Michigan out for Jarrett Patterson???

Submitted by MWolverine7 on
Anyone hearing this? Apparently it’s down to Notre Dame and UCLA according to other boards. If this is true, not good. I was hoping we’d get him in this class. Edit: Just realized that Notre Dame leapfrogged us with a new OL coach.

Stringer Bell

January 30th, 2018 at 9:58 PM ^

And none of that matters if the QB and OL play suck again.  You mention the "three young linemen playing at a high level very early in their careers", well all of them sucked at pass protection last year, so no that's not "playing at a high level".  And now we're looking at 2 new starters at the tackle spots and hoping that Drevno, who has yet to produce a good line here, is gonna coach them up into a championship quality unit.  Color me skeptical.

Give us an Andrew Luck and sure, I'd expect us to really take off in year 4.  Maybe Shea will be that if he's even eligible.  But 9 passing TDs in 13 games speaks for itself.  Our passing game was historically bad, and right now our best shot at a serviceable passing game is questionable to even play next year.

Also, since you're using Stanford's improvements from Harbaugh's 3rd to 4th years as a reference, it's worth mentioning that Harbaugh went out and got Vic Fangio to improve a very bad defense.  What's he doing to improve our very bad offense?

PurpleStuff

January 30th, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^

Not much better than “historically bad” and in a league where many here seem to think they play zero defense. You use terms like “they sucked” and “historically bad” and “give us an Andrew Luck” with zero context. Next year’s offense will be significantly improved in talent and experience at virtually every spot on the offense, and that is exactly how you get exponential improvement, not by swapping assistants and crediting the new arrivals with any and all change in outcome.

Stringer Bell

January 30th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^

What kind of context do you want?  Our passing offense last year was historically bad (fewest number of passing TDs in over 40 years), and as of right now QB and OL are both huge question marks.  

You really think changing assistant coaches can't help?  Stanford went from 82nd in defense in 2009 to 23rd in 2010.  It's no coincidence that such a significant improvement came with a change at defensive coordinator.  Where do you think Penn State would be right now if they hadn't hired Joe Moorhead?  All the talent and experience in the world is completely useless if they're not being coached up right and put in positions to succeed.  Drevno and Pep did neither of those last year, and Drevno really for the past 3 years.

LDNfan

January 31st, 2018 at 8:22 AM ^

How about this for context...

Jim Harbaugh knows how to coach and he knows how to put together a staff. 

Evidence..damn near every stop he's been at including UM. How quickly we forget what a disaster he walked into and immediately turned in a 10 win season and it was with Drevno on the staff and calling plays. That team had maybe one or two preseaon all B1G players and ended up with a ton of guys going pro. The Oline was improved but that's from a historically bad floor from the previous coaching staff. It is also the hardest area to get guys to play above their ceiling and it looks like the Oline was pretty close to its ceiling in those first two 10 win seasons. Wholesale turnover from Vets to newbies and 3 injured QBs and now everything and everybody sucks...and Harbaugh should fire and hire like he's playing a video game (not everyone you want is going to be available when you want them..but it sure as hell looks like he's trying to upgrade the staff and address some weaknesses (e.g. recruiting)).

But its bitching season..so bitch on ( I really believe some enjoy coming here to constantly gripe). I'm still thrilled as hell that Harbaugh is leading this program and have confidence that he will not be satisfied until UM is a much bigger factor on the national stage. No fucking way he left the Pros to come to UM so that he could be ok with just being 'Ok'. No way...Who believes otherwise?

UMFoster

January 31st, 2018 at 9:29 AM ^

Is that just an excuse for poor QB play?  What could possibly be so wrong with Speight that a full offseason couldn't fix?  

The defense was what kept us in the Wisconsin game.  We scored 1 touchdown in that game... 1 touchdown.

UMFoster

January 31st, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^

We were not leading.  We were down 14-10.  DPJ's should have been a TD but unfortunately that doesn't show up in the box score.

We had so many chances to score in that game, but we weren't able to score in the redzone.  We had an interception at the 30 yard line and they held us to a field goal.

 

Saying Speight is injured because he "didn't look right."  is a stretch.  Maybe he just wasn't that good when he wasn't completely surrounded by talent.

reddogrjw

January 31st, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^

Speight, O'Korn and Rudock were all 3-stars, with Speight being ranked the best

 

O'Korn - .8954, ranked 645, 32nd ranked Pro Style QB

Speight - .8764, 427th, 23rd QB

Rudock - .8559, ranked 627, 23rd QB

 

we now have

Patterson - .9982, 4th best player, best QB

DCaff - .9435, 123rd, 5th QB

Peters - .9684, 61st, 6th QB

 

so our QB talent pool is as good as it has been in a while

UMFoster

January 31st, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

It has been noted that Fisch was able to simplify the offense to make it more QB friendly.

 

There are also some rumors swirling around that Speight and Pep might not have seen eye to eye.

 

When given the decision of Drevno or Fisch, the wrong decision was made.

Perkis-Size Me

January 31st, 2018 at 8:43 AM ^

I admit some of the pessimism is a little over the top, but it's hard to blame people being frustrated when you have a coach being paid $9 million a year who can't win a big game, or beat his rivals. It also does not help that we've been repeatedly whupped by said rivals for a decade or longer. What happened before Harbaugh got here isn't his fault, but he's contributing to the frustration as it seems like the offense has come full circle since Hoke left. 

