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That board melts anytime the temp gets above 32. It's disgusting. It's rather amazing at the number of fans that forgot when RR took over he inherited 21 defensive players out of a total of about 70 and those he inherited on offense included a grand total of one returning starter and an entire OL that for some reason had no experience whatsoever.
 

Actually enjoyed Speilman's questions because they were legit. But the answers to the defensive woes are many.  Why did we have only 21 defensive players when RR take over with 15 scholarships unfilled?  And it was a given he was going to concentrate on offense first. I heard so many damn cliches during his first year with "He's remodeling the whole house when all that was needed was a bathroom restoration," and similar metaphors being bandied about as if they had any fucking merit. He came here to get rid of a stale odor, even if it involved a few sludge spills along the way.
 

If you people who keep suggesting he hasn't recruited defensively, remember please losing two DTs in his first year via decommitments, same thing w/dbs and the fact that the glorious play you are seeing from our two sr. lbers are remnants from a bygone era that was dying before your very eyes.

Because we can only recruit 25 in any given year, he couldn't even fill the entire roster until his second full class. Among those were 16 defenders. I can't imagine him going any other route than  getting his skill players on offense in his first year. Afterall, everyone was fully aware, especially Martin that RR didn't coach the pro formation.

In his third year he is overseeing one of the 3 top offenses in the country  with the most prolific qb in cfb running the show in his first full year as a 19 year old starter.  Because Demens and Fitz are taking over in the later part of the season, next year we'll return 9-10 returning starters on both sides of the ball.  BTW, he has a commitment from the no. 1 RB in the country and was able to RS the top rated spread qb in the nation from last season's hs bounty.

I'm as frustrated as any other UM fan in the country over our defensive woes, but I have no doubt that we'll see huge improvement from this season. I can't imagine any team, and I don't care what  conference you play in, depending on so many freshmen to stop top-notch offenses. It simply doesn't work. But freshmen become sophs and sophs become juniors and on and on and on. If I were witnessing a team that was giving up I'd be worried. This team, despite what happens fights to the end. That's the important thing because M will soon be "the experienced team" once again and the young talent we're watching grow up is equal to or better than any in this conference.  

If Speilman(a buckeye) can see it and declare, "this team will grow old together and be something special," and Griese chipping in with his declaration of DRob's improvement in the passing aspect of his game and say too that he'll just continue to get better and better, why the hell do so many opt to take the negative from what is good here and what will more than likely become something truly special?

Fans on this board asking questions like, "Is he throwing his players under the bus again," make me want to toss. He is an honest man. He says what he believes but he has never stated anything but the truth when addressing the media, and that included taking blame for coaching short comings.

This board is better than that. That's the reason I went from a yearly subscription at Rivals to monthly and then eventually getting tossed because I made a decision to back this team and one can simply not do that without supporting the head coach. RR didn't go from one of the top 5 coaches in the country to a football idiot just by changing his address.  He's the same guy that so many of today's bright young coaches opted to travel and learn from his seminars and then copy a true innovator. He'll make it happen and when it arrives, he'll do it on an annual basis.  He's planted the seeds and this program will return to the top.

Those that continue with the "We are Michigan. What the fuck good is 7 wins?, etc., simply choose, either by ignorance, or a belief in Rosenberg's espousals the name Michigan automatically equals 8 wins forgot just what the hell he inherited here, and what became even worse after all the defections. He started from scratch my brothers.  It's my guess these people believe TX, for some inexplicable reason,suddenly fielded a team of two stars and their coaching staff grew dumb during the off-season.

Like I said, this site is better than that. Let the cry babies and those subject to mood swings move on over to the wolverine.com. I guarantee you won't be lonely there.

NateVolk

November 20th, 2010 at 7:22 PM ^

I have this love of self torture where after a loss, where I read every post on every negative thread on here.  People who are quick to barbecue the Rich Rod must go crowd, need to take a step back. 

The dissatisfaction seems like it is not with the  present state in year 3 of a likely 7-5. Or even  the severe beatings by the conference contenders. The actual worry is no one really knows what we will be when we are full of veteran players and deep. When the legitimate excuses have worked themselves out, what will we be? Will it be worth all this? Or will we still be getting beat around by bigger tougher opponents? 

