Little Brown Jug question

Submitted by Former_DC_Buck on October 5th, 2022 at 10:45 PM

If Michigan and Minnesota were to make it to the B1G Championship game, would the Jug also be up for grabs?  Got to thinking about this today when Tony Gerdman (Michigan Monday) was wondering if Illinois and OSU made it, would it be an Illibuck game? I would think so, but not sure.  Didn't know if you folks had discussed this and I might have missed it.  

Most of the trophy games in the B1G are within the Divisions.  Sadly the Broken Bits of Chair falls into this category.

PopeLando

October 6th, 2022 at 10:17 AM ^

Personally, I would like to know EXACTLY how Milton supposedly "outperformed" Dylan McCaffrey. Because in 2019, it sure as shit looked like McCaffrey had 2020 well in hand.

My memory of 2019 - besides the Shea Patterson Infinite Regression - is Dylan coming into a game, scoring handily, then Milton playing for quite a while, showing us both how high his ceiling was...and how far he had to go to get there.

I don't suppose that we'll ever get the true story, but I'd bet one fake internet dollar that it wasn't a true competition. 

jwk899

October 6th, 2022 at 12:09 PM ^

Dylan McCaffrey, now a Senior QB at Northern Colorado, is not exactly lighting up Big Sky competition.  My guess is, neither QB was all that impressive in practice and the upside with Milton (primarily his big arm) was greater than that of McCaffrey which is why Joe won the job.

OuldSod

October 6th, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^

Counterpoint: few P5 qbs light up schools at the competition level of Northern Colorado. Matt Gutierrez had pedestrian numbers at Idaho State after transferring from Michigan. He was an UDFA, but not because of his production. He was signed solely because he would have been the starting QB at Michigan following a long line of NFL qbs, had he not been injured. His poor production was thought to be the result of poor supporting personnel. 

McCaffreys poor production probably means he was not an NFL talent, but isn't really indicative if he's an average P5 qb. He's on a bad team. We really don't know how he would have done at Michigan. 

St Joe Blues

October 6th, 2022 at 3:55 PM ^

I've often wondered what effect the WI dirty hit/concussion has had on his play since then. I believe he was also evaluated for a concussion in 2021, although I don't remember the outcome of that situation. He could just be a guy who can't play football anymore because of the after-effects. Or there could now be a mental aspect to it that makes him subconsciously tentative.

I will say this, in his limited time prior to the concussion, I thought he was the real deal. The tools seemed to be there and there was an unmistakable aura of leadership, similar to what Cade displays.

JetFuelForBreakfast

October 5th, 2022 at 10:50 PM ^

It wouldn't be up for grabs.  We would just let them look at it for a minute (out of courtesy) before we beat their heads in with their paddles and took it back to Ann Arbor.

Order is being restored.

Blue@LSU

October 6th, 2022 at 10:20 AM ^

Ah, now I remember. But I think you're confusing me with BlueVet in that thread. I only remember because I thought it was one of the weirdest objections I'd ever seen.

https://www.mgoblog.com/mgoboard/week-zero-game-day-posbang

I hate being in my late 40s. Too old to do the things I used to do, but not old enough to claim things like memory lapses. 

Former_DC_Buck

October 5th, 2022 at 11:15 PM ^

 Because is late, stole this from Wikipedia. 

The Illibuck is a carved wooden turtle that serves as the trophy awarded to the winner of the game. Two junior honorary societies, Bucket and Dipper of Ohio State and Atius-Sachem of Illinois, are responsible for the care of the Illibuck. Originally the "trophy" was a live turtle when the tradition began in 1925, picked for its expected long life as a symbol of the anticipated long life of the rivalry. From 1919 to 1933, the Illinois–Ohio State game was the regular-season finale for both teams. Since the original turtle's death on April 14, 1926, ten wooden replica Illibucks have been carved, each with the scores from games on its back. The Illibuck is the second oldest trophy passed between Big Ten Conference football programs (the Little Brown Jug was created in 1903).

Former_DC_Buck

October 6th, 2022 at 9:59 AM ^

Actually, easier than that.  Unless they have moved them since I last visited, they were at the Kuhn Honor and Scholar House.  It used to be where the OSU President lived before they moved that off campus during the Vietnam War. 

The new house actually was on my paper route, near Whetstone Park/Park of Roses when I was a kid. It has relocated a couple times to different, larger homes in the Bexley area, close to the Ohio Govenor's Mansion.

That would be funny, BTW.