Jay Williams with an ABSURDLY bad take
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https://twitter.com/RealJayWilliams/status/1127975434187153409
Um...How is that an ABSURDLY bad take?
It might now be a great idea, but its certainly not absurd.
It’s not the Juwan Howard part that is the terrible take. It’s the “bring back the culture of the program” part that is the terrible part. It seems to suggest that the culture of the program is in a bad place right now, but nothing could really be further from the truth.
I think the "bring back the culture" portion of that tweet is what's "absurd;" not the hiring of Juwan Howard. Michigan's culture has probably one of the best, if not the best, in all of college basketball over Beilein's tenure.
Thank you. I thought people would have known to what I was referring. Apparently not.
I think it is kind of similar to The U for football. Some people have this idea of what these programs are. Jay is 37 so he was what? 10-ish when the Fab Five were around. So to him, the Fab Five is to Michigan, just like how those Miami teams in the late 90's early 2000's are The U to a lot of people. I don't think he meant it as saying the current Michigan culture is bad, or that they need to get back to paying top recruits, it is just that the way the current Michigan team is, is different than it was when he was growing up and how hiring Howard would be a step toward how he views U of M. I think it was a pretty stupid thing to say, but the idea of hiring Howard isn't that bad.
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That number----It's the sign of the MGoBeast!
Hey man. Don't bring me into this.
Agreed. I think he's talking about bringing back the swag of the Fab 5 era, signing 5*s, having a more star player oriented than coach oriented culture etc. Honestly, I don't think it's a crazy suggestion, but it was poorly worded tweet as it suggested that there was a problem with the culture under Beilein. I'm afraid that this coaching search is going to be too oriented toward bringing in someone to replicate Beilein's choir boy culture. Achieving success that way doesn't feel at all repeatable without a visionary basketball genius like Beilein at the helm, and they don't exactly fall from trees.
It's not bad in that Howard is a decent coaching hire. It's absurdly bad in that Michigan has some sort of culture crisis that needs fixing.
It's absurd. The culture is fine. I guess you don't understand that, Windy.
I'm not sure how "fine" the culture really was. Coach B was a great developer of talent - talent that couldn't wait to bolt for the NBA.
Agreed - and we recruited poorly for how much success we had and how big of a name we are. There were things about Beilein's culture that were great, no doubt. But to suggest that improving the culture is "ABSURD" is way out of line. Also, Jay Williams didn't say that our current culture needed to improve, he was suggesting we bring back the old culture. I'm OK with that.
If he gets the job but still couldn't recruit his own cousin, that would an absurd hire.
How is that a bad take? Juwan Howard would be an amazing hire. He has paid his dues being an assistant coach and has name cache for recruiting. This goes without mentioning the alumni factor.
If you mean in terms of cheating, I guess, but I don't think that's what he was going for.
You're right. That certainly is not what Jay was going for.
Michigan must bring back what culture? Winning? I'm pretty sure Michigan is already doing that.
Cheating.
Are people seriously wondering how "bring back the culture of that program" is a bad take?? That's literally the reason Beilein is so respected, the culture of his program.
Though Beilein did just toss the program aside to go compete for 20-30 wins in Cleveland, sooooo..
Which changes the way Michigan basketball has operated the last 12 years how exactly?
The implication is that the culture may not he as great as we think. I disagree on the whole, but do think that the team had chemistry issues that Beilein did not look that interested or capable of solving as the year went on. I don't think it is a "culture" thing though. If anything I think this may Beilein realizing that he was tiring of the job and getting out before his own apathy impacted the culture negatively.
Well, Beilein laid the foundation for a competitor that does things in a respectable manner, which is what I believe we wanted, and indeed more than any of us could have imagined when he was hired. There's no reason to believe at present that this cannot continue under the right stewardship, is there?
Baffled that people didn't know what he meant by this post.
Don’t be bafffled! RUN DMC said it best,”not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good!” Some people love to not read into what’s positive and come up with,”what’s wrong with our culture?” Pitiful.
