More Interesting Thoughts About the Offense and Running the Ball

Submitted by Maizeblue11 on
During the Indiana game today, our three touchdown drives only had two total passing attempts. On drives that ended in a punt, we had 11 total passing attempts. In the past two games, our offense has been severely crippled by our passing attack, which is 26-55 for 256 yards and 3 interceptions. I thought after celebrating the win today, would our offense improve if we almost completely removed passing the football? Would running the ball more improve the passing game if it caused defenses to use more linebackers? For teams with subpar passing attacks (us), is a run-heavy offense the most effective strategy to win games? Do you think Harbaugh will be running the ball 50-60 times vs Penn State next week?

The Man Down T…

October 14th, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^

we had not had a very consistent anything.  The run game showed flashes last week but still not like today.  Yes, monsoon had something to do with that.  So this is a nice development.  He can run 50-60 times but as long as there's no real pass threat, the Penn State defense will just stack the line and shut it down.  We have to get some passes completed to show a threat and make them back off.  That's one heck of an order in a week.

YardDawgM22

October 15th, 2017 at 12:14 AM ^

Sure, would love to pound the rock 80% of the time, make the D stack 8 in the box...but that won't work against the big boys in PSU, OSU, Wisc, they will shut that shit down, especially against the young OL. Sad part is we are eff'd, as there is not much faith our qb can take advantage of blatantly obvious run D's...he would have 3 guys open, but his first read would be double covered and thats where he would throw it...jeeebus, how can the qb position be so bad?!!

MGoBlue96

October 15th, 2017 at 12:46 AM ^

when a QB doesn't trust his line, his isn't going to have the confidence to stand in the pocket and go through his reads. And even on plays said QB does have time he is not going to think that he does. Yes there a couple of pass plays here and there he could have made but at the end of the day you aren't going to get a decent to good passing game with an oline that can't protect and WR's who can't come up with any catches that aren't easy.

YardDawgM22

October 15th, 2017 at 12:50 AM ^

I agree to a point, but not all qb's are cut from the same cloth...imo, Okorn is cut from the loin area compared to other options. Watching him, I just have to ask "can it get much worse?". I reckon it can as he didnt throw any picks, but 58 yards against IU? Is that all really on the OL/WR's? Would/could a different qb be better in the same situation? The bar is very low right now at qb...plays are being left on the field, and I would wager Okorn would say so himself after he watches the film and see's all those opps to hit a wide open TE in the flat.

MGoBlue96

October 15th, 2017 at 1:02 AM ^

consists of trying to get TE/RB's open in the flat and nothing else, you got a problem that goes way beyond just the QB. When the WR's can't consistently get open, they don't come back to the QB in the scramble situations, they can't come up with anything beyond easy catches and you can't really trust your pass blocking to take shots downfield you are in trouble regardless of who is playing QB. 

MJ14

October 15th, 2017 at 8:10 AM ^

I mean live he had 3 or 4 balls that were catchable and one that was routine that were all dropped. There were also 4 or 5 that IU defended extremely well. IU has a good secondary. I'm not saying O'Korn is the best QB to walk through the door but he's also not getting much help.

bo_lives

October 15th, 2017 at 5:08 AM ^

It's not just a matter of not going past his number 1. It's a matter of simply making bad pre-snap reads. O'Korn never went past his 1 in the Purdue game but he still had good results because he was reading the defense well. Not so much with MSU and Indiana. Not sure if it was just luck but seems more and more like it was.

Goggles Paisano

October 15th, 2017 at 7:12 AM ^

Perhaps a disaster but also an opportunity to become a legend by taking down #2 on the road in your first start.  I really don't see the benefit any longer to keeping jok in the game.  He plays like a true freshman that didn't enroll early.  I just cannot fathom how Peters cannot give us a better chance to win that game.  I watch a lot of college football and always have - could jok start for Rutgers, Illinois, UNLV, etc..?   I'm not so sure.     

B1G Winning

October 15th, 2017 at 8:38 AM ^

And earlier in the season everyone we proclaiming "How could JOK be any worse than Speight? What reason is there to warrant not giving him a shot?" Come to find out, JOK is playing a lot worse than Speight. So now everyone is clamoring for Peters, who appears to be quite a bit behind both Speight and JOK. Not to mention that there are several very reputable sources claiming that Peters may actually be behind D-Caf as well. The backup QB really is the most popular guy on the team. Or in this case, the backup's backup's backup.

BigBlue02

October 15th, 2017 at 12:53 AM ^

Wow, I actually agree with you. Yuck, I feel dirty. I refuse to believe Peters would have had fewer than 58 yards passing tonight, so I don’t see the downside of starting a guy who possibly isn’t a worse option and will be on the team next year

Putt4Birdie

October 15th, 2017 at 9:09 AM ^

Someone other than O'korn plays? Throwing multiple pick sixes game after game? Been there, done that with our Friggin' #1. The new guy will be sad and loose his confidence and be ruined for his entire Michigan career? If O'korn is shitting the bed and can't run the Offense before the game is completely out of hand, give the next guy a shot, who knows we may see the next star being born. If it's a disaster, it means our QB development is subpar and we lose either way. You play to win the game.

jmblue

October 14th, 2017 at 11:53 PM ^

Against Purdue, O'Korn was 18-26 for 270 yards.  Looking back on it . . . where did that performance come from?  

Was that really his "Sheridan against Minnesota" moment and he can never replicate it?

jmblue

October 15th, 2017 at 12:33 AM ^

I thought his pass against Florida was going to be his his "Feagin against Minnesota" moment actually, but then came Purdue.

Incidentally, it turns out someone's put together a Feagin career highlight reel.  The entirely of his Michigan highlights are included:

 

SD Larry

October 14th, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^

we have a shot to win every game where we win or at least tie the turnover battle.  Was crazy how IU stacked the box in the second half today. We do need to pass for more yards than we did today to improve our chances of winning against better teams.

George Pickett

October 14th, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^

There's nothing more to say about the QB siuation.  It's terrible, it will cost Michigan at least 4 losses, and it won't get any better until next year.

JHumich

October 14th, 2017 at 11:56 PM ^

can play-action some go routes, some posts, some quick slants?

Run some screens?

Reverse?

Double reverse?

How can we possibly be in a situation where a running game like this isn't going to work against the #43 rushing defense?

There would be some delicious irony in Nordin being our top scorer next week, but that is not at all how I would like to win this...

michfn2

October 14th, 2017 at 11:58 PM ^

Was do to the fact IU runs a base 4-2-5 defense. Which is better equipped to deal with one-back spread offenses.

Mr. Yost

October 15th, 2017 at 12:05 AM ^

If I'm playing Michigan. I would play man on all WRs and send everyone else to the QB/RB.

I would make JOK complete at least 10 passes against 1v1 man coverage before I finally gave some help or went zone.

greg788

October 15th, 2017 at 12:14 AM ^

This is what Penn State is going to do. We are one dimensional. It's like a bad flashback to the Bo era. Only without the road grading factor, honestly. Play action with and without roll outs would help. O'Korn seems decent throwing on the run. His problem is that his play action sucks.