M Ascending

August 24th, 2017 at 12:23 PM ^

Well, the problem HAS been running backs, along with the OL, the past few years. Remember how everyone criticized Deveon's inability to read his blocks and find the proper hole? He improved slightly last year, but not enough. And Chris Evans also displayed a lot of questionable decisions in terms of finding the right hole. And then there's Ty Isaac, who goes to the ground when someone breathes on him. Higdon is the only one that I think displayed the entire package last year, given his limited opportunities. The OL has not been great, but the RBs have not maximized what has been available to them.

Goggles Paisano

August 24th, 2017 at 1:26 PM ^

I thought Isaac improved a lot last year and was much harder to bring down.  He just didn't get enough carries.  Higdon flashed here and there last year but also missed a huge cut back lane that may have went to the house.  I can't remember if it was against OSU or Fla St. (I think it was OSU)  See that lane and we win that game.  

But to your point, I agree that our RB's have been a bit of a weakness for many years. Couple that with our OL and we didn't get it done in the 4th qtr.  I am certain though that the problem is being fixed and will be fixed in the near-term.  

BlueSpiceIn SEC.hell

August 24th, 2017 at 2:29 PM ^

While talking about his 1991 Florida team, referenced Bo Shembechler's book he was reading at the time. After losing to Syracuse, he went back to work preparing for his next opponent- he paraphrased Bo - Tough teams run the football well. We have to do it this year.

reshp1

August 24th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^

Obviously our run game needs to improve, but rushing it 3 straight times up the gut to kill clock and then losing on some crazy shit the next possession is just one of those things that happens. You play the odds, give the opponent the toughest situation possible, and hope for the best. Obviously you'd like to pick up that first down, but throwing a pick or even an incomplete, running out of bounds, etc are all possible if you open up the play book more in that situation. 

UM Fan from Sydney

August 24th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^

Yup. I'm so sick of people saying and meaning that. MSU fans are convinced they were in that game. The score does not indicate how that game actually went.

Prince Lover

August 24th, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

That's being in the game. I get what your saying, the final score does not indicate how much of a lucky, comeback win it was for Sparty. And I hate that day more than most. But they won. Which kinda means they were in the game at the end.

Tator Salad

August 24th, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^

yeah but  not being able to run the ball well in the fourth quarter is what allowed them to get the late score that made it look closer than it was. If we had a running game in the fourth they never would have had time to get the late score, and we probably would have gotten a nail in the coffin touchdown late to make the score look more accurate.

BigBlue02

August 24th, 2017 at 11:08 AM ^

We were up 3 scores with 8 minutes. Teams play different when they play with a big lead. Just because we had an average ground game last year doesn't mean that is the reason we couldn't close out that game. The defense let up those scores to make it close, so does that mean the defense is the reason? Michigan had control of that entire game

freelion

August 24th, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^

Mainly because of the BS loss in 2015 and the bad streak we had against those clowns.  I was in the stadium for that game and never felt 100% comfortable until Jabrill ran back the fumble.

UMAmaizinBlue

August 24th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^

Is part RB talent, part OL talent (you can argue over what fraction belongs to each). We're working on the RB talent well enough in recruiting - my hope is that Greg Frey can use his knowledge of the O-Line as the RB coach to produce runners like he did at IU in Tevin Coleman.

Could the late game/late season fall be due to not making adjustments on the line, fatigue?

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

August 24th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

Bring 8-9 guys into the box and rushing teams will always struggle to generate >3 yds per carry. Speight has to hit the deep ball because it is the constraint with JH's offense that spends 80% of the time playing in a 4 yd phone booth. This is actually an area for optimism: We have several receivers, especially DPJ, this year who can get behind the defense AND play the deep ball well. Darboh and Chesson struggled with tracking & attacking the deep ball. Speight will obviously need to give them chance unlike most of his 2016 deep balls.

ScooterTooter

August 24th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^

The part about the end of the Ohio State game is incorrect.

Michigan had a 3rd and 4 after two rushes (and of course Speight missed a wide open Darboh on a slant for an easy first down) and Ohio State tied the game with a field goal. 

socalwolverine1

August 24th, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^

Valid point in the article, in most of those losses we just needed that last first down to kill the clock.  One other thing I discussed with a fellow alum yesterday is, in the Harbaugh era, who have we beaten when our opponent was favored?  I'm thinking maybe Florida in the Citrus Bowl (?), otherwise drawing a blank. 

