Missing Denard

Submitted by michiganman01 on

So now, Hoke is 20-4 with Denard and 12-11 without him as our QB. I remember back when it was senior day vs Iowa and a friend and I were talking about Denard. He said that 10-15 years from now Michigan fans will say "remember when we had Denard Robinson, that guy was special." Obviously we both expected to have better 2013 and 2014 seasons and therefore thought that Denard wouldnt be missed much. However, 2 years later, I already miss Denard.

alum96

September 21st, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

2011 also was the best OL of the bunch.  We see now much that changes a team now - Molk was a big difference.  And DRob actually had a RB to help take some blows away from him and keep defenses semi-honest.  Fitz was not the same guy after 2011.  Injury and worsening OL slowed him.

Truth be told we have not had a pocket passer since 2007 and have been fitting square pegs in round holes in 2008, 2012, 2013, and 2014.

Maize and Blue…

September 21st, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

Tate could sling it though he is not a proto typical pocket passer.  Those so called "Michigan men" Jansen, Brandy, and Dierdorf said we have not had a QB who could throw the ball since Henne.  Never even mentioned Tate claiming we've only had DRob and Gardner.  Were these guys so turned off by the RR hire that they didn't even watch Michigan football?

michfan6060returns

September 21st, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

He was great, but we won 0 big ten championships. I really miss Henne, Navarre, Henson, Brady, Griese, Grbac, Taylor, Harbaugh,Wangler, Franklin, etc

graybeaver

September 21st, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

Not only are we missing Denard, but Tom Brady, Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard, Mario Manningham, Jim Harbaugh, Rick Leach, Tyrone Wheatley, Jamie Morris, Chad Henne, John Jansen, Jake Long, Lloyd Carr, Bo Schembechler, Braylon Edwards, Tom Harmen, Gerald Ford, Fitz Crysler, David Tyrelle, Anthony Carter, Jason Avant, Steve Breaston, Remy Hamilton, Brian Griese, Drew Hensen, Mercury Hayes, Jarod Irons, Ian Gold, Marcus Ray, Tim Biakatuka, Todd Collins, Mike Gillette, and Mike Hart. There are many more I could include, but I'm getting tired. However, I appreciate you bringing up such a great point. We do miss Denard and he would be a perfect fit for this offense.

Bando Calrissian

September 21st, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

So let me get this straight. We've now come full-circle as the wheels fall off Hoke that we're getting selectively nostalgic and "what could have been?" about Rich Rodriguez?

I just don't understand this fanbase anymore.

Cope

September 21st, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^

But, aren't we? I can't say I haven't wondered what if about RR -- and I wanted him gone before others -- not because Hoke is bad, but because I'm realizing transitions are much more difficult and results take longer than I thought. I mean Hoke had four or five pitiful seasons at Ball State before it spiked. Do we really believe Hoke is an awful coach? Do we really believe RR was? At the time, yes. But now I'm thinking they're probably both good coaches. And need more time.

Polisci

September 21st, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^

The difference between RR and Hoke is that not one other BCS (at the time) conference team would have hired Hoke.  Now after Hoke is gone from here, not one power 5 conference team would hire Hoke.  RR would have been hired by just about any BCS team before we did and when we let him go, RR was still in demand by BCS schools. He's already turned around a bad Arizona program. 

Nobody in the country has ever thought Hoke was a good coach besides us.

Yeoman

September 21st, 2014 at 8:50 PM ^

He's already turned around a bad Arizona program.

The only thing that's changed is their scheduling; they've stopped playing the name-brand non-conference games like LSU and it's added an extra win each season. But schedule-adjusted i don't see any improvement.

End of season power ranking at Massey:

  • 1990: 42
  • 1991: 46
  • 1992: 14
  • 1993: 7
  • 1994: 25
  • 1995: 47
  • 1996: 35
  • 1997: 21
  • 1998: 20
  • 1999: 54
  • 2000: 22
  • 2001: 55 <- Mackovic replaces Tomey
  • 2002: 71
  • 2003: 90
  • 2004: 63 <- Stoops replaces Mackovic
  • 2005: 57
  • 2006: 36
  • 2007: 30
  • 2008: 22
  • 2009: 39
  • 2010: 26
  • 2011: 68
  • 2012: 38 <- Rodriguez replaces Stoops
  • 2013: 23
  • 2014 (so far): 38

They had that one bad year, but otherwise they're right where they've been for the last decade, in the second twenty. If anybody deserves credit for turning that program around, it's Stoops. (Well, actually it's Larry Smith or Jim Young but who wants to look back that far?)

