Is it just me or does Devin Gardner look like a natural?

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EDIT: Im sorry. My computers blowing up as we speak. I cant change this. I hate my computer right now. HATE!!!!!! ALMOST AS MUCH AS I HATE ANYTHING THATS NOT MICHIGAN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!

JeepinBen

March 25th, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^

Denard ran a ZONE READ in the video (0:34)!! Alert Brian and Magnus ASAP!!!! This is not MANBALL

Also, your title is definitely what she said.

/s... somewhat

In all honesty thanks for posting. I find it interesting that some defensive players have "game style" jerseys while others have the "practice style" (no maize). BWC #73 has a name on his jersey, Maize around the numbers, and the Maize Stripe thingys. Hawthorne and Roh do as well. Other defenders have plain blue - on - white and the 3 adidas stripes. Denard, Cox and Gardner seem to be wearing a fancier blue jersey as well - name on the back and no adidas-style 3 maize stripes up the side. 

WolvinLA2

March 25th, 2011 at 6:35 PM ^

To be fair - that's more likely an endorsement of our run defense than an indictment of MANBALL.  First, I think Molk and Lewan are both out, and with our OL depth, that could hurt our inside running ability.  Also, if there will be one part of our D that should be good this year it's our run D.  Lots of beef up front, much of it experienced, and relatively talented and seasoned LB corps - likely Demens, Cam Gordon, and JB Fitz or Mike Jones, or someone like that.  If that group doesn't stop the run well, they won't do anything well.

KJ

March 25th, 2011 at 3:07 PM ^

Still has a funky delivery. I know that doesn't always take away from on-field results, but I'm slightly terrified about John Navarre-style batted passes at the line.

SWFLWolverine

March 25th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^

I am not sure it is possible for a QB to have more passes batted back at them than Denard did last year...I don't know what the stats were on Denard, but it sure did seem to happen frequently.

APBlue

March 25th, 2011 at 3:44 PM ^

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember John Navarre having a lot of passes batted down.  I also remember thinking that it was odd that a QB as tall as he was would have so many passes batted down.  Maybe he just had a low delivery and difficulty finding the passing lanes at the line of scrimmage.  Don't know.   

 

GoBlueInNYC

March 25th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^

One thing Navarre definitely had a problem with was staring down receivers. Could be that any D-lineman paying enough attention would know pretty easily where and when the ball was coming out.

Plus, I don't know if Navarre did this, but a tall strong-armed QB may have a tendency to fire the ball on a straight-line (i.e., within the reach of D-linemen) rather than throw it in an arc over the line. But like I said, I have no idea if Navarre did this.

Michigan4Life

March 25th, 2011 at 6:29 PM ^

with the way he's holding the ball in dropback. It's very low which encourages low delivery.  John is 6'6" and shouldn't have his passes batted at LOS.  Like the poster said, he has a tendency to stare down recievers which makes it easier for DL to know where and when he'll throw the ball.

Salinger

March 25th, 2011 at 3:35 PM ^

Hoke requested this that the zone read clip be added to the video to prove to all of us doubting Thomas' that Denard will be able to run the ball.  Little did we know he was laughing maniacally behind the scenes...

Kermits Blue Key

March 25th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^

Not until he's on a game-winning drive against Ohio State and he bombs a last second pass into the newly-installed lights at Michigan Stadium and shards of glass and sparks rain down on everyone.  Unfortunately, Michigan would lose the game as a result. 

Ziff72

March 25th, 2011 at 3:10 PM ^

Looks like Karsch was on Mgoblog yesterday. They hit all the points in the video.

The power looks like it needs a lot of work.

They still have the zone read.

Magnus is right Cox looked good.

Who is #6 on defense?  Looked like a keeper on that tackle.

 

Does anyone know what are toughness drill is under Hoke?.  RR had the M drill where we had 3 levels of 1 on1's with the runner picking thru.  Hoke have the same or is he different?

 

PS No,,,I love Devin but he doesn't look like a natural.  He looks like a kid trying to get out of shot putting the football.    

Bodogblog

March 25th, 2011 at 4:26 PM ^

- Huyge puts a really nice block on J. Black
- The most I've seen Hawthorne in 3 years
- Somebody's putting thought into the vids - zone read isn't an accident
- TE's have to be loving Hoke.  I mean writing-him-long-love-letters loving him
- Jake Ryan (!) at :42, on the field with Martin, RVB, BWC, and Mike Jones (is Ryan at DE?)
- Yes Cox looks great on that one play, Furman on the other

Bodogblog

March 25th, 2011 at 3:43 PM ^

But if you meant how he moved so quickly past Gunderson to get there, I agree.  If he and/or Campbell can be playmakers at the the 3-tech...

But a little concerning give our lack of depth at OT.  Gunderson is only a RS Sophomore and a walk-on, but if injuries prevail it's likely he'll get playing time in the next 2 years.  Though I think it's pretty clear that's the scout team O.

papabear16

March 25th, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^

Gardner's release still troubles me.  It's hard to see clearly on the video because his release is fairly quick, but he's still really rotating the ball around when he throws.

Let me try to say this clearly.  Obviously, when a QB releases the ball, he wants the nose pointed at his target.  How the nose gets to that point can be important.  In an ideal world, the nose of the ball will be in the same vertical plane for a few instants before it is released.  (This is what is often meant by "coming over the top.")  With Devin, the ball is coming around, instead of over the top.

Thankfully, Devin's a good passer, and this doesn't seem to be bothering him much in practice.  The concern is what will happen under the far-from ideal situations in a game.  When it all hits the fan, an over-the-top QB tends to be more accurate.  He's also safer, because if he misses, the ball goes high or in the dirt.  That can be bad, but is often safely incomplete.

When a QB brings the nose around, however, a miss goes left or right, which can be very dangerous.

At the end of the day, it might not matter much.  Plenty of QBs are athletic enough and have good enough timing that they can be accurate under pressure with less-than-ideal mechanics.  Devin might prove to be one of those.  But I'd sleep better if he came over the top more.

From the few clips I've seen of Denard, by the way, he's coming over the top much better than he did last year.

(For those so inclined, i saw a YouTube video quite awhile ago of Joe Montana working wth his sons on this very point, and with the motions, he was explaining it very well.  I haven't searched for it, but it's probably still out there.)