Mel Tucker Monday presser

Submitted by A2Townie on October 31st, 2022 at 1:24 PM

I'm watching this live on BTN right now. Can't imagine this was what MSU was hoping for. He is stumbling and stuttering. Talks slower than molasses.  But his overall message is basically they have suspended 4 players and he can't speak further out of respect for the investigation, he keeps repeating that.

Someone questioned his culture at MSU and why didn't any players try to break up the fights and he just said our culture is based on this this and the other.

He looks defeated and nervous. Hes in way over his head.

Hoek

October 31st, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^

Well, as the head coach if there are criminal charges I'm sure MSU can fire and keep some of that money, wouldn't it be ironic that Tuck brought in a guy (K9) off the portal, beat Michigan and earned himself 95 million only for one year later to bring in a guy off the portal (Crump) lose to Michigan and lose all that money. 

ZooWolverine

October 31st, 2022 at 1:36 PM ^

I've heard others mention a similar understanding of a criminal charges clause in Tucker's contract. If it even exists, this can't possibly be what it means.

It would be absurd to have it built-in that a football coach can be fired if any player is charged with a criminal offense. Obviously this is an extreme case where the charges happen while they are together as a team and multiple players are involved, but picture a player getting picked up for stealing a beer from a corner store. No coach is accepting a clause where they are now in jeopardy because a random freshman tried to sneak out some alcohol.

If there's a criminal charges clause in his contract--and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is fictional--it's almost certainly about whether the coach faces criminal charges.

Hoek

October 31st, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^

I'm not saying he has a clause in his contract, but MSU might be able to settle with him for a low buyout and save some money. I also don't think a coach should be held responsible for a player a crime while not during football activities. This crime happened during a football activity which could give MSU some leverage to the buy out.

bronxblue

October 31st, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^

I hate the idea of a "slippery slope" defense but if guys are being liable for what some player does on a football field that's not going to work.  Now if you had some recording of Tucker saying "hey guys, go beat the shit out of that UM player" sure, but otherwise I'm certainly not behind the idea of anyone being incidentally responsible for what college age men do even in a uniform.

R. J. MacReady

October 31st, 2022 at 3:06 PM ^

From the 97.1 Spartee slappies show just now … allegedly.  

“Mike and Rico both said “mark my words, this is going to spill into the fans during a game at some point”
-JH is a master manipulator. Like a Karen who waives their finger in your face telling you what to do then cries foul when you try to move her out of your way.”

If this was true it said in the radio … ok.  Not surprised. Of course broadcasters on the other hand ….
 

https://247sports.com/college/michigan-state/board/93/Contents/valenti-on-point-today-196551171/?page=1

Skidmark

October 31st, 2022 at 6:04 PM ^

Highly unlikely. What coach would agree to a contract provision where his  contract could be terminated because a player engages in inappropriate or even criminal conduct over which he has no direct control?  Mel had a lot of bargaining power at the time he executed his deal. I’m betting dollars to donuts you won’t find such a clause. 

Wolverine15

October 31st, 2022 at 1:30 PM ^

This is his Brady Hoke-Shane Morris moment. He sounds like a complete jackass up there, with no contrition or accountability for the culture he has set. He apologized to the MSU alumni but neither of the Michigan players. I seriously can't imagine any parent in their right mind wanting their son to play for this coach

woosterwolverine1224

October 31st, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^

I was about to post this exact same thing. The Tucker-Hoke comparisons (outside of the contract) continue to mount. He knows that this is a problem, but the difference is at least Hoke would have called and apologized, Tuck is going down with his players. Also saw Gemon and his family hired Tom Mars as an attorney, that isn't good news for the MSU players involved.

MGoArchive

October 31st, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^

Anyone who has been paying attention the last thirty years knows this is EXACTLY what michigan state is - as an institution (lack of oversight of the AD from the Trustees & President), to the athletic department (lack of oversight of their individual teams and personnel), and coaches (lack of influence of player behavior).

There is absolutely nothing of value gained in having msu as part of the big ten. Our predecessors were right from the very beginning - they DO NOT belong in this conference.

MRunner73

October 31st, 2022 at 2:06 PM ^

Unfortunately, we cannot unring the bell as far as MSU in the Big-10 or not. Anymore than we do it for Rutgers and Nebraska.

This whole assault event gives the entire MSU athletic program a black eye. Every student athlete over their must be on their best behavior from now on.