This is what they might be seeing: We are small, frail, and not tough, especially in the defense back 7.  We don't seem to play big and strong like our rival opponents who have been kicking the snot out of us.  Our recruiting doesn't seem to be bringing in the Lamar Woodley or the Glen Steele.  Those guys seem  to be going to MSU. Yikes.

All these perceptions explode with people with  a game like today or Penn State.

If these fans are asked to trust in this coach and this plan without any reservation, they need to see better than today's effort.  24 points in a half with 1 pass play?  That's a manhandling. 

What if the Rich Rodriguez machine that everyone keeps saying to wait patiently for, turns out to not be a dominant force against the good teams in this league?  

That is what really has people worried.  Don't blame them either. With a guy like Harbaugh out there doing what he is doing at that doormat program, hard to blame them for lashing out for change either.  

This was no progress today and that is scary.

 

BlueTimesTwo

November 21st, 2010 at 1:10 AM ^

To be fair, that same Wisconsin team manhandled OSU on both sides of the ball as well.  They are one of the biggest football teams I have ever seen, composed of nearly all upperclassmen, many of them seniors.

True, we don't know exactly what this team will look like, but that is partially because it is so young.  We have had 7-5 years in the past, and that was when we were not going through a major coaching change.

I think that the rationale was that in hiring RR we were swinging for the fences.  Generally speaking, risk and reward go hand in hand.  We hired RR because we were willing to risk some bad seasons to take a shot at having something special, especially on offense.  Now when it looks like we might be a year away from that special team, some people want to pull the plug.  I say that we have to ride it out and see what happens when half of the team is not composed of freshmen.

jmblue

November 21st, 2010 at 2:13 AM ^

it looks like we might be a year away from that special team

Is this a rational belief?  We're 3-4 in conference play.  Our four losses were all by double digits and in all four games we've trailed by 20+ points in the second half.  Our three wins, coming against mediocre (or worse) opposition, have been by an average of 6.7 points, and one was in triple-overtime.  Quite frankly, this doesn't sound like the profile of a team ready to move up.  It sounds like the profile of a very average team.  It's hard to go from average to elite.     

Schmoe

November 20th, 2010 at 7:40 PM ^

but......7 wins IS UNacceptable!!!

but.......ignoring the defense as a head coach IS UNacceptable!!!

but.......going 1-3 against the "top 5" in the Big Ten IS UNacceptable!!!

but.......THIS IS UNacceptable!!!

bighouseinmate

November 20th, 2010 at 9:14 PM ^

......else thinks, although I imagine quite a few feel the same as I do. I love Michigan. I have followed the team for 25 years now and none of it is old. I used to think, during the days of Moeller and Carr's first years, that I might never know the solemnity of a losing season, or the torture of rooting for a bad team like so many other CFB fans have. Then came 2007, and I knew that Carr was leaving well before it was announced. Carr had run through the four years of Henne and Hart, Long was gone after the season, as well as Adams and Crable, with no sense that the defense would be anything good in 08'.

Then the long process for the hire, first being excited about Miles, then relieved when he wasn't chosen. The worrying and wondering about who it would be, wishing for us not to become a revolving door program like ND had become, or many other programs. And when the announcement that RR was to become our Coach, I was overjoyed, yet hesitant since I knew what he ran, and what we had, and that neither really mixed.

Now, nearly 3 years after he was announced as our new Coach, I am as confident as ever that UM will be back at the top and that it will be an annual thing. Why, you ask? Because we now see what the offense can be with RR's mind and B10 level players on O. The fact that they are so young and will become a force that continually reloads is even better.

Our D IS young, and seriously inexperienced, but that is the good news, because it WILL get better, no matter who the D coordinator is, and the concentration on defensive recruits while filling the reloads for offense is a good thing. Our D will become good again.

We have, most of us anyways, been through the Horror. We've been through the 3-9, then the 5-7, so we've all seen the program at it's lowest, but the future much brighter than what 2007 was threatening to become with just a continuation of the same-old, same-old. We, as a program, were losing our luster with other programs taking away the top kids we used to get.

I support RR, and I think that the next few years will show the CFB world that he was the right choice for the program.