JUB: 5yrs 55mil on the table for Jim.
December 8th, 2023 at 12:16 PM ^
SIAP?
December 8th, 2023 at 12:18 PM ^
Ya boy Salvatore Quattro beat you to it.
December 8th, 2023 at 12:20 PM ^
Keith Jackson landed on the Moon?
December 8th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
hey now, that's my line. can i get a citation, a ribbon, maybe a tootsie roll for coming up with that?
December 8th, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^
Little known fact: Justin Feagin designed the rocket that took Mr. Jackson there. It even says "whoa Nellie!" during the more perilous parts of the flight.
December 8th, 2023 at 4:37 PM ^
Mike Jones!
December 8th, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^
Using a rocket fueled by canned gravy.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:14 PM ^
Apparently the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor though?
December 8th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
December 8th, 2023 at 2:08 PM ^
yeah, his last words before the broadcast cut out for some reason were "my god, it's full of 5 stars"
December 8th, 2023 at 12:20 PM ^
I would like to add (before this gets deleted) in the other thread, the other tweet in the OP said the hold up was a clause about Jim not talking to NFL teams this coaching cycle, which several of us pointed out made no sense.
On WTKA this morning with Sam, JUB (and Sam) both said they understood the possible sticking point was the language around Michigan's ability to fire Jim for cause, should the NCAA bring the hammer or uncover new things. That makes more sense that that contract language could be tricky for both sides.
December 8th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^
Why the fuck would Michigan consider firing him over anything to do with this sign bullshit?
December 8th, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^
If the NCAA intends to enforce a 3 season ban for Harbaugh, Michigan is probably disinclined to pay Harbaugh $33 million over that time for him to do nothing.
Obviously that's an extreme example, but I imagine that is the sort of scenario the contract is looking to clarify.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^
3 seasons? Has anyone ever been suspended that long?
December 8th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
It's a hypothetical.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^
No, but no one remembers the last time that it had been 1469 Days since tsio beat Michigan.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^
I certainly do. 1994. Or 1992 if you let them have the tie that year as a moral victory.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:48 PM ^
Jim Tressel got a 5-year show cause.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^
Which is why they fired him. They weren't going to originally.
December 8th, 2023 at 3:48 PM ^
I believe Tressel received a 5 year show cause.
Tennessee was recently hit with a boatload of Level I sanctions and Jeremy Pruitt received a 6 year show cause.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^
A&M just paid Jimbo Fisher $70 million to go away. So I'd say Michigan is getting a bargain in that hypothetical!
December 8th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^
Yeah, Ezeh-E is taking that position below, and honestly, it's not a bad point. Of course, we don't know 1) if this is true and 2) if it is true, what is the language that is causing trouble?
For all we know, it's the same standard language that UM has always had, and now it's Harbaugh who is balking at it because he's suddenly concerned about it. Even if that is the case, your point still stands, but it's not necessarily Michigan adding in new language (although it probably is).
December 8th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
Paying someone only $33 Million not to coach your team? Michigan State and Texas A&M request that we hold their beer.
December 8th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^
NCAA comes down unbelievably hard on Michigan? Something like Harbaugh suspended for a year, assistant coaches suspended from 2 - 3 games, reductions in scholarships, and post-season ban. Essentially something short of a modern day 1 year death penalty / nuking that could set the program back 2-3 years.
OR Harbaugh leaves and the NCAA doesn't go after the program as hard.
Do you want the possibility to take that type of deal? Because if so, that means you'd have to have an out from Harbaugh's contract.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^
I'm no expert (cue Holiday Inn joke), but I'd consider that still worthwhile to sign Jim to this contract and not have an out even if that happens. Jim and the team have brought in so much money the last few years (and will in future years) that having to pay two coaches for one year is a minor issue in my book. Shit, look at A&M paying much much more than that to two coaches.
Show Jim the love. Use a small bit of the pile of money to hire an interim coach if needed. Lock Jim up for the future so he can help bring us back from any small divot we get in if the NCAA gets (read: continues to be) stupid
December 8th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
I don't know the ins and outs of potential NCAA punishments, but they didn't bring someone in to help Moore out for those 3 games this year and they luckily had Minter's dad around to take over for Partridge. Could they hire someone for 1 year to take on certain roles? I don't know. Regardless, it's not a great alternative, but still an alternative.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
Afar,
Wow! What a pussy!
M's culture under JH is beyond incredible (considering M has the least #of players in the portal).
JH and M have the leverage now.
This is what's wrong with our country.
U don't cower when fired upon...
U FIRE when fired upon.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:17 PM ^
'This is what's wrong with our country."
Good lord. Take a break.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:23 PM ^
JH and M have the leverage now.
