Kinda OT: 3 Clemson players failed drug test
Per the Twitters, 3 Clemson players failed a drug test and could possibly miss the CFP. Most notably, is projected 1st round draft pick Dexter Lawrence.
They tested positive for ostarine, which is a banned substance in the US.
Lawrence missing this game would be big, but still think Clemson has enough talent to beat ND.
https://twitter.com/yahoosports/status/1077292485607444480?s=21
December 24th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^
So they got caught for roiding? That’s hard to do. They must have been juiced up to a crazy degree.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
No, they got caught taking a SARM. While it is possible they were taking it on purpose, it is more likely that they didn't even know they were taking it when taking a supplement (a lot of times small amount of things of substances like this are added to the supplement and not listed in the ingredient list). It still is their fault for taking something not given to them by the school or not having the school test it, but it isn't like they were juicing up to a crazy degree.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^
Oh come on. The purpose is to enhance muscles, it is not widely available in legal supplements, and they got caught because they made a mistake.
The fact that three have been caught suggests either a ring of guys on the team with the same private doping advisor and regimen, or a systematic program sponsored by the team that made a serious masking error.
December 24th, 2018 at 5:21 PM ^
Give them Dantonio's number...only Bullough got caught so their masking program is 3X as effective....
December 24th, 2018 at 6:11 PM ^
Correct! This!!! I have yet to see an athlete who got busted for taking an unauthorized supplement come out and say "I bought Product "X" at GNC and here it is and you can test it and see that it does contain the banned substance. Still my fault, but here is the exact product I took Warning to all players.".
December 24th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^
Without solid proof of when and how, it's really hard to know exactly what happened. But, the old standard when caught is "Deny, deny, deny". Post Ben Johnson, and since all other that have been caught, it's hard for me to believe he got it in his system incidentally. He didn't know he's supposed to be careful with what he takes?
Ben Johnson's coach, starting at 2:52:
December 26th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
Given that ostarine is not approved for human use or consumption in the U.S., or in any other country, there are no legal medications that contain ostarine.
In short, no GNC supplement would ever have it because anyone selling it would open themselves to INSANE levels of liability due to the fact that the compound is specifically designated as not approved for human consumption.
December 24th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^
SARMs are not put in supplements.
This is what Grier tried to say getting caught with Ligondrol, but it's just not a valid excuse. That's why the NCAA, and any other governing body don't buy the excuse.
They were taking the SARMs straight up. There is a good chance though that the team wasn't aware though because any person can go online and get a SARM.
December 24th, 2018 at 8:27 PM ^
The notion that anyone is still genuinely arguing that college athletes at major D1 programs with millions of dollars on the line are ingesting a random handful of pills without knowing their exact contents is crazy to me. They knew what they were doing, they figured they wouldn't get caught, and they did. They'll survive. But SARM is not cleared for human consumption basically anywhere in the world, and it's 100% used as a performance and recovery enhancer.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Tony Mandarich says,”HELLO!”
December 24th, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^
SARMs are a very mild steroids, with Ostarine being the mildest of the popular SARMs (milder than Ligandrol). So no, they were not juicing to a crazy degree, but it is also highly unlikely that they somehow ended up taking it by mistake. Dabo trying to say that i could have come from hair cream is laugh out loud funny.
December 24th, 2018 at 11:24 PM ^
Clemson's football facility to have nap room, barber shop
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, it can be slipped to you by someone "very close to you." It's a great plan...you and your players don't even have to lie and there's no way in hell the NCAA is ever going to interrogate the team barber.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^
Luck of the Irish.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^
The players had "trace" amounts of ostarine (essentially a masking/mitigating agent) in their systems, and the initial result will need to be confirmed by testing the B-sample. Lawrence thought he was being pranked when informed about the test.
Here's a direct link to the Yahoo Sports article: https://sports.yahoo.com/3-clemson-players-miss-cotton-bowl-failed-drug-tests-including-dexter-lawrence-194952443.html
December 24th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
“Lawrence thought he was being pranked.”
Thats different, then. Every other athlete in history that has been caught doping and faced severe consequences for it has quickly confessed and voluntarily exited their sport. So Lawrence can’t possibly be guilty or something.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:02 PM ^
in that case, lance armstrong says 'hello' then, if every athlete ever caught confessed.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
Twas the sarcasms
December 24th, 2018 at 4:44 PM ^
XM must be having a rough day to have missed the sarcasm.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enobosarm
Pls correct me if i am wrong. But according to wikipedia, it is a selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM, as someone else noted in the thread). So possible anabolic steroid like effects rather than a masking agent.
