Ajcoss

December 4th, 2017 at 8:42 PM ^

Better figure it out. Need a change. 3 lackluster games from your "starting 4" group (excluding Brooks). Livers and Poole better play more Saturday. Just ridiculous everyone on this board sees it and the clown on the sideline plays this group. Ride the hot hand. Your 2nd unit took the lead and got you back in rhythm , but your starting 4 let us all down again.

Serious question to number guys. What do you think Poole, Livers, and Brooks + - numbers are? Poole's Gotta be best on the team.

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DonBrownSoda

December 4th, 2017 at 8:42 PM ^

Duncan Robinson is worth the horrible defense when he is scoring. Otherwise you might as well play 5 on 4. I’d play Poole at the 3 and Mathews at the 4. At least CM would match up better against a big

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jsquigg

December 4th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^

So, Jordan Poole and Livers and Watson bring energy at least.  Wagner was God awful.  I don't see him in the NBA to be frank.  His shot isn't consistent enough and his decision making in the second half was terrible.  Duncan Robinson is a waste of floor space when he can't hit threes.  He's a defensive liability.  Matthews simply got worked tonight for whatever reason.  I know it's not analytic analysis, but the Buckeyes just wanted it more in the second half.  Michigan got its lead, but after a 5 point play (which was complete bullshit), Michigan thought it could coast.  I know everyone will want to pile on Beilein, but you've got to play your starters down the stretch.  If Matthews, Robinson and Wagner play like that we're screwed anyway.  Terrible.....

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San Diego Mick

December 4th, 2017 at 8:43 PM ^

is our Tum Tum Nairns, sigh

 

Coach really makes questionable subbing decisions, I have great respect for him and his ability to get the team right but his teams can be so frustrating to watch, I just wish he would change his ways in some regards.

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Perkis-Size Me

December 4th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^

I don’t know what it is, I don’t know what this school did to piss off the sporting gods, but Michigan just can’t beat OSU in anything. To blow a 20 point lead to anyone is bad enough, but to do it to a bad OSU team, a week after your football team blew a 14 point lead to them, is the definition of soul crushing.

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J.

December 4th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^

Considering that Michigan’s freshmen didn’t know where to go on defense — MAAR actually shoved Poole to guard the ball handler at one point — maybe Beilein can identify his best players better than the fans. Also — this team is playing a ridiculously compressed schedule due to a combination of the FOX contract and Jim Delany’s desire to play at MSG. It’s possible that he put the players on the floor with the most gas left in the tank. But, no, yeah, he’s probably just a moron who’s been stealing paychecks for his ~40 year career. ADs sure are stupid.

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umchicago

December 4th, 2017 at 8:54 PM ^

it's JBs fault that 6-7 shots were missed at the rim by guys who have been finishing there all year.  also, JBs fault that they shot like 1-12 from 3 in the second half.  they had plenty of good looks, but the shots didn't fall.

that said, something has to be done to get robinson's minutes down.  he can't even hit a open 3 anymore.

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Ajcoss

December 4th, 2017 at 8:54 PM ^

Just cause you question a staff/head coach's decision doesn't mean you're better than him. Just like football, pretty much all of us saw that JOK in football couldn't be ahead of Peters. After playing, I think it was clear Harbaugh made a mistake. Doesn't mean we are saying coach Jim is dumb and should be fired.

Same here with Coach B, he clearly is stubborn in making changes to what he thought it would be at beginning of year. I like Beilein & Harbaugh, BUT dudes are way too stubborn!!

Hopeful with 3-4 practices the next few days he gets to see how some guys deserve more minutes and others WAY less.

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J.

December 4th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^

Yes, people can be wrong, but you’re making a ton of implicit assumptions. It’s not clear to me at all that Peters was better than O’Korn at the time O’Korn was playing. By the Wisconsin game, yes. But Peters was much, much better against Wisconsin than he was against Rutgers. It’s not unreasonable to think that he improved significantly between Purdue and Rutgers as well. Same with Coach Beilein. To me, he doesn’t seem stubborn at all — he’s rolled out a dizzying array of lineups. He’s started freshmen; he’s started upperclassmen. Believe me, he wanted to win the game as much as we wanted him to win. He doesn’t exactly seem to be an egomaniac. I’m confident he made the best decisions he could based upon his experience and the information available to him. Not all of that information was available to me while watching.

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Ajcoss

December 4th, 2017 at 9:14 PM ^

Peters wasn't clearly better in Rutgers? JOK did nothing, peters comes in and scores a TD 3 straight possessions. He was really good against Rutgers for a guy never playing in a game before.