How? Because they won some games? Didn't stop the Big Ten from suspending Harbaugh, and they didn't even have the bylaws that allowed them to. The NCAA is actually following its own rule book.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^
I also think the culture hea created is great but... you do realize the main reason we have no transfers right now is because we're in the playoffs, right? Come mid January we will almost assuredly have several portal departures. That doesn't mean the sky is falling in Ann Arbor, it's just how the sport is
December 8th, 2023 at 2:08 PM ^
the main reason we have no transfers right now is because we're in the playoffs, right
Didn't stop the WR from Alabama!
December 8th, 2023 at 2:51 PM ^
Yeah, a former 5-star who has 3 receptions this year.
December 8th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^
U FIRE when fired upon.
Ah yes, like when all the drip drip of the Stallions stuff came out and Michigan "FIRED" upon everyone by... releasing the Purdue/OSU/Rutgers stuff and that was it.
If the NCAA were to come down hard on the program and the way out was for Harbaugh to leave, that's a reasonable out to look at especially because Harbaugh has already looked to the NFL multiple times before. They're not firing him and he's going to the unemployment line. He's taking another job.
Also, fuck off with that pussy and what's wrong with our country shit. You sound like an 80 year old that's mad a black man was president once.
December 8th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^
The NCAA isn’t going to do that. If they try UM and Harbaugh will sue them into oblivion. Seeing as they’ll have their hands full with litigation in other areas I doubt very that they will attempt to hurt one of the sport’s richest and most valuable programs.
NCAA has already admitted that there is no evidence implicating Harbaugh and the “coaches responsible” bylaw doesn’t have a prescribed punishment. Plus there is the punishment already meted out.
If this is what is hanging up negotiations then to me it’s Michigan really not wanting to get a deal done.
December 8th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
I'm just not that confident that the NCAA won't do something crazy and excessive.
December 8th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
I agree Wendy. Amazing amount of confidence in Sal's comment above and Grumbler's comment below about what can and will happen. It's as though we didn't just live through the cheeseburger or the Big Ten suspending Harbaugh and Michigan not following through on its lawsuit.
December 8th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^
I think it's a possibility, too.
If they're on their way to losing P5 football at some point in the near future - as some predict - they might want to exercise their last tiny dribble of power with an over-punishment party at Harbaugh and Michigan's expense.
Nothing they do surprises me. They're nuts.
December 8th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
NCAA has already admitted that there is no evidence implicating Harbaugh
There is no evidence connecting him thus far.
I think the burger-gate thing is an apt example here. The violations were nothing shocking. OSU self-reported very similar violations 4 and 2 years ago. That resulted in 2 months of no recruiting for 2 assistant coaches and a 30 minute reduction of team events for a couple of weeks.
In Harbaugh's case, it has turned into potentially 6 games or whatever the level 1 violation carries since he "didn't cooperate." Now, I assume Harbaugh didn't cooperate to mean he basically said as little as possible to the NCAA and they got their underwear in a wad and went after him. But for low level recruiting and coaching violations they're willing to go to the mat? What happens with this stuff that seems bigger (even though rules might not have technically been broken)?
December 8th, 2023 at 2:16 PM ^
Something like that would be appealed to the courts and suspended pending trial. The NCAA cannot arbitrarily assign penalties as you suppose in this hypothetical.
Give him the contract and tell the NCAA FAFO.
December 8th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
I mean, can they though? Like, the Big Ten utilized a nebulous "sportsmanship" rule to suspend him 3 games. Michigan didn't fight it for a few reasons, but I wouldn't assume the NCAA to follow their own rules because they don't constantly.
December 8th, 2023 at 10:11 PM ^
The Big Ten Commissioner has personal dictatorial powers no one in the NCAA has. The situations are not comparable.
December 9th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^
The Big Ten commissioner didn't have the ability to do what he did either. But Michigan dropped its law suit.
And the NCAA has no prescribed punishment for the program or the coach for this infraction.
They can do whatever they want to do here. And your faith that Michigan will sue over it is not based on much, seeing as how they backed off the Big Ten.
December 9th, 2023 at 10:02 PM ^
Michigan backed off on the suspensions because it was a time-critical case that was about top get deferred to the Illinois courts and so have to be refiled. There was no time for that and so Michigan settled for what they could get.
Saying that the Big Ten Commissioner couldn't do what he did is easily disproven by the fact that he did.
The NCAA has not even alleged any rule breaking in regards to Signgate. It is a crisis entirely manufactured by the sporting "news" hacks to get clicks. They would look absurd trying to hammer a school over a rule that not only doesn't prohibit paying for video but which their own rules modernization committee argues is meaningless and should be abolished.
December 8th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
A day old tweet , I can guarantee you it’s already been posted
December 8th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
Slap your John Hancock on there and tell the Bears to piss off. Make it happen coach!
December 8th, 2023 at 1:54 PM ^
Excuse me, it’s Herbie Hancock
December 8th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
Keith Jackson