You start winning those games next year and everyone shuts up. But woulda coulda shoulda against MSU or OSU does not matter. We lost. 0-3 against OSU and 1-2 against MSU. That's your reality. That's why people are pissed. 

reddogrjw

January 30th, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^

wasn't the reason our QB threw horribly inaccurate passes against Ohio State last season

 

it's not great, but QB play is far and away the #1 issue with 2017

Perkis-Size Me

January 30th, 2018 at 10:10 PM ^

If O’Korn was coming back next year you’d have a point. But he’s not. O’Korn wasn’t the reason that Peters and Speight got sent to the hospital. The blame for that falls on our OL.

I’m a firm believer in that you fix the OL first. If you have a great OL, the rest takes care of itself. The QB has time to survey the field and make his reads. Receivers can get open. RBs have lanes to run through. When the OL is a wreck, no one has any time to operate, Peters or Patterson will be running for their life or having their teammates carry them off the field, and your RBs run into nothing but brick walls. As our RBs have been doing for the better part of a decade.

Perkis-Size Me

January 31st, 2018 at 8:33 AM ^

Even if that's true, that does not excuse the OL for being one of the worst in the country at pass protection. When the competition stiffened, they were horrible at run blocking too. 

Despite the struggles displayed by each of our QBs, you can't blame them for the OL breaking down repeatedly. 

jabberwock

January 31st, 2018 at 9:29 AM ^

and who is responsible for coaching up QBs already on the roster?  
Or evaluating, approving & developing transfer QBs?
Or maybe even recruiting young talented QBs and coaching them up to contribute early (like so many other teams (even championship ones) do?

None of those things are happening well at Michigan.

Maybe we should hire a QB guru.

Perkis-Size Me

January 31st, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

And a huge part of that was because of our OL.

I won't dispute that our QB play this year, overall, was bad. But the OL did not do Speight, O'Korn, or Peters ANY favors. It's hard to operate your offense when you can't even complete your five step drop before you have the opposing DL in your face. It's also hard for your young, inexperienced receivers to find time to get open when their QB is sacked before they can run more than 10-15 yards downfield. 

I'm still a very firm believer that if you can only fix one thing on this offense, or if you have to build your offense from the ground up, you start with the line. You can have Tom Brady commanding your offense but if he doesn't have time to get comfortable (as the Giants conveyed to us all twice), what does it matter? 

A great OL would've bought a young receiver time to get open. It would've opened lanes for Higdon and Evans to take more pressure off of the QB. It would've allowed Speight, O'Korn and Peters all time to survey the field, make reads, and find the right throw before they get slammed to the turf. 

fharajli

January 30th, 2018 at 10:05 PM ^

I'm over the 2018 season. Hard schedule. Same coaches, same playcalling and same archiac system. See not much improvement for next year. Jim blew it this offseason. Big time.

reddogrjw

January 30th, 2018 at 10:16 PM ^

needs to contribute in 2018

 

maybe Hutchinson plays some

McGrone (but we red-shirted 2 elite LB last year so maybe he red-shirts)

 

our 2018 recruiting class was never going to have much impact on our 2018 starters or even playing time for that matter

fharajli

January 30th, 2018 at 10:39 PM ^

The bombing of the '18 recruiting class sets it up as to either the '17 class have to become superstars the next couple years, because they're getting little to no help from the '18 class or we are doomed. Big risk on Jim's part. Also, Jim's set it up where the risk may be bigger than the reward. Taking "diamond in the rough" and hoping a few pan out. I know we had a bad 2017 season, but I was not expecting the class to be this bad.

reddogrjw

January 31st, 2018 at 7:27 AM ^

it is 3rd or 4th at worst in the conference

 

while of course we want better, almost this entire class likely red-shirts with all the 17 red shirts that will begin to play along with all the returning starters

 

we have 14 players who red-shirted last year who are being added to the mix, including 4 OL

 

I would like one more OL and an interior DL but we only lost 2 OL (so far) in Cole and Kugler - at the moment everyone returns and we have 4 OL who red-shirted last year who will now play

 

it is like Maizen has infected half this board into whiny little girls

ChuckWood

January 30th, 2018 at 10:09 PM ^

Pitiful effort on the recruiting trail. All because a guy who needed to apologize to his OL for coaching poorly is still a coach. The greatest way to look at the future is by looking at the past.

mfan92

January 30th, 2018 at 10:36 PM ^

Fuck. I hope not. I haven't seen anything from nicholas petit frere. I seen Florida and bama for him. We needed both of them plus the Rice guy. What he hell is going on

Wolfman

January 30th, 2018 at 11:29 PM ^

"If you can't recruit, you can't win."  This is some pretty profound shit. I'm amazed no one has thought of this before. He just got done leading us to the two best recruiting classes in over two decades. We had a mediocre and by UM's standards, sub par year. Our recruiting was bound to fall a bit and it did. We still finished in the 15-20 range. Our fb team did not. That means our recruiting surpassed the product on the field, and yet you're bitching? That's actually not too bad. 

Mongo

January 30th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^

in college football is a D1-ready OL prospect. My take is the era of steroids is long gone and to build the required body mass in an OL prospect is a rare person. Maybe 1 out of 10 can mature to that NFL level physical specimen without substance abuse. What is the answer? Drug testing at the high school level starting in junior year. The Juice is flowing under the radar.

golfer

January 30th, 2018 at 11:33 PM ^

you need to show you can win. why would you   go to a school that does not win big games. we have won all the easy ones. the big ones we are bad. lot of it is the offense line. no changes this year. no winning recruits.