Not saying coach B didn't want to win. Just don't see your argument for why he didn't think the guys off the bench gave them the best chance to win. What I love about basketball is it can be pretty black and white. If certain guys, when on the floor, are consistently winning the +/- game, something tells me I need to play them more. When you watch the game tonight, when tied at 5-6 minutes. It's easy to see your starters have played like garbage most the game, and especially last 5 of 1st and all of 2nd half.

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J.

December 4th, 2017 at 9:23 PM ^

Peters was better than O’Korn in Rutgers, but not that much; he wasn’t really asked to do much. O’Korn was better than Speight against Purdue, and look how that went. Beilein has access to +/- numbers, and he uses them (I’ve heard him mention those, and other advanced stats). He put the lineup on the floor that he thought had the best chance of winning. Nobody was in foul trouble, so he either thought that the players were the best he had, or he thought his other players were too tired to contribute. Or — he was willing to trade a possible loss in this game for legs in March. I really don’t know his reasoning. I’m just willing to admit what I don’t know — and I don’t know all of the information that went into Coach Beilein’s decision tonight. And I’m not ready to criticize him for personnel management because of that.

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Bluenin

December 4th, 2017 at 8:47 PM ^

One of those Selection Sunday horrible losses! When you play a shitty team like OSU and you have a 20 point lead on the road you gotta put the knife in the heart!

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Maize and Luke

December 4th, 2017 at 8:53 PM ^

The only person that remembers this team lost 3 starters from last year? Arguably their top three defensive players? A premium point guard that we may not see the likes of for another 20 years at UM? The 17th overall pick in the draft? Fucking chill out people.

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uncle leo

December 4th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^

But you don't blow a 20 point lead to an inferior opponent, period.

That may be your "big picture" thing, but don't use that as some excuse as to why they lost this specific game. This was a pathetic, piss-poor implosion.

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Bluenin

December 4th, 2017 at 9:01 PM ^

This was a terrible loss, to our rival, who is not good, on the road! Just an f’ing terrible night! When you have a golden opportunity for a road win in the BIG, you can’t piss that away!! I can live with a road loss to UNC, but you can’t lose to a shitty OSU team!

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Maize and Luke

December 4th, 2017 at 9:11 PM ^

Missed the memo, real clever. You're the guy at the office who uses that little quip a least three times a week.
I didn't say it was an excuse for losing this game. My comments were directed to the JB haters and everyone throwing in the towel already. Chill out.
They got punched in the mouth at on the road and mentally folded. How do you coach kids not to get rattled? You can't. The osu defense was ten times more intense in the second half and they couldn't miss a shot.

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Ajcoss

December 4th, 2017 at 9:07 PM ^

I think most on this board are upset because Coach B is riding players who simply struggled big time tonight. Your young guys (mainly Poole/Livers/even Teske) played better than Robinson/Matthews/Mo. they got the lead and took back the game. Starters blew it. If they had nobody doing anything and getting dominated, your post would have value. Not playing the best group to help you win. That is on coach B and reason people here are pissed and should be. Gave game away due to playing time.

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Ajcoss

December 4th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^

This is why I am not saying Coach B just starts and plays the freshman 35 minutes. Think he needs the first 30 minutes to be a rotation of below and each night ride the hot hand. Good thing about this team = lots of options and deep. Bad thing is nobody is great and they don't have that guy to stop a run. This means you play all and ride a hot hand each night. Below are minutes first 30 before you run hot hand.

Brooks 20/Z 10
Maar 25/ Poole 5
Matthews 20/ Poole 10
Robinson 15/ Livers 15
Mo 20 / Teske 10

Last 8-10 you ride the best guys. Clearly tonight was Brooks, Maar, Poole, Livers, Teske.

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CarlosSpicyweiner21

December 4th, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^

This game is why I watch less and less College BB each year. I don’t understand how officials can call 2 completely different half’s. The loss is because Michigan had to stop dribble driving. OSU used hand check and bumps on every drive and the officials let them. Also called a ton of soft fouls against UM.

Knew it was a bad omen when TV Ted high fives Dakich

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Lampuki22

December 4th, 2017 at 9:45 PM ^

Typical Beilein early season game. Turns into hot garage.

I know people love JB. I get it. He’s a great guy and coach. But these games are hard to watch and I tend to just wait for the implosion like a train wreck you know is about to happen. Every game and then if it doesn’t people exaggerate about how good we are.

Officials. Ethics Committee. Pitssnoggle. Subsz. Yada yada . Same crap different year.

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Michrider41

December 4th, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^

Robinson drives for a layup and gets it blocked...Wagner grabs the rebound and gets blocked too! Can anyone on this team get the ball around the basket and dunk it?

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