I bring punch and pie. Regularly.
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I bring punch and pie. Regularly.
Wait, you're a mod! You can do something about it! (Or at least the race baiting troll in the Novak foul thread).
you've isolated the pattern: difficult to win on the road in college basketball.
If he was 2-8..well you get the idea
Arkansas being unconscious from everywhere on the floor in the first ten minutes. Give them some credit.
their center even hit a turnaround fadeaway 18 footer during that stretch. i damn near fell off my couch.
the brick he threw in when Michigan was making their run. His shot hit the flat back part of the rim and somehow spun in such a way as to roll into the hoop. If it hits anyplace else, fans may have been hurt.
That bucket stopped a 6-0 run by UM and put the lead back to 7 and then Ark turned that into a 6-0 run the other way.
the team has to learn how to play threw adversity in that type of environment to prepare for the tournament , b1G and NCAA where the atmosphere will be very similar. I have no problem with Beilien testing his teams meddle under those circumstances and hey, it almost worked! Bottom line is you have to learn how to win on the road. This will help them going foreword.
I set the over/under on useless cliches in this thread at 1000
Yer battin a thousand Gordie! Defense wins championships!
True dat, but you also have to come out ready to play
100% agree, he did not do enough at the start of the game, regardless of the TOs. Hope he is able to make some adjustments. We can't afford to fall apart like that; looking for #4 over MSU will add some reassurance
I think you managed 3 cliches in 3 sentences. Impressive
Perhaps you are overestimating the powers of the timeout? Timeouts don't score baskets or play defense. And there's a lot more to coaching than calling timeouts.
That could be right...
Beilein and this team have guts. Yes, the team lost but without Beilein's adjustments over the course of the game along with the intense "never give up" attitude, Burke would not have even had an opportunity to win the game at the end.
let's not give beilein any credit for constantly mixing up the D in the second half, which obvioulsy confused them a bit. their TOs skyrocketed and their shooting % plummeted.
Many coaches have a tendency to stick with their original gameplan when it does not work. Many coaches let their egos block their way of making adjustments. I give a ton of credit to Beilein for admitting that his original plan did not work and making the necessary defensive adjustments to get the team back in the game, both score wise and mentally.
i agree with the OP. we start so slow on the road, show no fire and play no D for the first 15 minutes. happened at IU, happened at Iowa. that's coaching. i love beilein, but he has to fix that.
As a coach of a team that also tends to start slow, let me say that your attribution of starting slow to coaching is far overrated.
I realize my team starts slow. We talk about it. We talk about it at practice, before games, and after games. We've changed pre-game routines, practice order. You get the point. The coaches can't go out there and box out with 4th quarter intensity during the 1st quarter for the kids. At some point someone has to step up and do it. Last I checked, coaches aren't out on the floor.
Almost every team starts slow on the road...that's why road wins are so hard against good competition.
I won't put this on Beilein. For us to be in this game to the end, with how we are shooting threes, is incredible. The team did not give up, and dug itself almost out of a huge hole. I do believe that Hardaway and Smotrycz will turn things around soon, which will reflect itself in the win column. I also don't think we will face another team like this for some time, if at all.
Beilein has this team believing in themselves. After today, I believe we will end the year with 21 or 22 wins, win at least one and probably two in the Big 10 tourney, and win at least one, possibly up to three, in the NCAA tourney.
I think that this loss is critical in a good way. It is going to toughen us up enough to win at least three if not four or five games on the road in the conference. I think that this loss will pull Burke, THJ, and possibly Smotz, into a higher plane and different dimension.
The point of calling a TO would have been to settle things down, yes? Well, the TV time-outs didn't do anything to settle them down, and they eventually pulled out of it without timeouts and played damn well. The first 10 minutes were gonna be brutal no matter what happened, and those TOs came in pretty handy down the stretch.
Beyond that, this is a learning experience for more important games later on in East Lansing, Columbus, and the tourney. Long term, I like the way things turned out today... minus the L.
or another decent big man. Why we dont have another like Morgan is a recruiting gaffe I think.
But why do we have to spot every team 20 points while ON THE ROAD?
Seriously. We get blown off the ball for every road game. That isnt a good team when it cannot win on the road.
And when I saw Burke play at start of season, I said to myself that he'll be the best player on the team.....and he is, but you know, this seems to be to the detriment of Hardaway, who seems to be void of the offense with Burke playing. Burke must EFFECTIVELY get Hardaway involved, otherwise kiss the season goodbye.
We're gonna get blown out by MSU in EL, unless they stop spotting teams 20 pts.
You just answered your own question. We do have another big man, but he's injured. Hardaway has to get himself involved in the offense. Half the time he stands at the baseline on the 3pt line and does nothing.
don't blame hardaway's troubles on burke. burke gets him plenty of open looks when he kicks the ball out to him THJ is just missing the shots at an alarming rate anymore. and today, when he drove the basket, he was out of control. that's not on burke either.