I wouldn't say it's an "absurdly bad take," but an odd one. I think he's trying to say that Michigan should try to bring back the Fab Five-esque "swag" but I personally just want whoever is gonna help us win
I don't think Michigan has been lacking in the swag department lately.
A part of me feels bad that his career was cut short but, well, his poor motorcycle driving, but between Williams and Bilas the number of hypocritical Duke people ESPN employs on their college basketball coverage is astounding.
Also, I'm sure Howard is a fine coach, but if people are going to crap on the idea of Yaklich being the new HC because he hasn't coached particularly long, what makes Howard (who's been an assistant NBA coach for a couple of years) significantly more qualified?
I don't know. Maybe 17 years in the NBA. A couple rings. First team All-NBA.
That stacks up reasonably well when compared to teaching history to 11th graders.
Juwan's been an assistant for six years, not a couple of years. He's a highly respected assistant in the NBA which is why NBA teams are now interviewing him for head coaching jobs.
I thought the Lakers should have hired Juwan. He would be an interesting hire for UofM, that’s for sure.
The comments on that thread are excellent.
Ohio State fan in reply to Jay Williams: "Even an Ohio State fan knows that’s an absurd statement."
It's amazing that some Michigan fans actually questioned what was absurd about that tweet...
And when the Indiana fan ( I think it was IU) said, yeah bring back the culture, it will be great for IU basketball, that sums it up, rivals know UM has a clean, winning program.
This is not absurdly bad but I think his word choice is poor. I assume he means connect the program to its past once again, bring it back to its badass cultural roots. Sometimes it seems like there's no program in college sports that is more cut off from its own history the way Michigan basketball is (with good reason of course - it went through incredible changes from 1989 to today).
His view of Michigan culture - in the minds of the mega recruits - may simply be that Michigan has become overly staid and business-like. In other words, things that the Fab 5 era philosophy railed against.
Not sure. Just guessing here.
The very first reply (from somebody named Derek Hutchinson) is dead on the money:
Literally the last thing that needs to change in the Michigan basketball program is the culture.
Everyone's snapping on J-Will, but I think they're assuming he meant "bring back the culture of the Fab 5."
But he didn't specify which culture we need to be brought back to. Maybe he meant "bring back the culture of Brian Ellerbe."
Huh. I thought I liked Jay Williams. And I do like Juwan. But the idea that Michigan should bring back "the culture" is one of the most poorly analyzed comments in the history of Michigan basketball. Say anything--say bring back the best of the Fab V--but for Pete's sake don't say bring back the culture!
The LAST thing that needs to be changed about Michigan basketball is the culture. Quite literally the last thing on the list.
I wouldn't mind Juwan coming back, but the Fab Five's two title game banners are gone due to the culture. Our two most recent title game banners are here to stay.
That has absolutely nothing to do with Juwan. Juwan's All-American award was not vacated because the FBI investigated him and found him to be squeaky clean.
The reason those banners are down is because of Webber. The rest caught in the scandal are Bullock, Taylor, and Traylor. Traylor got our BTT title vacated. Bullock and Taylor didn't win anything, so no banner had to be removed. Those two just had all of their wins vacated.
Everyone knows the "culture" we don't want coming back is the one where Ed Martin and other shady characters had access to the locker room after games.
"bring back the culture" = $$$ culture
I dont think we want that
I'm not sure I agree with this anymore. I guess we will see what happens in Arizona. But if a rule isn't being enforced pretty much across the board, is it really a rule? And if you are one of the few people following this rule that isn't enforced, aren't you putting yourself at a huge disadvantage? It's kind of like travelling in the NBA. It isn't enforced. If you don't travel because you find it unethical to violate the rule, aren't you at a disadvantage to someone like James Harden who travels every time he touches the ball and gains a significant advantage by doing so? There used to be some pride in the fact that it appears Michigan isn't paying players. Now I'm almost mad that they aren't.
The culture of winning and running a clean program is just fine with us Jay Williams, whoever you are.
ESPN is the WORST
Come on Jay, that's a bad take.