I'm not feeling the 8 wins and RR is gone memes (long)
The title says it all. I was listening to a sports talk station in SEC country earlier today and some how the host got on the subject of Big Ten Football and eventually got to Michigan which led to him making the statement that RR had to win eight to keep his job. Fine ill informed local honk the reads National media makes ill informed comment I let it go.
Until I started thinking about of the Michigan fans that parrot those same comments. I understand everyone has an opinion and should express it, but should'nt that opinion have some basis in fact?
Heres the deal with me. I don't know if or what the magic number of wins is for RR to keep his job but based on the comments from Dave Brandon he alluded that there are no magic numbers, Jim Brandstatter whom I assume is a relative insider also reflects the same. thoughts discuss
Next time just stick your finger into the cigarette lighter it will be less painful.
local radio guy said was not painful at all really. He does not have the time or the audience to cater to news that specific from other teams or conferences. But, Michigan fans that parrot 7 wins 8 wins or point to specific games such as OSU, ND,and or MUS as must win come off less than informed. I myself don't really know what bench marks RR has to hit Obviously. Really we won't know his fate until the end of the season. One other factor to consider for those who still cling to a set number of wins, theres the sticky little matter of RR's contract and the economics of a buy out, new coaching search, and pay for a new coach to consider.
boring day, sticky subject, devise issue
I don't think so. I tried the finger in the cigarette lighter when I was about 12, and never equaled the pain again till I passed a kidney stone.
If we can give Tommy Amaker 6 years, we can give RR 4.
expectaions might be a tad different
Thus the 6 years to 4 years.
Expectations may be different be we aren't an OMGZ FIREZ him NOW SEC program. It takes longer than a few years to build the program to the level where we can compete for a national championship and/or a trip to the Rose Bowl every year.
Nick Saban also boots kids off of his team that have been there for 3 or 4 years, for no reason other than the fact that he has to make room for a more highly regarded freshman.
Yeah, that's the guy we want to be comparing ourselves to in terms of the way we run our program.
I think you skipped a few steps when you said:
It takes longer than a few years to build the program to the level where we can compete for a national championship
National championship? How about going .500? How about beating Illinois? How about beating State and ending the stream of horse shit from Valenti and the like? No one is saying RR must win a NC this year, but it's very reasonable to expect that we can at least instill fear into MAC teams and regain respect nationally.
How about STFU.
You hate RR. RR is our corch. Get over it plz.
How about STFU.
You hate RR. RR is our corch. Get over it plz.
Are you 12? I'm just wondering because if you are, you're not the most intellectually talented pre-teenager. You tell me (in text shorthand) to "shut the fuck up"? You also used "plz". Dude, I'm not a fucking child. You need to learn to respect your elders. More importantly, if you're a "Michigan Man" you need to learn respect for a fact-based discussion and, maybe, a bit of respect for yourself.
I don't "hate" RR. I don't know him. I do, however, hate the record he has posted over the last two years. I love Michigan, a University and football program that is (and always will be) bigger than one coach.
You made up, for the sake of your sycophantic admiration of RR, a claim that folks demand a National Championship in year 3. No. No one does. I merely said that we can't lose to teams like Illinois and need to regain national respect. If you disagree with that, then I've got a Brian Ellerbe to sell you.
p.s. RR is not a "corch". He's a "coach". He just hasn't proven to be a good one yet. I'm hoping he does so this year. You're just hoping his kisses your cheek so you never have to wash it again. That being said, too da loo muthafuckaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
Did he touch a nerve? You berate his insult, then insult him the same exact way. Back to square one.
No way we dump RR without giving him at least a full 4 !
Um yeah, but wasn't it a mistake to keep Amaker 6 years (or Ellerbe even 1)?
You hear it said that the Michigan fans won't tolerate more Rich Rod losses. The reality is he works for DB not us. If he can keep his boss happy he has a job. Dave B has said that he wants progress and doesn't say wins.
An announcer once asked Bum Phillips what it takes to coach in the NFL. Bum said, "An owner who will hire you." Same for RR.
Yeah, but only Al Davis would be crazy enough to make RR a NFL coach.
game that will decide RichRod's fate is Wisc. Yes I know there are some huge games before that, however my feeling is at that point in the season the team should show marked improvement or it may be time for a change.
