Michigan St fans doing #BoycottTheHeisman. But why?
As most here already know, there's lots of complaints from Michigan St fans over Aidan Hutchinson being a Heisman finalist but not Kenneth Walker lll.
Here's a link to a list of tweets to that effect:
https://sports.yahoo.com/look-michigan-state-football-fans-011919553.html?guccounter=1
A link to Spartan 247 message board complaints:
So a step beyond the complaints is a movement to "#BoycottTheHeisman".
At the link is a bunch of tweets for the boycott. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BoycottTheHeisman&src=typeahead_click&f=top
But really, is there a case for Kenneth Walker lll to be a finalist? He came out blazing at the start of the season. But faded toward the end of the season. Heisman candidates should finish strong, shouldn't they?
So what is all the complaining from Michigan St fans all about? Because it looks like this:
December 6th, 2021 at 10:21 PM ^
That’s the equivalent of the unpopular kid saying they aren’t going to the party to which they weren’t invited
December 6th, 2021 at 11:02 PM ^
Which is exactly the same as saying you wouldn’t go to school in Ann Arbor even if you got in.
December 7th, 2021 at 8:19 AM ^
Or a kid saying he's boycotting a party his older brother was invited to but he wasn't
December 6th, 2021 at 10:21 PM ^
You aren’t the best player in college football if your team got they ass whipped by Purdue. Quiet now, Sparty, the Adults are talking.
Dude rushed for:
- 3.2 ypc vs Nebraska in a 23-20 game. Nebraska won 3 games this year.
- 3.7 ypc vs Indiana a 20-15 game. Indiana won 2 games this year.
- Total of 25 yards vs OSU
He also failed to crack 100 yards in 4 of their 12 games this year. He’s good, but he ain’t that good.
Relax.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:42 PM ^
To piggyback off of this can somebody explain what the fuck this was...
- Only 7 rush attempts for 57 yards and a TD vs. Youngstown State when they had their starters still playing going into the 4th quarter. This was literally one week after steamrolling Northwestern with 23 attempts for 264 yards (11.5 ypc) and 4 TDs.
December 7th, 2021 at 8:53 AM ^
By typical Heisman criteria, I think Walker pretty clearly deserves to be there. He had a very good statistical year at a skill position, he had a monster game in his team's biggest game, and the difference between him and his backup showed just how much of his performance was on him vs. his team. Any reasonably good qb could have done what Stroud and Young did with the talent around them.
He probably couldn't win because of the Ohio State game, but at the same time it wasn't his decision to abandon the run. I have to expect a better outcome for him and the team if they had kept with the running game.
December 7th, 2021 at 9:53 AM ^
Last running back to win was Derrick Henry (2015) With 2219 yards, 28 TDs for Alabama who finished 14-1 with a national championship.
Walker has 1646 yards, 18 TDs so far, his team finished 3rd in their division, and they are playing Pitt in a bowl game. Good season, not Heisman worthy.
December 7th, 2021 at 3:02 PM ^
Derrick Henry was running behind a powerhouse offensive line. MSU was not good. Sparty fans are trash, but that kid is a baller who beat us almost single handedly. If he played for a real program, he would be in NY.
December 7th, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^
If we are going solely by stats and how the team did, why wouldn’t CMU fans be pissed their RB didn’t make the cut? CMU actually placed higher in their division than MSU (they were 2nd, MSU was 3rd), he had more total yards, nearly as many TDs, and was a better back receiving out of the backfield. Walker arguably wasn’t the best back in the state let alone the nation
December 7th, 2021 at 9:22 AM ^
Exactly. He isnt even Leveon Bell good. 2012 Leveon Bell had 1783 yards, 12 TDs and 32 receptions.
December 7th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^
@neverpunt
I disagree with your first statement. You can certainly be one of the best players in college football despite losing a game to a "bad team"
Or if your team is not a conference champ.
Heck your team can be awful and that shouldn't be a major consideration
Your stats speak more
Especially when compared to Hassan.
Also not surprising to see a fan base advocating for their player even if they are not being logical
December 7th, 2021 at 4:23 PM ^
Big Time player perform in big time games. If you compare Haskins in MSU and OSU tilts and Walker in UM and OSU tilts, Haskins outrushes him with the same number of touchdowns. Like every Sparty debate, they cherry pick dates, timelines, stats, etc. then whine when its exposed.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:21 PM ^
Cheaters never prosper. Everyone knows they're a joke.
