Hensons Mobile…

December 8th, 2023 at 12:20 PM ^

I would like to add (before this gets deleted) in the other thread, the other tweet in the OP said the hold up was a clause about Jim not talking to NFL teams this coaching cycle, which several of us pointed out made no sense.

On WTKA this morning with Sam, JUB (and Sam) both said they understood the possible sticking point was the language around Michigan's ability to fire Jim for cause, should the NCAA bring the hammer or uncover new things. That makes more sense that that contract language could be tricky for both sides.

Hensons Mobile…

December 8th, 2023 at 1:35 PM ^

Yeah, Ezeh-E is taking that position below, and honestly, it's not a bad point. Of course, we don't know 1) if this is true and 2) if it is true, what is the language that is causing trouble?

For all we know, it's the same standard language that UM has always had, and now it's Harbaugh who is balking at it because he's suddenly concerned about it. Even if that is the case, your point still stands, but it's not necessarily Michigan adding in new language (although it probably is).

Watching From Afar

December 8th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^

NCAA comes down unbelievably hard on Michigan? Something like Harbaugh suspended for a year, assistant coaches suspended from 2 - 3 games, reductions in scholarships, and post-season ban. Essentially something short of a modern day 1 year death penalty / nuking that could set the program back 2-3 years.

OR Harbaugh leaves and the NCAA doesn't go after the program as hard.

Do you want the possibility to take that type of deal? Because if so, that means you'd have to have an out from Harbaugh's contract.

Ezeh-E

December 8th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^

I'm no expert (cue Holiday Inn joke), but I'd consider that still worthwhile to sign Jim to this contract and not have an out even if that happens. Jim and the team have brought in so much money the last few years (and will in future years) that having to pay two coaches for one year is a minor issue in my book. Shit, look at A&M paying much much more than that to two coaches.

Show Jim the love. Use a small bit of the pile of money to hire an interim coach if needed. Lock Jim up for the future so he can help bring us back from any small divot we get in if the NCAA gets (read: continues to be) stupid

Watching From Afar

December 8th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^

I don't know the ins and outs of potential NCAA punishments, but they didn't bring someone in to help Moore out for those 3 games this year and they luckily had Minter's dad around to take over for Partridge. Could they hire someone for 1 year to take on certain roles? I don't know. Regardless, it's not a great alternative, but still an alternative.

kehnonymous

December 8th, 2023 at 1:40 PM ^

I also think the culture hea created is great but... you do realize the main reason we have no transfers right now is because we're in the playoffs, right? Come mid January we will almost assuredly have several portal departures.  That doesn't mean the sky is falling in Ann Arbor, it's just how the sport is 

Watching From Afar

December 8th, 2023 at 2:31 PM ^

U FIRE when fired upon.

Ah yes, like when all the drip drip of the Stallions stuff came out and Michigan "FIRED" upon everyone by... releasing the Purdue/OSU/Rutgers stuff and that was it.

If the NCAA were to come down hard on the program and the way out was for Harbaugh to leave, that's a reasonable out to look at especially because Harbaugh has already looked to the NFL multiple times before. They're not firing him and he's going to the unemployment line. He's taking another job.

Also, fuck off with that pussy and what's wrong with our country shit. You sound like an 80 year old that's mad a black man was president once.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 8th, 2023 at 1:41 PM ^

The NCAA isn’t going to do that. If they try UM and Harbaugh will sue them into oblivion. Seeing as they’ll  have their hands full with litigation in other areas I doubt very that they will attempt to hurt one of the sport’s richest and most valuable programs.

NCAA has already admitted that there is no evidence implicating Harbaugh and the “coaches responsible” bylaw doesn’t have a prescribed punishment. Plus there is the punishment already meted out.

If this is what is hanging up negotiations then to me it’s Michigan really not wanting to get a deal done.

BlueHills

December 8th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^

I think it's a possibility, too.

If they're on their way to losing P5 football at some point in the near future - as some predict - they might want to exercise their last tiny dribble of power with an over-punishment party at Harbaugh and Michigan's expense.

Nothing they do surprises me. They're nuts. 

Watching From Afar

December 8th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^

NCAA has already admitted that there is no evidence implicating Harbaugh 

There is no evidence connecting him thus far. 

I think the burger-gate thing is an apt example here. The violations were nothing shocking. OSU self-reported very similar violations 4 and 2 years ago. That resulted in 2 months of no recruiting for 2 assistant coaches and a 30 minute reduction of team events for a couple of weeks.

In Harbaugh's case, it has turned into potentially 6 games or whatever the level 1 violation carries since he "didn't cooperate." Now, I assume Harbaugh didn't cooperate to mean he basically said as little as possible to the NCAA and they got their underwear in a wad and went after him. But for low level recruiting and coaching violations they're willing to go to the mat? What happens with this stuff that seems bigger (even though rules might not have technically been broken)? 

Hensons Mobile…

December 9th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^

The Big Ten commissioner didn't have the ability to do what he did either. But Michigan dropped its law suit.

And the NCAA has no prescribed punishment for the program or the coach for this infraction.

They can do whatever they want to do here. And your faith that Michigan will sue over it is not based on much, seeing as how they backed off the Big Ten.

grumbler

December 9th, 2023 at 10:02 PM ^

Michigan backed off on the suspensions because it was a time-critical case that was about top get deferred to the Illinois courts and so have to be refiled.  There was no time for that and so Michigan settled for what they could get.  

Saying that the Big Ten Commissioner couldn't do what he did is easily disproven by the fact that he did.

The NCAA has not even alleged any rule breaking in regards to Signgate.  It is a crisis entirely manufactured by the sporting "news" hacks to get clicks.  They would look absurd trying to hammer a school over a rule that not only doesn't prohibit paying for video but which their own rules modernization committee argues is meaningless and should be abolished.