That is not even to say that RichRod needs to beat Wisc to keep his job. It is to say though that if the badgers get back on their bus to go to the airport after the game with an indifference to Michigan football having easily beaten them then it might be time to make a change at the helm. However if Wisc gets back on their bus with the sentiment of "That sucked!!!" having to chase those guys all over the field, and we were lucky to get the win (if in fact they do) then I think RichRod derserves a chance to see what he can do in 2011.
Won/loss record for this season should not be the sole reason to base the hiring/firing of Rich Rod. If we lose the first few games of the year, but get increasingly better, sharper, meaner, tougher, faster, more efficient throughout the year, and by the Wisc game we look like a well oiled machine, Rich Rod deserves to come back.
MHO
be more competetive in the big ten........
While I appreciate your assertion here, and think you have a good point with your "by that point of the season" argument, the thread is about people who have nothing to do with the decision making strange conjectures about what it will take to win or lose. Therefore, it seems odd to respond with yet another conjecture.
I think the Michigan faithful should probably just state clearly our faith in DB to make a good decision, and move on -- not involving ourselves in groundless babbling.
Two reasons this doesn't make sense:
1) Brandon did not get this job without being damn smart. He's probably going to quite literally evaluate all phases of the program - so the idea that there's some bar out there doesn't quite fit with what a CEO would actually do.
2) Moreover, who was the last football coach we let go? DB of the unshakeable pimp hand also understands tradition, which means we need to give RR time to implement the system that he needs to win....
Is it me or are people hoping that RR gets fired?If so you need to change teams because RR will be here for at least ten more years.Once we win 9 or 10 games this year,he will be able to get the TOP players.Another thing why do yall think we can't start 2-0?
We definitely can, but just don't think it's the end of the world if we're 1-1.
A nickel for every question to national sportswriters from people like "Clint from Cedar Rapids, Iowa" wondering whether "RichRod can ever make his gimmick offense work in the ARRGGHHHH SMASHMOUTH Big 10." I think there's definitely some wishful thinking going on there. Even if they don't fear RichRod they'd probably like to see Michigan Football get humiliated.
Please...Please can we stop this notion that there are only two offenses in college football???
It seems that a lot of folks (especially on this blog, but not many other places) feel that there exists either 1) the RR spread, or 2) the Lloyd pro style. Hopefully, RR (this year) sheds the worst two seasons in the last 50 years of Michigan football and puts some serious W's on the board. Who wouldn't be happy with a winning team on the field and some momentum going forward? I'd be very interested to see how he could recruit without other teams pointing to our dogshit record.
That being said, it's ridiculous to think no one could do a better job coaching the players now on the squad. RR hasn't exactly proven that he's a superhero, so let's drop the nonsense about how we are "married" to the spread and no one can do better. We can be "married" to whatever style of offense a head coach puts on the field. It might be the spread. It might be a pro style. It's possible, however, that we end up with a hybrid offense. Yes. That exists.
Go Blue! Support the team and university, not just the coach.
Brandon is a business operator. Win/Loss is not the only factor involved in a decision w/r/t firing someone. He's the type that sees the whole forest, not just individual trees.
Let people think what they may, you can't control that. Just smile with glee, knowing that it's not going to matter... people are in for a surprise this season.
I do believe we're all going to be pleasantly surprised with the team we field this year. Sure lots of question marks and yes I'd be lying if i said the anxiety level wasn't bordering redline. That said RR has most of the pieces in place and if nothing else there is a lot of 'heart' on the defensive side. Been around a while and this is as excited as I can ever remember being going into August. A few of the younger guys step on on 'D' and we're gonna be fine ! Good post...Great blog. Go Blue !
There is going to be a slim margin for what keeps RR safe and what doesn't, and I really hope a few bad bounces don't doom our program for the next 5 years. The best team doesn't always win and with our youth and ?s in the secondary I'm scared that a bad start could put us in a serious hole. That being said, I think there is a legitimate chance Denard single handledly destroys both these teams.