The idiots really just come out of the woodwork after a loss. Arkansas shot 70% in the first half. They ran like demons in the first half, especially because this was the biggest home game so far this season. That translated into fatigue and weak legs in the second half which resulted in missed shots and lazy defense from Arkansas, which allowed us to come back in the game. Against a team like Arkansas, and the way the play, a timeout really only benefits them by giving them a breather. Our guys were trying to slow the game down in the first half and conserve energy. Please, feel free to have an opinion, but when you clearly know nothing about the opponent, basketball or the coach, expect to get ripped. =)
Its funny to read through the posts. A lot of people disagree, and that is fine, but probably 70% of the people who disagree don't add a single substantive thing to the discussion.
So because you disagree with me, I know nothing about the opponent, basketball, or the coach? You do not know me, know nothing about how much basketball I have played, coached, or watched. Apparently Beilein and I have starkly different philosophy's about T.O.'s and stemming a run. But your ad hominem attack when you know nothing about me is ridiculous.
You're clearly on the verge of a McFarlin style meltdown. On second thought, keep it up!!!
Who was the last one...Wolverine318?
The mods have gotten way too good at their jobs. Or the really crazy ones have learned to quit just before they go TOO far.
Nice to see that tough guys don't take the weekend off.
Just relax. You start a thread saying a coach is 100% to blame for a loss, no questions asked, and are surprised people disagree. Regardless of your intent, this post comes across as an irrational post from a fair-weather fan, and so people are going to call you out. If you don't like the response, then don't invite it
This poster must be on an account that Jay Bilas and Tommy Amaker share.
Nothing to do with Coach but does anyone know if we scheduled a home and home with Ark?
They're coming to Crisler next year.
The thing is, this is the game you want to lose if you're going to lose one right now. By forcing the team to play through the adversity, you gain that experience for later in the season when you might not have time-outs to use.
I'm not thrilled with the performance today, and obviously it would have been awesome to get this win, but in the grand scheme of things, dropping an out of conference away game is not going to hurt us.
Michigan, outside of Trey Burke, doesn't have the athletes to handle pressure that well. I'm surprised more teams don't press Michigan because of this. You saw MSU make a comeback last year when they started to press (and Michigan only really had Morris to handle the rock against it), and then Arkansas. They actually adjusted to it very well.
The problem is that they didn't respond quick enough, and they should respond quicker. This isn't a moral victory type of thing, they still lost. But I still don't mind not calling a timeout in that situation, it helps a team grow and next time they face pressure like that they will be much better off. It's a game they should have won, ok, but in the long run they will be better. If something they don't respond well to happens come tourney time I expect a timeout and things to be fixed sooner so they can win these games they should, but in this situation it just sucks they lost, nothing more.
I'm interested in hearing Belien's rationale for no timeouts early on. But that game had trouble written all over it from the get-go. To come back as Michigan did was remarkable.
I've been watching Michigan hoops since the 70s and Belien is the best coach we've had since at least Johnny Orr. When something he does turns out badly, that's unusual. I am grateful to have him, and I love this team. All its parts may not mesh enough of the time to reach elite status this season. But we are headed in the right direction.
"Beilein is a good coach, and seems like a good guy, but you will never convince me he is not completely to blame for this one. That is coaching 101." - Fresh Meat
You will also never be convinced that the fact that they were able to control the tempo a little bit in the second half and get within a single possession are indicative of good coaching, right? We struggled early, but I am not going to throw Beilein under the bus for this one. The "L" sucks, but they made it close and made great adjustments after Arkansas' initial tear in the 1st. I'll take the things I saw in this game into the next and say it can lead to a "W". If you're going to lose a tough road game, this might be the one to lose, and it won't kill us at the end.
But you gotta bring it STRONG on the road. This lack of intensity (especially by Novak) is infuriating. Don't these guys want to win. It kills me that they don't give a shit when they stink up the court. Did you see the happy look on Burke's face when his shot rattled out. Total fucking apathy.
The coach needs to call time out and her these Fockers playing!
You just criticized Novak for lack of intensity? The kid comes out every game and works his ass off! All he has is heart and intensity- Not to mention he led our team in scoring and rebounding today. If he was anymore intense he would turn green and be called a The Hulk
Zack Novak was asked to comment on your sarcasm meter. His response:
Well, then I guess that settles everything.
It's a loss - it happens. UM also just beat a top-10 outfit in MSU. That's on a Beilein as well.
Yeah. I hate how Beilein went out there and hit the first 11 of 11 for Arkansas.
YOU SUCK! What do you know about coaching? How many games have you ever won? Michigan lost by two on the road when the 3 point attempt rimmed out at the buzzer. I am sure coach BEILLEIN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMEBACK..../s
So shut up
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The inside game and high percentage shots. Then start bombing threes. Don't get it. Young team with many players in need of more college time. Eg Hardaway.