PopeLando

October 31st, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^

There's really two possibilities:

1. He's been hung out to dry, a la Dave Brandon & Brady Hoke 

2. He was told to avoid admitting anything and avoid commenting on an ongoing legal issue. 

Remember that neither head coach directly witnessed these attacks. But also witness the CLEAR differences in leadership between Harbaugh and Tucker:

Harbaugh spent time sorting things out with the team, the police, the folks running the media & security cameras. He checked in with his boss and got on the same page. He has clearly impressed upon his team the need to NOT retaliate nor snipe over social media. He's talked to Green's family. He took charge.

Tucker has avoided the topic and pleaded ignorance since the first minute. His University President released a statement before he did. He's undoubtedly had access to the security footage and other recordings that Harbaugh did, and I wouldn't be surprised if he and Harbaugh have spoken personally. 

There's no scenario where Tucker shouldn't have been prepped for his Monday press conference. He KNEW these questions were coming, or should have. He should have had a team of lawyers prepping his responses. He should have had a written statement he could have read. This kind of stuff has happened before, there's a fucking formula for handling it. 

Unless he's been salted and hung out to dry. I think Tucker's being thrown under the bus here. 

Vasav

October 31st, 2022 at 2:05 PM ^

I don't think Harbaugh and Tucker are in comparable situations. Harbaugh is doing a fine job, but his players aren't under investigation. Tucker does have to be sensitive to that, does have to be sensitive to their rights, and does have to represent those guys even when they've done something reprehensible. That's as much his job as keeping the team disciplined, dismissing guys who warrant it, and winning football games. There are a lot of ways for him to screw this up, and very few ways for him to do right (and "doing right" in my subjective eyes is not something he can complete or prove any time soon). He has to, in general order:

1) Be a part of meting out justice to all the offenders

2) Keep the rest of the locker room on board and together

3) Inspire a change of culture that this is wrong - a culture that predates him

4) Win football games at the rate he did last year

The second item is not one we really care about (nor the fourth) - but I do acknowledge it and its importance. It's a tough job. I've led teams for a long time, I'm not sure I could do this. But I also will likely never see $95 million, and honestly can't conceive of what that much money even means for an individual or family.

evenyoubrutus

October 31st, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^

MSU has two major problems, the dysfunctional culture and the complete lack of self awareness. I'm sure many fanbases lack self awareness (including us) but the way it's institutionalized at MSU is a major problem for them. They believe from the top down that Dantonio was a man of high moral integrity and that the culture he created was probably a big selling point when they courted Tucker. And I'm sure they believed it, and that any sought after coach they threw money at could come in and win without having to deal with cultural problems.

tspoon

October 31st, 2022 at 3:34 PM ^

Ironic that you're saying we shouldn't forget ... when apparently we're forgetting this culture existed long before Groucho Mark came along.  Sure he took it up a notch in terms of public commentary ... but the Spartoons have always been this way.  Certainly so in the early 90s when I was a student at M.  

DOBlue48

October 31st, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^

Agree fully with OP.  Mel was clearly coached to avoid specific comments re: the attack, but he appears to be very uncomfortable and out of his league.

Vasav

October 31st, 2022 at 1:49 PM ^

I think the following things are all true:

1) Tuck owns this culture, and this is his moment to earn his money

2) There is almost nothing he can do RIGHT NOW to satisfy folks. There is a lot of wrong things he can do. The most right thing to do is to be contrite

3) He can change the culture, this culture pre-dates him. But if Juwan can survive actually slapping another coach, I'm ok with Tuck surviving this.

The sins of Dantonio - while real - are not Tucker's. I'm positive he's leaned on Dantonio before. He has to rebuild and change the culture. It's not easy, I'm not sure he wants to, it's likely he fails, and it's likely I'd fail if I tried to. Nevertheless, I don't think we should take too much from the body language of a presser.

He should apologize to the M players involved, as the MSU VP did.

Blue In NC

October 31st, 2022 at 2:52 PM ^

Agree with this perspective.  Sure I have seen Tucker get amped up but Harbaugh has at times too.  I have not seen anything from Tucker that makes him some evil villain or really culpable for this.  Some of his players crossed the line between normal rivalry trash talk/actions and unacceptable violence.  But I haven't seen anything yet that he put them up to it or can't control his guys.  A few Michigan players could lose control in the future and I would not want all of that on Harbaugh, again assuming that in each instance the coach condemns and penalizes the behavior.  I know people think Tucker is overpaid and got unduly lucky the last two years but I see far more accountability (so far) with him than I did in the Dantonio/Narduzzi years.