I don't think that all that many people want RR fired, but I do think that those who do are extremely vocal about it. Consequently, it could give the wrong impression to those in the national media. After Brandstatter's interview the other day, I'm not so sure there is a "magic number."
I am pretty sure, though, that it will all be a moot point by about the end of October, and that many of those now clamoring for his firing will be telling us how they "had RR's back all along.".
What he needs is a better record in the Big Ten this year. If he has a winning record in that category then we'll most likely have a winning record. I think everyone just wants Michigan to have a winning record and head to the bowl game. I hope RR stays because if some trigger happy people from above dislike a season that ends up at 7-5 then we are doomed for the rest of humanity. We are absolutely doomed if RR is fired.
Personally, I'm impressed that a local SEC country hack would be discussing Michigan. Yeah, UM IS still relevant after two crappy seasons.
But "basis in fact" and "opinion" are pretty much mutually exclusive, are they not? There are, as we have come to find out lately, no such things as "facts" WRT UM athletics in general, and UM football in particular.
I'd have called the guy to get a Michigan fan's opinion on the air, mentioned 23-5, and kept the conversation going.
And I'd say 8-4 looks good for Rodriguez unless the four losses are to biggies and rivals, and we look like shit in those games. Of course, 8-4 would be made even more tenuous if it includes a loss to Michigan State.
The outcome of the MSU game will set the tone for the remainder of the Big Ten season and give the team the confidence that it can be successful. MSU may not be a must win, but with Iowa and Penn St right behind it could start a stretch similiar to last seasons implosion. 7-5 witha bowl game and Rich Rod stays. The expectations and schedule set the team up for conference title contention in 11'.
But if they come into Ann Arbor and beat uM this year, that "little brother" shit should pretty much be retired.
We're already crossing into idiot territory by using it at this stage anyway.
on your posting frequency today and your point total?
Points aren't supposed to be discussed. I'm as concerned with points as I am what you use to clip your toenails with.
I'm as concerned with points as I am what you use to clip your toenails with.
I use a light sabre; a blue one of course.
If you want numbers, 6-7 wins gets RR another year, 8-9 give him 2, and 10+ gets him a contract extension. That's just my epinion, though.
The key is showing marked improvement. The spring game raised hopes for a lot of people, and it's time to see if the offense can truly take off. Showing that RR's main strength, the offense, can work in the Big Ten is key, and an improved defense would be nice too. Absolutely destroying MSU would help a lot.
I will bet all $45.98 in my IRA that six wins will see Rodriguez's resume posted on Monster.com on November 24th.
The season doesn't end until the 27th, unless you think we'll have 6 wins before we play OSU which would cause David Brandon to fire RR before the OSU game.
Six wins will see Rodriguez's resume posted on Monster.com on November 28th.
6-6 is bowl eligible, do you really think he will be fired after taking this very young team to a bowl game? I think not.
There is about zero chance RR keeps his job with 6 wins. Maybe...maybe if he beats MSU soundly and all loses are by 3 points or less. Then...maybe he would keep his job.
...but I think RR likely believes that the 8 win threshold is really important (and attainable). With that, a win over either OSU or MSU is pretty imperative as well.
Another observation: Being an old timer, it pains me to see OSU dominate the series of late. It's getting to the point that the rivalry itself is becoming diminished by the one-sided nature of the recent outcomes. I've felt RR hasn't paid enough lip service to the importance of the rivalry (probably to lower fan expectations). Sweater vest made it THE issue the moment he was hired in Columbus and it seems to permeate their program.
Just venting...
Like it or not we have to realize that a large percentage of our customer base are donors. Many of that persuasion do not care for the "hillbilly coach" (not my words).
If we have a 7 or even 8 win season with a bad loss or two (OSU, MSU, ND) and a certain former QB is available for hire................................
To igore the money base is not possible. It can be quieted down but it cannot be ignored. We cannot lose to Purdue or MSU or Illinois three years in a row and get crushed against OSU. They will not stand for it especially if JH is in waiting.
The good thing about all this talk is that it is over one way or another this year.....................thanks gawd!!!
If Michigan only wins 6 games with this cake schedule, I will personally fire RR.
Just make sure to let Dave Brandon know, so he can start the coaching search.
You think M will win only 6? Oh ye of little faith.