Or maybe you could say, just as fairly, that it didn't matter who was in charge as long as it wasn't John Mackovic. This list is amazing in its consistency except for his tenure and the two years it took to dig out from the hole he left.

The thing that leaps out at me, looking at this, is that in 2000 the fans were pissed and the program panicked and forced Tomey out...and they haven't a season since that was better than that one, which at the time was so disappointing. Don't it always seem to go...

umchicago

September 21st, 2014 at 5:56 PM ^

until the miss st bowl game.  to crap the bed again after a month to prepare was unacceptable.  the team was now lost on and off the field.  a change had to be made.  RR rolled the dice with his bad D coaches and lost.  unfortunately, hoke has done the same with Funk.  and he is going to pay for it with his job.

Bobby Boucher

September 21st, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

I wasn't just his playmaking ability, it was his attitude.  He had such a positive attitude that lit up the sideline.  This team really could use a leader like that right now!

MGomaha

September 21st, 2014 at 1:33 PM ^

So motherfuckers ITT are taking wins against Ohio State for granted because they weren't "as good."

FFS this fanbase can go full fucking retard. You think OSU fans think less of wins against 3-9, 5-7, 7-6, 8-5, and 7-6 Michigan teams? Because you've been living under a rock if you think that's the case.

ann.arbor.lover

September 21st, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

When Denard scored his first rushing touchdown in the 2011 OSU game, I cheered 120% as loud as I could from Row 30 of the student section. That was a warm, bright and breezy day.

Fast forward to now. I have graduated, and time is a cruel bitch.

johnvand

September 21st, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^

Your numbers are off.  Hoke has coached 43 games, and yours add up to 47.

16-4 with Denard as a starting QB (if you subtract the Nebraska game of elbow death).  

0-1 in games where Denard's elbow explodes.

12-10 since Devin became the starting QB.

 

Denard bailed out this cavemanball shit, repeatedly.  Attempting to turn the #1 dual threat QB in the 2010 recruiting class into a pro-style passer is about one of the stupidest things I've seen.

umchicago

September 21st, 2014 at 5:47 PM ^

bring back the arm punt.  actually, i'm serious.  max protect and arm punt a lot more.  if you're going to commit a TO, it may as well be a 40 yd TO.  plus, with a guy like funchess, he can make a play and or get an interference call which can immediately get you into scoring position.

the D can keep you into games but the O and special teams keep accounting for too many negative points.

I dumped the Dope

September 21st, 2014 at 6:20 PM ^

We are missing these at present.

Henne & T. Brady, guys who played in NFL.

I have to go back a ways to find an NFL RB from Michigan.

Denard, while absolutely mind boggling in college FB and a stellar young man, is neither a NFL QB or RB (athough he plays you know what I mean).

Get some guys of this caliber on O, keep the D going as is (I can see the NFLers there, Jake Ryan for one, Bolden possibly, Peppers, Mone) and we are going to be great.  I don't think you need both at the same time, either one or the other can suffice.

D. Green I believe can get there but he's not there yet.  While I love the fact guys pretty much can't hit him hard enough to hurt him, I don't see a slashing style of running yet.

Gardner, I don't think fits the bill as a future NFL QB, for the one reason he struggles to fit the ball into tight windows or loose windows.  I think its his throwing mechanics.  He should get a baseball glove on and play long toss with a baseball for a half hour every day until the motion to throw a long ball is ingrained in his muscle memory.  A short ball takes the same motion just with less power. 

The other thought I have is that possibly Nussmeier is overloaded, similar to the way I thought Hoke was overloaded last year trying to be a DL coach and a HC at the same tiime.  I think the DL has taken a step forward.  But if Nuss is trying to mentor 3 new QBs AND develop his new (to Michigan) offense on an entire set of RB/WR/TE/OL there might not be enough hours in the day.