Latest (uncertainty) on UCLA to Big Ten
This New York Times article shows that leaders of the U of California system are still balking at UCLA moving to the Big Ten, partly because of travel hardships for athletes, partly because it will be hard on UC-Berkeley.
Overall the article seems to suggest they're only huffing & puffing and when they gather again on Dec. 14 they will ultimately not stop UCLA's change of conference.
Does anyone in California have greater insight?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/17/sports/california-regents-meeting-ucla-big-ten.html
November 18th, 2022 at 1:55 PM ^
If they aren't stopping them then where is the uncertainty?
November 18th, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
The article points out the uncertainty: though they will decide on December 14, until then it's uncertain.
November 18th, 2022 at 3:36 PM ^
are you certain of that?
November 18th, 2022 at 3:56 PM ^
The real question is...
November 18th, 2022 at 2:42 PM ^
I found the post title a wee tad contradictory myself. Not the end of the world, though.
November 18th, 2022 at 3:23 PM ^
With all the huffing and puffing I think it depends on whether the UCLA deal is made out of brick.
November 19th, 2022 at 1:16 AM ^
I think he meant insertingly. Autocorrect!
November 18th, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
The UC system is a dysfunctional mess...
November 18th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
It's like having a boss who tells you to stop doing something that is making the company money because it wasn't his/her/their idea.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:15 PM ^
Unfortunately, I know this too well...
November 18th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^
Many of us do.
‘Or, they present our ideas as their own.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:29 PM ^
I contend that ALL of California is a dysfunctional mess. And that's coming from a native Californian.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:32 PM ^
Having lived there for a few years, I resemble that remark.
[But despite the joke—which I couldn't resist—for 3-4 decades after World War II, it was the American dream to many people.]
November 18th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
It most certainly was. I was a child of the late 60s/70s. I loved California and all it had to offer. Still lots of family there. But the last few times I've visited, I've been more and more upset of what's become of what I considered the best state in the country. Now I think it's tied for the the worst state.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:54 PM ^
What state is tied with California?
November 18th, 2022 at 3:04 PM ^
Ohio, duh.
November 18th, 2022 at 3:32 PM ^
wrong
as we all know, Ohio is the worst state ever, therefore, CA cannot be equal with it
November 18th, 2022 at 4:27 PM ^
Bo, Charles, and Desmond were good though!
November 18th, 2022 at 6:56 PM ^
Well “readyyourguard”, I’ve lived all over the country and the bay area is the one area/state I’ve lived with the fewest dysfunctional people and the most accepting of differences. There are definitely rural parts of California that would more likely resemble rural Texas
People mostly complain about the costs, high taxes, and the homeless in California. All three are unfortunately a result of everyone wanting to live here. For many it’s the beauty, the weather, the access to many different outdoor activities, the multiculturalism, career opportunities, and more. And if you’re homeless, would you rather live where you freeze in the winter or where the weather is beautiful year round, and the government provides you with services, and the public has a higher rate of donations? Some people may ask whether the government should provide services or instead just treat the homeless like shit so they will go to another state. If being liberal means being kind and humane then I am good with that.
I grew up in Michigan and went to Michigan. I love Ann Arbor and would live there. College towns tend to be more educated and progressive.
November 18th, 2022 at 7:47 PM ^
First went to San Francisco in the ‘50s. City was clean and safe and they loved armed service people. Went back recently and found the city filthy dirty, homeless everywhere, rampant drug use encouraged by free drugs for all from the city government, and a lot of scared people and small businesses under enormous stress trying to protect their store fronts and inventory from out of control vandalism. The state has gone from one of the best to one of the worst in 50 years.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:35 PM ^
the multiculturalism?
I’ve lived all over and while that’s technically accurate CA is one of the most racist and intolerant states (let alone countries) in which I’ve lived. Good weather though.
November 20th, 2022 at 8:17 PM ^
Depends where you live. California is like 5 different states.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
I can point to several states with similar problems. California gets the ink, mostly because it's become a kind of caricature of liberalism, though that's not always an accurate take. Without getting deep into the weeds, I can just throw in that I recently saw a county map of CA in the aftermath of the HRC-Trump election. Only a handful fewer counties went to HRC than to Trump! What we have in this country, much more than red-blue cartoon division (NE partly exempted) is a metropolitan-rural split.
November 18th, 2022 at 5:08 PM ^
I was looking at a commercial property earlier and ended up down the Google streetview rabbit hole for about an hour. There was oceanfront property in Oakland that looked like a favela. Abandoned buildings, graffiti, razor wire fences, and a tent city.
