Michigan - Penn State: Open Thread
Michigan opens the Big Ten Tournament with Penn State, in a must win game for the 5th week in a row. Winner plays Wisconsin tomorrow. The game is on BTN.
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Farewell, Red!
What a debacle. Even if this team does backdoor their win into the tournament, they don't deserve it one bit.
They're embarrassing this program out there. Michigan now has a losing record to a team that has been around two years.
Unfortunately the time has come to have Red retire. I just hope he realizes it and does the right thing, instead of the athletic department forcing the issue.
Just let Penn St continue to beat us and not make the tournament. Let's face it, this hockey program has taken a major step back in the last 3 years, and not even making the tournament in the last two. He's a legend and no one is dismissing that...but the time has come for him to hang it up. If you can't see that, then I can't help you.
This board sounds exactly like the Minny fans on uscho.com when Minny was completely terrible for five straight seasons from 2007-12. Don Lucia was completely toxic.
Okay? What is your point? 2011 is not now. We've since lost in the first round of the tournament one and twice not made the tournament at all.
March 20th, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
What players are you talking about? The OHL hasn't come anywhere near us in the last 5 years.
We lost Gibson and Cambell and got 2 and a half years of Shawn Hunwick instead.
Connor Carrick played 1 year in Plymouth. Cianfrone couldn't compete in the USHL and Milne couldn't get off our bench. Walsh wouldn't have came until next year.
We have a top-5 recruiting class coming in next year. We have a top-5 recruting class coming in 2015. All 3 of our 2016 recruits are at the NTDP camp.
What other recruits are they taking from us?
and it's another pointer about how variable college hockey recruiting can be with it starting so early on
Cianfrone was reputed to be 'top 10 overall pick in the OHL' levels of good when he committed. I think we Luke Moffatt committed he was supposed to be the best player in the world at his age. Heck, I think Tristin Llewellyn was supposed to be one of the top players in the world in his age group when he committed
A lot of variability in getting committments from 14-15 yr olds and then seeing what happens in the next 4-5 years before they ever skate with you
He dominated AAA, played average in the OJHL and poorly in the USHL. At 5'8, 160 he couldn't handle playing against bigger players so they asked him to reclassify.
I wouldn't even give the OHL credit for taking him, Michigan pretty much asked him to go.
Give me a break. People were saying the same thing about Lloyd. Want to know why? Losing to OSU 4 times in a row, losing to Appalachain St and Oregon at home? What are we supposed to do? Just wait it out with Red like Joe PA and Penn State? Penn State has won the B1G twice in the last 20 years. Before that they were winning 10 games every year. It's not being ungrateful if you have a streak of noticeably bad seasons and feel that the coach's time is probably up.
I think we will be the first or second team out. To have any chance we have to hope that there are no upset champions in conference tournaments and hope for someone else's bubble to burst. There really only are 15 spots because no one from Atlantic Hockey is top 16 in PWR.
A number 4 seed might be for the better. Michigan Hockey does its best when you expect nothing.
Time to get ready for basketball. I guess I don't have to leave work early tomorrow.
I feel bad for the guy who's going to the tournament for the weekend and hasn't gotten there yet. Need to root for Bucky.
We may have done a posbang for beating one of the worst teams in college hockey to most likely make the NCAA tournament. Do you realize how far this program has fallen?
Doesn't change anything. Red is a legend, but the time has come to move on. Time to accept that.
Man look at you with all your access!
Keep patting yourself on the back, you going to a bunch of board meetings at Colonial Lanes doesn't change the diminishing product on the ice.
We should count ourselves lucky we have the Dekers Club to lock themselves inside Yost and go "LALALA EVERYTHING IS FINE"
And you do?
I'm sorry, I appreciate what the Dekers do, but if you think you have any voice whatsoever in what Dave Brandon or Red Berenson decides about this program, you're delusional.
But, hey, brag about your access some more. Haven't gotten enough of that this season.
March 20th, 2014 at 11:02 PM ^
You make it personal by saying "look at me and my access."
