Impressions from NU-ILL Game

Submitted by imdeng on

I did not watch the game - but I have read everythin available about the game and here are my preliminary thoughts - please add yours:

1. Losing Trumpy is significant for NU. Some posters mentioned here that the backups are as good as Trumpy - but the data and NU's bloggers don't think so - there is a significant dropoff. Even if Persa comes back, he will be limited in running - add that to the loss of Trumpy - and expect us to have an easier time stopping the run.

2. Brandon Williams, the NU Punter, is not good. His punts were: 35, 11 (out of bounds), 27 (fair catch), 37 (fair catch), 29 and 65 (!?) yards. We should get a fair amount of special teams yardage advantage on punts. Steve Flaherty, the Kickoff guy is pretty good though.

3. NU's secondary gives big plays. NU's bloggers are all blaming going into a 3 man rush after the lead for the extra time to the QB and resulting big completions - but even before that there were several 30+ yards pass plays. ILL's first series had a 40 yards completiond and the second series had a 36 yards completion.

4. NU had no business losing this game. ILL has 3 TOs and multiple stupid penalties (8 for 70 yards!) - and they managed to find a way to lose. I don't know how they can recover from that.

This will be an interesting game. My impression after all this quasi-reasearch is that we will shut down NU's ground game, give a lot of short passes and manage to pull out some really big plays against them.

Overall: Michigan 31 NU 16  

rmic2

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^

You make some good points, but I am really nervous about this game:

1) Our first road game every year is a disaster

2) Persa is the best QB we will see to date

3) NW will really be amped for this game

4) I hope we don't look ahead to MSU

EGD

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM ^

I don't know--our first road game of 2010 went pretty well.

Besides, playing at Northwestern is definitely beginner-level when it comes to road games.  Not only is their stadium a puny, unintimidating place, but it will be half-full of Michigan fans.

 

Dizzo

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM ^

2) Persa is the best QB we will see to date

This would be true if he hadn't just missed 25% of his first game back because of aggravating his achilles.  He's a guy who is dangerous because he makes plays with his feet, but that's not nearly as big of a threat right now as it was pre-injury.

4) I hope we don't look ahead to MSU

I think the coaches will keep the team focused on this game.  Remember, Pat Fitzgerald was rumored to have been offered the Michigan job in January, before Hoke got the call.  Maybe that's not true, maybe Hoke doesn't care about it, but if it was me, I would not want to lose to the guy your bosses potentially wanted more than you. 

 

sheepdog

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:58 PM ^

I agree with this BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT...

While there is no argument that he is the best of the three, is he LIGHT YEARS beyond Lindley or Rees? 

Keep in mind that Rees threw for 315 3/2 with the additional 198 yrds from Wood/Gray.

Lindley was 23/48 1/0 on the with 109 yards from Hillman, who is a legit top 10 back in the county this year.

With NW having a weak running attack and Persa limited in his running ability, is he really that scary? Maybe a little, but they won't be able to contain Denard/Toussaint/Smith - end of story.  If NW can put up some points, they still won't be able to stop our offense.

g_reaper3

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:20 PM ^

First I heard how Carder from Western was awesome - best in the state (which is bull because would you really want him over Denard?  I probably would even take Cousins and Gardner over Carder).  Then Lindley from SDSU was supposed to be awesome and now it is Persa.  I am sure next week we will hear how great Cousins is.  Then Sheelhause and Martinez will get rave reviews.

I am not saying that Persa and those other guys arent really good QB's, but lets not Brent Musberger the opponent's quarterback each week.

 

snoopblue

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:41 PM ^

Trumpy isn't the best back, but he has grit. He'll fight for yards after contact like it's for his life. So I think the drop-off is probably in grit and a little talent. I guess it could be a little unpredictable because I don't think anyone really knows which back will step up in his absence, and if a back doesn't step up Persa might go Air Raid on us. Could be a long day for the secondary. I think Michigan wins, but it will be a good test on the road against a opponent that isn't as bad as Minnesota is.

Dizzo

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:43 PM ^

Another interesting piece of data here is that because Persa is playing, Northwestern essentially loses their best two backs for the game.  Trumpy is gone with the ACL injury, and with Persa in it keeps Kain Colter, their leading rusher, on the sidelines too.  So you have a QB with a partially recovered achilles injury and backup RBs.  I wish I had a good image for "one dimensional."  My guess is they are going to work like crazy this week on packages that have both QBs on the field at the same time.

BrownJuggernaut

October 3rd, 2011 at 2:48 PM ^

I've watched a couple of Northwestern's games this season, this game and the BC game. Northwestern has a good well coached team, but their main difference maker is Persa. They really should have taken it to BC, but Colter isn't the QB that Persa is yet. He could be in the future, but he isn't right now. When Persa is on the field, that whole team ratchets it up a notch. If you look at their drive chart, once Persa went out, their drives just weren't as good both in terms of scoring points and taking time of the clock. They sort of stagnated even though they had an 11 point lead. Part of it is balance. Northwestern is a rush heavy offense, but it seemed they rushed the ball even more once Persa was out. 

I've felt that Northwestern has been an overlooked team the last couple seasons, so I think this will be a test for our Wolverines. However, I think it's a test that we will pass with flying colors. 

Michigan 34, Northwestern 13.

Salinger

October 3rd, 2011 at 3:09 PM ^

Lets just hope the coaching staff can keep this squad focused.  Looking ahead to MSU seems like a very likely achilles heel and I'd hate to see the team miss a chance to beat a good Northwestern team.  Saturday can't come soon enough.

Blue in Yarmouth

October 3rd, 2011 at 3:13 PM ^

and neither one impressed me too much. Persa is a wildcard. If he is healthy and ready to go he could make a big difference, but with him being limited, I think it takes a lot out of their offense and makes them too one dimensional.