December 24th, 2018 at 6:59 PM ^
"It's not mine!" - what every criminal says when they are caught
December 24th, 2018 at 7:14 PM ^
That totally works, but you have to yell "SQUIRREL!!!" and point .
December 24th, 2018 at 7:15 PM ^
"are you going to believe me, or your lying eyes?!"
December 24th, 2018 at 8:51 PM ^
Ask me no questions...and I'll tell you no lies.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:45 PM ^
What a news flash! If they tested Bama, SABAN himself would have to suit up!!!
December 24th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
Saban probably takes it too.
December 24th, 2018 at 3:53 PM ^
Didn’t they all get caught showering in deer urine or something a few years ago?
December 24th, 2018 at 4:05 PM ^
Literally LOL’d at that one. Probably true.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^
It was some sort of designer PED labeled as "deer antler spray" or some sort. LOL if people think PEDs aren't widespread among the CFP finalists and probably most of the next tier of programs.
December 24th, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^
PEDs are fairly common at the high school level. I’d assume most D1 and D2 guys cycle at least a bit.
December 24th, 2018 at 8:31 PM ^
Yes, very common in high schools. There were guys using them in my high school in 1979.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:34 PM ^
Not an Ostarine expert, but there are plenty of supplements banned by the NCAA. Friend of mine walked on a team and gave all of his stuff to me. Also of note, players cant chew.
December 24th, 2018 at 5:16 PM ^
Ostarine is illegal in the US. Tobacco is a thing players are discouraged from using.
December 24th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^
Ostarine is not illegal in the U.S. Neither are testosterone or "real" steroids. They are banned by the NCAA and most sports bodies, but they are not illegal for regular individuals to possess or use.
December 24th, 2018 at 9:41 PM ^
Yeah my bad. Quickly scanned results on the USADA website and they used “illegal in the US” language to mean banned.
Important distinction obviously. Thanks for the correction.
December 24th, 2018 at 7:25 PM ^
Must be a new rule, because there wasn’t a time I didn’t see Taylor Lewan walking around campus without a giant lip in.
December 24th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
Pretty sure Peters was dipping on camera during the 2017 Florida game.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:36 PM ^
Swinney translated:
"Dadgumit, I have no idea how my players got this illegal performance enhancing substance, that I will now pretend to have never heard of, in their system. I will pretend to be a simple southern boy so that you believe I couldn't possibly have anything to do with this."
December 24th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^
The masses will eat this up, as will the media talking heads. No way Swinney could be doing anything wrong - he's a great interview, so he must be a good person!
December 24th, 2018 at 6:45 PM ^
Horrible translation, you missed at least a few "aw shucks" in there.
December 24th, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^
Translation...Clemson is CHEATING
December 24th, 2018 at 6:06 PM ^
Bingo!
December 24th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^
Uh, yea they better miss the CFP
December 24th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
SARMs are not put into supplements. It doesn't make any economic sense because SARMs are expensive (relative to normal supplements), and they are not made in the same place as supplements - they are made in labs.
If you are caught with SARMs in your system, you were either knowingly taking it or it was being slipped to you by a person close to you.
Attaining SARMs is really easy, though. Any student-athlete can go online and purchase them, although I think there has been recent legislation to make purchasing of them illegal
December 24th, 2018 at 5:46 PM ^
Haha hahhahahahHhaaaaaahaaasaa
December 26th, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^
name checks out
December 24th, 2018 at 5:50 PM ^
Shocked! Shocked I tell ya!
December 24th, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^
That'd be awesome if Trevor Lawrence missed after they kicked Kelly Bryant to the curb. (or whatever the guy's name is.)
Edit: It's Dexter Lawrence who is suspended not Trevor Lawrence.
December 24th, 2018 at 6:43 PM ^
MK2866 or Ostraine is considered a SARM. It was first developed to help with osteoporosis and muscle wasting diseases. It helps with healing the body quicker along with many other benefits. It can easily be bought on the internet most companies sell it looking like a supplement and there have been numerous times supplement companies have added SARMs to product and not put it on the label. Though I doubt this is what happened but alot of sites on the internet claim it is legal to take.