Really, none of us have any voice in decisions about where this program is going to go. Dekers or not. You're using your position in Dekers as a bullying stick to shut down people trying to reasonably argue with you. If you don't want to get called on that, don't bring it up.
but we're clearly on a consistent downhill path right now. We just 2-3 against PSU
March 20th, 2014 at 10:25 PM ^
As much as Bando and I dislike one another, he said something once like "go back and look at the finishes of the teams since the 1997-98 NCAA Championship season and tell me you aren't depressed".
I did. I was depressed.
Since the Porter-Kolarik year of 2007-08, look at this disaster.
- 2008-09: 2nd in the CCHA, lost in CCHA Playoff final, lost in NCAA first round as a 1 seed to AIR FORCE
- 2009-10: Meandered through the regular season with a 7th place finish, team showed a pulse and won CCHA Playoffs to lose 3-3 in 2010 NCAA Regional Final (still bitter about that one).
- 2010-11: CCHA Champions, NCAA Runner-Up. Whoopie, one great season.
- 2011-12: Meandered through the regular season until the team woke up in columbus. 2nd place in the CCHA, lost in CCHA Playoff final, lost in NCAA first round as a 1 seed to CORNELL
- 2012-13: Meandered through the regular season with a 7th place finish, team showed a pulse but lost in the CCHA Playoff final, thus, breaking a 22 year long NCAA Tournament streak.
- 2013-14: Strong start, horrific finish. Inconsistent. Lost to a second year program not once, not twice, but three times. That is absolutely humiliating.
March 20th, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^
Time out. I have pointed out numerous times that we never even got close to what we did in the 1997 football season except 2006 and that we were pretty much out of the national title race in September every year and I get blasted for having too high of expectations.
We've gotten to three frozen fours since 98 in hockey. I realize we've been punched in the dong a few times along the way, but the hockey team has arguably done much better living up to expectations than the football team.
I'm just saying, be consistent with calling out sports for underachieving.
Oh but didn't you know? Football isn't Hockey.
Different set of expectations.
Hockey has been to FIVE Frozen Fours since 1998 (2001, 2002, 2003, 2008 & 2011), actually. But the closest they've been to cashing in was 2011. The rest were hair-pulling-out frustrating Frozen Four losses. ESPECIALLY 2008. But you know, Terrier Curse.
Football had back-to-back Big Ten Championships in 2003 & 2004. Granted, neither were close to a BCS Championship Game like 2006 was.
But that doesn't matter since, "THE GOAL IS TO WIN THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP. MULTIPLELY."
Even though it's 2014 and not 1989, people still coddle the Football program and brush the fact to the side that there has been one mythical National Championship in the last 60 years.
Wanna know I changed my avatar awhile back from 42 to 11? Because it's time for a mindset change. I had the same dated views for the longest time. That's how I was raised. Big Ten Championship and Rose Bowl.
That doesn't cut it and should be a consolation prize if they don't win the National Championship or make the playoffs.
It's just time.
Look at the players and lack of effort on the current team. There is enough talent to beat Penn St and actually want to show up against them. But keep blaming everything else besides the coaching. That will get you far.
You are in the minority here and need to move on, like this program. But keep your head in the sand, it's working out well for you.
You're too close and entrenched in the program to view it objectively.
Since we're all disrespectful idiots, what do you think the program should do to fix this?
Yes the OHL thing is an issue for college hockey, but Michigan is not the only school that has to deal with it
You don't have to be the in Dekers Club to understand hockey
In fact, I might argue that you're so close to the program that it's keeping you from looking at it objectively. This program's last great class was the Patch-Hagelin-Louie-Palushaj class and the program moseyed on downhill as that class trickled out the door. Without the glorious blip that was Shawn Hunwick, this team missed the tournament 3-4 years ago and never made it to that title game. Outside of him, this program has failed to meet expectations for years
I am so pissed because I know I will right back watching it next season.
would "clean up" with the players who play for Michigan.
Berenson needs to retire.
He isn't exactly who I had in mind to replace Red.