Latest (uncertainty) on UCLA to Big Ten

Submitted by Blue Vet on November 18th, 2022 at 1:48 PM

This New York Times article shows that leaders of the U of California system are still balking at UCLA moving to the Big Ten, partly because of travel hardships for athletes, partly because it will be hard on UC-Berkeley.

Overall the article seems to suggest they're only huffing & puffing and when they gather again on Dec. 14 they will ultimately not stop UCLA's change of conference.

Does anyone in California have greater insight? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/sports/california-regents-meeting-ucla-big-ten.html

readyourguard

November 18th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^

It most certainly was.  I was a child of the late 60s/70s.  I loved California and all it had to offer.  Still lots of family there.  But the last few times I've visited, I've been more and more upset of what's become of what I considered the best state in the country.  Now I think it's tied for the the worst state.

BoFan

November 18th, 2022 at 6:56 PM ^

Well “readyyourguard”, I’ve lived all over the country and the bay area is the one area/state I’ve lived with the fewest dysfunctional people and the most accepting of differences.  There are definitely rural parts of California that would more likely resemble rural Texas  

People mostly complain about the costs, high taxes, and the homeless in California.  All three are unfortunately a result of everyone wanting to live here. For many it’s the beauty, the weather, the access to many different outdoor activities, the multiculturalism, career opportunities, and more.  And if you’re homeless, would you rather live where you freeze in the winter or where the weather is beautiful year round, and the government provides you with services, and the public has a higher rate of donations?  Some people  may ask whether the government should provide services or instead just treat the homeless like shit so they will go to another state.  If being liberal means being kind and humane then I am good with that.

I grew up in Michigan and went to Michigan.  I love Ann Arbor and would live there.  College towns tend to be more educated and progressive.  

Medfordblue

November 18th, 2022 at 7:47 PM ^

First went to San Francisco in the ‘50s.  City was clean and safe and they loved armed service people.  Went back recently and found the city filthy dirty, homeless everywhere, rampant drug use encouraged by free drugs for all from the city government, and a lot of scared people and small businesses under enormous stress trying to protect their store fronts and inventory from out of control vandalism.  The state has gone from one of the best to one of the worst in 50 years.

MGlobules

November 18th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^

I can point to several states with similar problems. California gets the ink, mostly because it's become a kind of caricature of liberalism, though that's not always an accurate take. Without getting deep into the weeds, I can just throw in that I recently saw a county map of CA in the aftermath of the HRC-Trump election. Only a handful fewer counties went to HRC than to Trump! What we have in this country, much more than red-blue cartoon division (NE partly exempted) is a metropolitan-rural split. 

The Mad Hatter

November 18th, 2022 at 5:08 PM ^

I was looking at a commercial property earlier and ended up down the Google streetview rabbit hole for about an hour. There was oceanfront property in Oakland that looked like a favela. Abandoned buildings, graffiti, razor wire fences, and a tent city.

Didn't even look like America. I've never seen oceanfront property in such a state.

BoFan

November 18th, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^

Mgoblues, yes and what is a “caricature of liberalism”? And how is it that people can be convinced that liberal Californian is a bad thing?  You have to wonder about the education system in America when the term “liberal” factually means “a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise” and fascism means “an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” and yet people can be convinced that liberal is a bad thing and anti-fascist is a bad thing. I think Michigan and UC grads are doing pretty well on this part of their education.  

drjaws

November 18th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^

as a former TA (for lecture and lab courses) during my 5 years in grad school, I can say that the education is phenomenal, particularly in the life sciences, chemistry, physics etc. i worked alongside two current Nobel prize winners. the collective knowledge in just one life science building is astounding.

but yea, the student experience aside from education is terrible.

BoFan

November 18th, 2022 at 6:28 PM ^

In California we believe in facts (and human rights for all).  Regarding the UC system, if it’s a “hot mess” why are UC Berkeley and UCLA ranked 1 and 2 (Michigan is 3) and the UC system has 6 of the top 10 ranked public universities.

I have 2 degrees from Michigan.  I’ve guest lectured at Cal. 

Venom7541

November 18th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^

I'm originally from Southern Cal. There's a reason why I haven't been back in over 30 years. I have no insight from a California perspective other than everyone there is insane, haha.

JonnyHintz

November 18th, 2022 at 5:47 PM ^

I’m fairly certain that you’re wrong and that there is no law saying they can’t. 
 

I assume you’re referring to their status as a non-profit. Non-profit is a bit of a misnomer. It doesn’t mean you can’t turn a profit, it simply has to do with how the profits are distributed. Basically non-profits simply can’t distribute profits to any private individual(s).
 

Pretty bad business model, even when the goal isn’t personal monetary gain, to design a business around losing money. That’s not how non-profits work.