All of what Michigan has going now, was in grasp for State... and they got blown out twice and Walker disappeared. He's not even the best at his position, let alone the best player in the country.
December 7th, 2021 at 7:56 AM ^
Walker’s not the best at his position in Michigan!
December 7th, 2021 at 9:12 AM ^
Haskins aside, Lew Nichols at CMU led the nation in rushing (not Walker).
December 7th, 2021 at 4:11 PM ^
Walker almost single handedly beat us, so I don't get the cheap shots. Fu$k Sparty, but nothing but props to Walker for the way he put a marginal team on his shoulders and carried them to 10 wins.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:22 PM ^
I can understand it. He'd have been my pick before they played Ohio State, and he'd be number 2 or 3 now. I think it's a big oversight not to have him there.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:27 PM ^
But is he really one of the 4 best players in college football?
December 7th, 2021 at 12:12 AM ^
Is CJ Stroud one of the four best players on Ohio State?
December 7th, 2021 at 5:36 AM ^
If they wanted the 4 best players then maybe they should have the center from Iowa. I don't have a problem with Walker not being there. He faded at the end of the season. His true colors came out. I'm figuring Young is going to win. But really, is he the best player in the Nation? If he didn't play at Alabama would he even be a finalist? How do you really get the 4 best players there? It's too much to sort it all out. At least Desmond Ridder isn't there.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:45 PM ^
I agree -- and get no schadenfreude from him being left out. That team was basically New Mexico St without him, as the OSU game proved
That said, this salty sparty reaction is embarrassing, even for them
December 6th, 2021 at 10:46 PM ^
So who loses their spot? Is he better then Hutchinson?
December 7th, 2021 at 8:53 AM ^
Considering Hutchinson is about to be drafted in the top 5 in the next NFL draft, I'd say no.
December 7th, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
I'm not saying he's better than Hutchinson, but the NFLs lack of value for the running back position shouldn't have any affect on how you're viewed as a college player. If a RB is truly the best player in college football then give them the award. NFL teams will stick pick lineman and quarterbacks ahead of them.
December 7th, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^
If I’m starting a team I’m picking Hutchinson well before Ken Walker.
December 7th, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
Yikes, don’t use draft order as a projection of who the better college players are. That’s just horrendous practice
December 6th, 2021 at 11:30 PM ^
They only invite four now, so harder to get invited to the ceremony.
Jonathan Taylor finished 5th in voting in 2019, and as great as Kenneth Walker's season was, it doesn't quite hold a candle to Jonathan Taylor's 2019 campaign (which, in other eerie similarities, saw him 5th behind 3 QBs and a DE (Young).
FWIW, Hutchinson is closer to 2019 Chase Young than Kenneth Walker is to 2019 Jonathan Taylor, IMO.
December 7th, 2021 at 12:18 AM ^
My only thing to that would be it's difficult to compare something like a Heisman one year to another year. Different contenders, different circumstances, different teams. Nobody on this list would have made it in Burrow's year most likely.
December 7th, 2021 at 2:13 AM ^
49-0 at halftime can ruin anyone's perception of a pretty good season overall. Hail to Pitt!
December 7th, 2021 at 8:59 AM ^
Breece Hall deserves an invite before Walker. Led the nation in scoring, all purpose yards, rushing TDs, 6th in rushing yards. Led the nation in rushing in 2020.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:24 PM ^
Can't boycott something you weren't invited to in the first place.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:31 PM ^
Ahkshually, they’ve been boycotting the Heisman since 1936
December 6th, 2021 at 10:31 PM ^
I boycott presidential inaugurations, the Olympics, and Hollywood premiers all the time. Because if I went, I’d be arrested for trespassing.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:41 PM ^
I boycott every girl that ever shot me down. Unless they change their mind of course.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:24 PM ^
They'll try, but Nissan's fit the budget so perfectly when you got pizza's to deliver
December 6th, 2021 at 10:53 PM ^
True dat....
December 6th, 2021 at 10:26 PM ^
So, we shut up Sparty, but now we have to worry about what they're saying to each other?