Didn't even look like America. I've never seen oceanfront property in such a state.
November 18th, 2022 at 6:18 PM ^
Oakland isn’t on the Ocean 🤦♂️
November 18th, 2022 at 7:07 PM ^
Bay, whatever. Big water with salt in it. Nice view until you turn around.
November 18th, 2022 at 7:44 PM ^
Oakland has one of the biggest Ports. That, and Long Beach, is where all the stuff you buy from China gets offloaded onto trains and shipped across the country. Someplace has to do it. But no one wants to live there.
November 18th, 2022 at 9:11 PM ^
Lived in Berkeley, then in Oakland, Liked 'em both.
November 18th, 2022 at 9:12 PM ^
Lived in Berkeley, then in Oakland, Liked 'em both.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
There's a HUGE difference between being on the ocean and being on the Bay. There are parts of the Bay that are dirty, smelly, or unsightly. Oakland is a port city, so the parts of the city that are on the Bay are not necessarily as desirable as you would think.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:30 PM ^
I thought you gave up the drugs?
November 18th, 2022 at 6:23 PM ^
Nobody lives in many of those red counties
November 18th, 2022 at 9:42 PM ^
Mgoblues, yes and what is a “caricature of liberalism”? And how is it that people can be convinced that liberal Californian is a bad thing? You have to wonder about the education system in America when the term “liberal” factually means “a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise” and fascism means “an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy” and yet people can be convinced that liberal is a bad thing and anti-fascist is a bad thing. I think Michigan and UC grads are doing pretty well on this part of their education.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^
No politics, dude.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:51 PM ^
PhD from UC Berkeley here. The UC system, and the entire state as a whole, is a hot mess
November 18th, 2022 at 3:33 PM ^
At alumni events out here, I've talked to alumni who pursued graduate degrees at Berkeley (a couple of whom were TAs for undergrad courses), at they all tell me that the student experience at Berkeley is an absolute train wreck compared to the student experience at Michigan.
November 18th, 2022 at 4:30 PM ^
as a former TA (for lecture and lab courses) during my 5 years in grad school, I can say that the education is phenomenal, particularly in the life sciences, chemistry, physics etc. i worked alongside two current Nobel prize winners. the collective knowledge in just one life science building is astounding.
but yea, the student experience aside from education is terrible.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:47 PM ^
Right, obviously Berkeley is a prestigious school with great faculty in every field. But its administration seems to be in a perpetual state of dysfunction and financial disarray. That affects how the University treats its students and alumni.
November 18th, 2022 at 6:28 PM ^
In California we believe in facts (and human rights for all). Regarding the UC system, if it’s a “hot mess” why are UC Berkeley and UCLA ranked 1 and 2 (Michigan is 3) and the UC system has 6 of the top 10 ranked public universities.
I have 2 degrees from Michigan. I’ve guest lectured at Cal.
November 18th, 2022 at 9:14 PM ^
Attended Michigan and Berkeley, liked 'em both.
Also taught at U of Michigan-Flint.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:40 PM ^
Ranked by whom? Last I noticed most of the elite universities are opting out of rankings due to flawed methodology.
stop drinking and go to bed.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
I'm originally from Southern Cal. There's a reason why I haven't been back in over 30 years. I have no insight from a California perspective other than everyone there is insane, haha.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:02 PM ^
"Travel hardships"... doesn't seem to hold back Hawaii teams (not just football).
November 18th, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^
Huh? UH athletic department hasn't run a profit in over a decade. Surely that has something to do with travel costs.
November 18th, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^
15 - is it fair to say that Hawaii also doesn't have a B1G Media agreement that they participate in?
November 18th, 2022 at 2:26 PM ^
That's not unique to the University of Hawaii though, there are plenty of ADs that lose money while their teams travel around the country.
November 18th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^
I'm fairly certain that *no* public university AD had "run a profit" in well over a decade. By law, they cannot.
November 18th, 2022 at 5:00 PM ^
What does this even mean?
November 18th, 2022 at 5:47 PM ^
I’m fairly certain that you’re wrong and that there is no law saying they can’t.
I assume you’re referring to their status as a non-profit. Non-profit is a bit of a misnomer. It doesn’t mean you can’t turn a profit, it simply has to do with how the profits are distributed. Basically non-profits simply can’t distribute profits to any private individual(s).
Pretty bad business model, even when the goal isn’t personal monetary gain, to design a business around losing money. That’s not how non-profits work.
November 18th, 2022 at 11:40 PM ^
Ok, “revenue surplus”