JHumich

August 24th, 2017 at 10:38 AM ^

And it was! I'm excited about our running game prospects this year. I actually think that opening things wide is just as much about run gaps/zones as it is giving our QBs more quick options. And we've got more road grading on the line and more vision and quicks and cuts in the backfield than in a long time. This has always been a good time of year, because it lends itself to unbounded optimism. Thankfully, in the Harbaugh era, that has extended to full satisfaction for most of the year. This year, all the way through January! GO BLUE!

freelion

August 24th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

and it's spot on. Harbaugh had to cover a lot of deficiencies in the run game last year but it got exposed late in those tough road games especially. I believe Oline was the real culprit and hopefully Frey can turn that around quickly.

arrowhead

August 24th, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^

Dravano is supposed to be the OL guru yet not a single one of his seniors -- he had 2 years coaching them -- was drafted this season. Not good coaching results. In the MooU loss, UM had the "best" special teams coach in America. I guess he should have been Australian. 

EGD

August 24th, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^

I guess you don't remember how god awful the M offensive line was in 2013 and 2014.  

Perhaps Drevno didn't turn those linemen into NFL draft picks, but that was a major reclamation project.  He did well enough with them to give M a functional offense over the past two seasons.  And he did that despite losing LTT to dismissal, Newsome to a gruesome knee injury, Devery Hamilton to a late flip, and basically having one month to recruit in 2015.  

I'm not sure how good the line will be this season, but it does look like Drevno (and now Greg Frey as well) finally has some good raw material to work with.  M should have a very good line in 2018 and probably a dominant, Harbuagh-at-Stanford type of line after that.  If that doesn't happen, then you can start to question Drevno.  But it really does seem to be coming together.  

CRISPed in the DIAG

August 24th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^

Give me a roster of guys with high football IQ's, great athletes, coach's sons. Players with high ceilings and floors. Upside guys. Fellas that just know how to win and play the game the way it's supposed to be played.

MGoStrength

August 24th, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^

Everything else last year was good enough to contend except the offensive line.  We all know the offensive line is and has been our achilles heel for quite some time and rears it's ugly head against the better defenses we play.  It will probably improve this year, but it's still probably another 1-2 years away from being really good when the '16 and '17 recruiting classes have some time to develop.

kb

August 24th, 2017 at 11:23 AM ^

At some point you have to perform. You can't always "wait until next year" or "wait for year X". There are going to be weak spots on every team every year.

Dailysportseditor

August 24th, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^

Here's another pattern in recent Michigan losses:

 

Utah -2

MSU -1

OSU -1

Iowa -1

OSU -2

FSU +1

 

It is difficult to win tough games with negative turnover margins.  It certainly can be done [i.e., Clemson over Alabama], but usually negative turnover margins are recipes for defeats in close games.

 

Farnn

August 24th, 2017 at 11:29 AM ^

Those can also be the result of lack of a running game.  You're forced to throw it more, and often end up in obvious passing situuations leading to increasing pass rush and throws into better coverage.  Get a solid ground game going, you have fewer 3rd and longs, more effective play actioin, and fewer passing plays overall.

Plus, Michigan's defense had an abnormally low amount of fumbles caused in relation to how often they hit ball carriers behind the LOS. Advanced stats show that sacks result in fumbles about 20% of the time.   Additionally, running plays result in a fumble about a little over 1% of the time, and completed passing plays result in a fumble just under 1% of the time.  Last year, Michigan had 42 sacks, faced 481 rushing plays, and 143 completed passes.  Using 1% for running plays and completed passes, Michigan should have had 14 fumbles and they only had 8.

Those numbers above are based on NFL numbers, so the expected number of fumbles may be a bit higher considering college ball security isn't as good.

I'd say a consistent running game is more important than fixing a turnover issue, because it was often just a 1 turnover difference, and it should improve as a result of the running game improving.

 

AA Forever

August 24th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^

championship level, and our RBs have not been much better. But it goes deeper than that. Some of those losses are also about Harbaugh getting hyper-conservative in the fourth quarter and trying to run out the clock with vanilla plays from an inadequate running game, playing not to lose instead of going aggressively for first downs that would have sealed things. Not fielding a QB who is a threat to run also makes it a lot easier for defenses in those types of situations. They can focus on one guy and be 90% sure he's going to get the ball.

Wolverine 73

August 24th, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^

To hear our problem in losses has been our inability to run the ball. I mean, this has been obvious to anyone watching the team for the last several years. Last year's seniors on the OL did not seem to improve the last couple of years, at least not in their ability to succeed against good teams. Hoping the influx of Harbaugh recruits and Frey coaching means that is about to change.

True Blue Grit

August 24th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^

For a while now, Michigan has not had the deep, talented OL's necessary to be an elite team.  The recruiting, attrition, and development problems under RR and Hoke left the new coaching staff with a rut that takes time to dig out of.  Also, Michigan hasn't had a dominating RB since Mike Hart.  And Denard was largely a one-man running attack that relied on his pure athletic ability more than great blocking.    Fortunately, I think Harbaugh and staff has turned around the RB situation to the point where that shouldn't be our problem this year.  The OL and their experience level will be the big question mark.  Going forward, we'll get there in the next few years, especially if Frey stays around.