Even if he were healthy though, we practice week in and week out against the best dual threat QB in the country so I think we would handle them either way. I was worried about this game early on, but after watching the way our defense has played so far I think they give up a number of long drives but force a couple turnovers and fieldgoals that lead to a lopsided victory. UM 42- NU 10.

markusr2007

October 3rd, 2011 at 3:17 PM ^

That's freaking scary, I don't care who you're playing.

And that's before considering his 71% completion rate.  It's sad about his injury, because he was a very exciting runner in their spread option attack.

What's not scary is NW's offensive line in pass protect: 10 sacks ytd and no significant run threat remaining for the team except the other quarterback, Kain Colter, who will likely be on the sidelines to start the game wearing a Motorola headset.

At one point earlier this season, I thought Michigan might lose this game. Serously.  But now Michigan has a lot more momentum.  And Michigan is healthy (knock on wood).

Also, either Illinois' rushing offense is regressing, or NW made some major corrections in one week. They held the Illini to 82 yards on the ground. Not too shabby vs. Scheelhaase, Ford and Co.

 

 

Baldbill

October 3rd, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^

with regard to Illinois rushing attack. I think since they got so far behind, they basically went pass heavy as the game wore on, just to make up the difference.

I think NU will want to come out and establish its run game, Michigan needs to hold them here and force them into more passing situations where I think they are not quite as good.

 

imdeng

October 3rd, 2011 at 3:36 PM ^

I believe its the opposite, they have a much better pass attack than run (especially if Persa is not 100%). The outrage in blogosphere after the IL game is mainly because they did not use their passing game enough and went to run for killing clock which was ineffective.

Moleskyn

October 3rd, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^

I think this is going to be a big test for our secondary. My guess is that, due to Northwestern's porous OL and average defense, they're going to fall behind early and have to pass a lot. If Persa is able to play the whole game, he'll give our secondary a run for their money. Because of that, I think we'll see Floyd/Avery/Countess emerge from this game with a lot of confidence because they defended the pass well against a very compitent passer (giving them a big boost heading into the matchup against Cousins), or they'll drop the ball (figuratively) and there will be a lot of question marks heading into East Lansing. Three weeks ago, I would have hesitated before saying our secondary has what it takes to rise to the occasion, but from what I've seen lately, I feel pretty confident that our secondary will do very well.

StephenRKass

October 3rd, 2011 at 5:38 PM ^

Michigan will hang 40 on NU. We won't shut them out. But 41-14 is still a beat down, and Michigan is going to be jacked and focused to kill Sparty the week after.

WolvinLA2

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:15 PM ^

Taking a look at Northwestern's stats on ESPN, it looks like they'll have a hard time rushing the ball this week against us.  Last week, Persa had 9 rushing attempts for -3 yards, meaning his sack yardage was greater than his positive rushing.  Last year he averaged about 50 rushing yards per game, meaning he's either not looking to run because of his achilles or he's not able to.  Either way, this is a positive. 

Outside of Persa, there won't be much of a threat.  With both Kolter and Trumpy on the sideline, this leaves freshman Treyvon Green, Jacob Schmitt and Adonis Smith as their main options at RB.  The three of them combine for 354 yards and 4 TDs between them, which isn't bad.  However, that's over 89 carries which is just under 4 yards per carry.  Not much of a homerun threat as the long between the three of them is 15 yards. 

Against Illinois, it seemed that Green was the main guy, when Kolter or Trumpy weren't getting the ball.  Green carried the ball 17 times for 67 yards (3.9 per), no TDs and a long of 8.  Jacob Schmitt carried the ball 6 times for 14 yards (2.3 per) and a TD.  He also had 3 catches for 40 yards.  Adonis Smith only had one rush and it was for a loss of one yard.  Against Illinois, that trio rushed for 80 yards on 24 carries, 3.3 yards per rush, and one TD.

WolverineHistorian

October 3rd, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^

Being 5-0 going in to the Northwestern game gives me flashbacks to horrible memories of 1995 and 1996 with epic 4th quarter collapse games against the Wildcats.  I can still remember Lloyd looking relieved after the final seconds ticked off in the 97 game when a 4-0 start was finally saved. 

Granted, those NU teams were much better than the one we are facing this weekend, the memories don't go away. 

We have no idea how we are going to look on the road.  But I don't think we could have asked for a better road opener in that high school like stadium which will be filled with a ton of Michigan fans.  With the exception of the Eastern Illinois game, Northwestern has been in a dog fight every week.  I feel good about our chances.     games

bacon

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:03 PM ^

Persa is a good QB, but he's not the best we've faced so far this year, at least according to CBS sports. In terms of NFL draft rankings, they list Lindley at #8 and Persa at #34 in terms of likely QBs coming out.  Granted, being a good college QB and being a good NFL prospect aren't exactly the same thing, but there's a pretty decent correlation. I think that we shouldn't overlook NU, but we should feel pretty confident that if our defense plays up to their potential, they can handle the NU offense. 

WolvinLA2

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 PM ^

I put very little stock into that.  The pretty decent correlation you refer to only applies when it's a pro-style QB, which Lindley is and Persa really is not.  Persa projects lower because he doesn't have ideal size for the NFL, and because the skills that make him dangerous in college (mobility) don't translate as well to the NFL. 

I promise you Denard wouldn't be very high on that list either, it doesn't mean that opposing teams aren't afraid to face him.

BlueDragon

October 3rd, 2011 at 9:45 PM ^

Due to lack of RBs, NW will come out in a suprise Mike Leach-style offense with 4 WR on each play and all parts of the field treated as 4-down territory.