Deal around me.
December 7th, 2021 at 7:48 AM ^
We don’t worry about it. We revel in it. Deal me in!
December 7th, 2021 at 2:12 PM ^
I'm not so sure we shut them up. I mean, the final score showed in their favor.
We kind of went around them.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:26 PM ^
Did they boycott the OSU game too?
December 6th, 2021 at 10:28 PM ^
MSU only cares about Michigan. OSU could embarrass them and they do not care.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:31 PM ^
Can you really embarrass them when they have no shame?
December 6th, 2021 at 10:59 PM ^
Hey Sparty
December 6th, 2021 at 11:03 PM ^
KW3 had a ton of Heisman moments in the 1st half against OSU. LOL, they so easily forget facts.
December 7th, 2021 at 7:40 AM ^
OSU could embarrass them
You say this hypothetically for some reason.
I had to have a peek at the RCMB after the B1G championship game. It did not disappoint. 1300 posts on a game-day thread for a game they weren't even playing in.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:30 PM ^
Love the guy who claims MSU has "one of the biggest brands in the world."
How often do you see MSU gear outside of Michigan/the Midwest?
Never.
December 6th, 2021 at 10:55 PM ^
LOL!!! Best comment of the thread. Just curious which "World" is he referring to? Is it the one where the world is flat?
December 7th, 2021 at 3:12 AM ^
i live in tokyo japan. as you can imagine, its pretty rare to see college gear here of any kind. occasionally you will see notre dame, sometimes michigan or ucla / berkley gear that is sold in second hand shops and picked up by japanese hipsters. they almost always choose this gear for the color combinations rather than any sort of affinity (or even awareness) of the underlying school. i've stopped a few of these hipsters before when ive spotted them in michigan gear and they always look at me like im nuts and have no idea what to do/say when i start yelling 'go blue' at them. ive stopped doing that.
anyway, the day of the michigan msu game i was engaging in my usual pre-game routine listening to podcasts and reading about the game in the comfort of my apartment. the noon games start at 1am or 2am sunday morning here (depending on daylight savings) so there is quite a bit of day to kill before the actual game. after about three hours of winding myself up via mgopodcast, sam webb and the victors board, i was getting too stressed out and decided to take a walk over to the new olympic stadium to get my mind off the game looming later that day. my apartment is in the middle of town (near shibuya for those who know tokyo), but its on a quiet street off of a main thoroughfare. its primarily residential and there is little foot traffic. its pretty rare to see more than one or two people on that street at a time and i cant remember ever seeing anyone in recognizable college gear on my street in the nearly two years ive lived at this address. however, as i stepped out of my apartment's front entrance the day of top-5 match-up, the first person i see is a young japanese man wearing a white and green msu crewneck sweatshirt right in front of my apartment. perhaps it would have been forgivable or gone unnoticed if he had just been walking or otherwise out of my eye shot, but no, he was stopped right in front of my apartment adjusting his baby who he was pushing around in his stroller, and was positioned such that he was all but presenting the monogram 'michigan state' on his sweatshirt towards my direction. it was as if he had been specifically placed there by the michigan-hating football gods to exert maximum psychic damage on my BPONE'd soul. he did not look like an msu grad (he had a dignified air and relatable disposition) and i suspect if i asked him about the shirt he would have no idea about its significance (see above). instead i just scowled at him for this most improbable, absurd slight (of which he was entirely oblivious).
i had a pit in my stomach walking around after that and kept thinking back on the chances of that happening and how so much had to go 'right' for our paths to cross at that critical moment ahead of the the game. had he (or i) been a few minutes late/early, or if he had taken a different street, or just chosen a different sweatshirt that day, maybe my confidence wouldn't have been shook and maybe just maybe jj doesnt fumble the snap or maybe sparty bob doesn't takeover the replay booth. i ponder that sequence often when thinking back on the msu game - where everything that had to go perfectly right for MSU to win ultimately did, and am in awe of the universe's cruel sense of humor.
i went on high alert after that and ahead of the osu game i opted not to go outside at all and holed up inside all day out of fear of running into some scarlet and grey on the tokyo streets. it paid off.
December 7th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
Thank you for your efforts and dedication! It did indeed pay off.