BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^

Benny himself said that no matter who he was committed to he wouldn’t sign until February. He said he didn’t want to sign because he isn’t healthy right now. I guess he was in a car accident back in August or September and missed almost the entire season. Still working through some things I guess. That’s his reasoning. The whole not wanting to sign until healthy comes off as weird to me but whatever. 

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^

That’s what Benny said. Like I said, take it for what it is worth. If I was the coaching staff I would move on. Too many people within the recruiting world, besides our own, are saying he is 100% to Sparty. And they didn’t get that conclusion talking to him...he told them that. Anyone who followed his recruitment new he was not signing in December. I think we made something out of nothing because he didn’t sign. That’s my opinion. 

MS3

December 19th, 2020 at 12:48 PM ^

If he was “all-Spartans”, then he would’ve signed Wednesday. Not saying we’ll flip him, but there may be some doubt in his mind.

OSUMC Wolverine

December 19th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^

And would you say anything else if you hadnt firmly made up your mind to not go to MSU? Kid may just have a good head on his shoulders and knows not to say the wrong thing at the moment

bronxblue

December 19th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^

Yeah, considering he had a chance to be "all Spartan" this week and decided against, my guess is he's not quite sold.  He may well wind up at MSU but the fact he isn't yet means it's not a given.

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^

I disagree with this. If you have followed his recruitment, before he was even committed to MSU he said he isn’t signing until February. Why people are acting like this is a shock and we have a chance is beyond me. Supposedly he talks to a lot of programs out of respect. He also reminds them that he is committed to MSU. He also said two days ago there is a 0% chance he flips to UM because he has family at MSU. Just because he responds to our coaches doesn’t mean he is looking to flip. According to recruiting insiders he responds to everyone who contacts him because that is his personality. Take it for what it is worth.

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^

How am I sticking up for MSU? Because I don’t think he is going to flip? Based on what a lot of insiders are saying outside of our own? Okay. Just being realistic with this Benny situation. Especially since he said before he committed anywhere he wouldn’t be signing in the early signing period. If he didn’t say that a while ago, there would be red flags everywhere of a great potential flip. 

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^

Whatever you say man. Trying to be leveled headed and not drinking blue kool aid makes me a troll. I despise Sparty. However I’m not going to sit here and pretend our program is superior to theirs when we looked embarrassing this season. I am on the fire Harbaugh bandwagon. Completely start over with new blood and put the “Michigan Man” requirement for the head coach to bed. If I was a Sparty I would be defending Harbaugh hoping he is retained. A new coach for Michigan with a new kind of energy around the program could really derail Sparty and Tucker. It would make it even harder for him to recruit Michigan. 

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^

I have a lot of friends who went to MSU. We exchange things we hear between boards. We enjoy friendly banter and we talk about what each side is hearing. So because I have MSU friends I am a Sparty? And when the numbers came out that 9 athletes in the entire athletic department were Covid positive ticked me off. OSU just played without 22 football players today. I am sorry, but I got the vibe that we chickened out of that game. I understand contact tracing etc... so spare me the lecture on that. When UM is down 40+ guys and they include injuries in that number...come on now. Every team was down people this season due to Covid and your typical injuries. I was embarrassed when those numbers came out. 9 positives...just added fuel to the fire for the media. 

bronxblue

December 19th, 2020 at 4:50 PM ^

That may all be true, but apparently he was also a UM lean for long time, then flipped right after the MSU game after talking up about how they would be good for his brand, but then didn't commit.  I don't think he's going to UM but apparently other insiders are saying UM is back in it, so perhaps he's just being nice to everyone and hasn't made up his mind.  

I guess the car accident and the weird football season could have messed with his timing, but even in the article talking about why he is waiting they bring up another MSU kid who said he's definitely waiting and is committed to MSU...and then flipped to ND.  So it's not unreasonable to wonder just how firm this commitment is the longer it goes in.  Again, wish the kid luck wherever he goes but until someone signs it's not above reason to question if they are still going where they committed

 https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2020/12/13/michigan-state-football-rayshaun-oak-park-spartans-recruiting/6528163002/

BluethroughNthrough

December 19th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^

I don’t disagree at all. But how many times does he have to say he is not flipping to UM until people believe it? He said two days ago there is a 0% chance he flips to UM. Then today Farrel said he told him he is 100% to Sparty and not flipping. I bet if Clemson or Alabama come knocking on the door he will flip however. Maybe even OSU. I just don’t see him flipping to UM. And yes I know recruits say a lot of things all the time and then they go back on it. This doesn’t seem like that type of scenario though. I have to believe the coaching staff has been in his ear non-stop for a long time. If he was going to flip I think he would have already. Who knows though.

JonnyHintz

December 20th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^

Who says he won’t have a relationship with the new staff? You said yourself, he talks to anyone that calls him. What if Michigan’s new staff includes people that recruited Benny to another school? So he knows them and had a relationship with them? Michigan hypothetically goes and gets Marcus Freeman from Cincy. Cincy offered him and Benny loved Freeman, just wanted to go to a bigger school. Now the coach he loved is at Michigan. That’s a boost to Michigan. 
 

He also has until February to establish that new relationship. Kids flip to new staffs EVERY year. And if Benny was 100% sold to MSU, then he would have signed. Period. There is absolutely zero benefit to waiting until February unless you’re open to other offers. If he was entirely certain he wanted to be a Spartan, his name would be on that dotted line. Which means to some degree, he’s having doubts. 

NateVolk

December 19th, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^

I think the decline came later. And even when it happened, it was a slow decline. With continued brilliance now and again even during the slow decline. By the end, the show lost a step but it had many steps to lose.

I agree the show absolutely changed when Wayne Rogers and Mac left.

Their replacements necessitated a different tone to meld them in. The moralism become a lot more direct and less subtle. 

Almost two different shows in many ways. I'll admit when I see Wayne Rogers on the opening credits, I look forward to it more than when it's Mike Farrell. 

mfan_in_ohio

December 19th, 2020 at 2:50 PM ^

I don’t know if it was necessarily “in decline” at the end of season 3, but Trapper’s character was never really explored the way some of the others were. He was just a goofball the whole time. I think Frank and Margaret became better characters when they split up, because they were actual characters instead of caricatures. BJ got to play the Everyman role as the family guy dropped into debauched insanity and trying to stay normal. Hawkeye was a better character when he had Winchester as a competitor both in the tent and in the OR. Even Radar and Klinger saw significant development in their roles.  The departure of Henry and Trapper (particularly Henry’s death) was really when the show grew beyond the movie.

NateVolk

December 20th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^

It would have been interesting to see how long the show could have kept going if the core original cast (Blake and McIntyre) had remained. I bet less than 11 seasons. Hard to really say.

You make a great point. The cast changes that took place, for whatever reason they happened, seemed to add versatility to the tone and story lines.

There were a good number of duds over those last 8 years. Also some all time classics. But it was 8 years. That up and down batting average is going to be happening for any show over that length of time.

Even the duds were quality. 

I didn't like "Dreams" though. Still can't get into it.

mickblue

December 19th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^

If he is fragile enough to flip over the results of one game, then the hell with him. His attitude reeks of quitting mentality and we don’t need him.