How good can Jake Rudock be?

Submitted by massblue on

There was a diary several days ago about how productive Rudock or Morris could be. It compared Jake to other UM's senior QBs of the past.  I am not sure that is very useful because so many factors have to be taken into account.  It is very difficult to predict either QBs' likely performance but more so for Morris because we have so little evidence.  However, we have a lot of evidence about Jake

The best way to predict how Jake is likely to perform is to look at this own progress: Here are his numbers from the last two years:

2013: games: 13  Effic: 126.5  A/C/Int: 204-346-13  %: 59.0  Yrds: 2383  TD: 18  Av: 183.3 

2014: games: 12  Effic: 133.5  A/C/Int: 213-345-5  %: 61.7  Yrds: 2436  TD: 16  Av: 203.

 

Jake made substantial improvements.  Still, I cannot understand why he was benched.  If he continues the same improvement (especially under Harbaugh), he should be 2nd All BIG next year and better than most QBs, including the 2014 version of Conner Cook.  

Here are the figures for Conner:

2013: 14  135.53  223-380-6   58.7 2755  22  196.8

2014: 13  149.4    212-365-8  58.1  3214  24  247.2 

I understand that Conner had good supporting casts both years, but I think UM's offensive supporting cast of 2015 is not that much below MSU's cast of 2013/2014. 

If he makes the same progress as he did from 2013 to 2014, we should see a significant improvement in our offensive output.  May be 10 wins.

Go Blue in MN

July 4th, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^

Shane would be a better fit in 2015 if we had WRs who are a vertical threat.  Since we don't, I think we have to go with the steady Rudock, who can convert 3rd downs and not turn the ball over.  If the O-Line continues its 2014 improvement, I think 2nd team all BIG for Rudock is a realistic goal.  And if that occurs, 10 wins is also realistic.  In turn, our recruiting would absolutely blow up (in a good way) if we win 10 in Harbaugh's first year.   

Lakeyale13

July 4th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^

If Shane Morris wins the job that means we don't have any good quarterbacks. Remember, he couldn't beat out a QB who was a turnover machine. That isn't a jab at the character of either Gardner or Morris, just an objective observation based off of play. Now, is it possible that Hole was such a bad developer of QB's and Funch such a bad coach of the OL that it would t matter if Brady was our QB last year....possibly. But it just looks like he was totally lost and over his head.

bacon1431

July 4th, 2015 at 4:24 PM ^

Personally, I think the opposite. If Shane wins the job then that means he's improved immensely and earned it. We know what Rudock is - game manager that will limit mistakes. If Shane wins, it means Harbaugh thinks that we are better with Morris in. Rudock as a game manager is our baseline for the Qb position and it's not a wretched place to be. 

evenyoubrutus

July 4th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^

Tbh I am super excited about Jake Rudock coming in and being a solid rock for the offense to depend on but part of me is still rooting for Shane Morris to win the job. I think that he, just like Devin and Denard, has seen a ton of adversity and still has such a positive attitude and determination. I also think he is a really good fit for a Harbaugh offense. He may have the best speed of any QB on the roster right now and he is always a threat to pick up yards with his feet if he gets flushed from the pocket. It is really just a matter if the game slowing down for him. If he has a coach who knows which buttons to push it could really come together.

EGD

July 4th, 2015 at 4:39 PM ^

Whenever I see Morris play, I feel like he just doesn't have that "it" factor that successful quarterbacks have. Strong arm? Yes. Accuracy? Getting better. Running ability? Some. Leadership? Sure. But he just hasn't shown that he can make things happen on the field. I hope he finds it, but I'm pretty doubtful at this point--especially after his rough showing in the spring game.

We'll be Champions

July 4th, 2015 at 9:27 PM ^

You've seen him play, like, twice in a real game both in sketchy circumstances. First, in a bowl game where he actually I thought played fine for freshman playing for the sole reason that the starter was hurt. And you saw him v Minny and he got  a week with the first team. I still think Morris will win the job

EGD

July 5th, 2015 at 9:12 AM ^

Fair enough. But I was hoping to see a big leap forward from him this spring; there was maybe a little hop. Morris could still put it together this fall and I hope he does, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he can just become a capable backup to Rudock. Barring injury, I frankly don't see any realistic way Morris wins the starting job.

wahooverine

July 5th, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^

Yeah agreed. Usually special QB talents show you glimpses of their future potential even when they're raw and inexperienced. You can see they have "it". Never seen that from Shane. Just a big arm. Seems to stare down his his primary receiver and then gun it kinda like Cutler. No play making ability. We'll find out the truth very soon though. The season can't start soon enough.

Hail Harbo

July 4th, 2015 at 2:58 PM ^

Are you anticipating that Michigan will lose a number of games were Rudock be the QB and thus a change of pace will be required?  I ask because mid-season is MSU week and I can't think of any good reason to change horses midstream if you're fixing to ford some rough water and the horse you're riding has been getting the job done.  Or are you of the mind that whomever will gain some great experience from the sideline?

 

Farnn

July 4th, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^

I don't think it will be losing, but just look at SF where Smith was doing fine and he gets replaced by Kaepernick after going down with an injury for a game.  Not saying it's going to happen, just that I wouldn't be surprised if someone overtakes Rudock during the season and starts. Unlikely for MSU, but the next few games would be a great time to get a new QB good experience.  Ruddock can't be the future since he's only got a year, so if someone else is equal to him, it makes more sense to start them.

alum96

July 4th, 2015 at 3:31 PM ^

Magnus has hinted there wont be a rs for Gentry.  There are QBs across the country starting as rs fr in their 2nd year without any playing time as true freshman so if that is accurate it would lead me to believe Harbaugh is really not impressed with Shane or Speight or Malzone.  We'll see.

If there is any switch or platoon brought out I think it doesnt happen until post MSU/@Minn.  At home v rutgers followed by that HS defense that Indiana brings out every year the next week seem like the spots to do it.   So that is week 9 and 10.  On the road vs a feisty and well coached Minn defense doesnt make sense to me.

If UM blows out UNLV like it should it will be interesting who (a) the 2nd QB is in and (c) if a 3rd QB plays (and the 2nd is Morris) in the 4th Q will it be Malzone or Gentry.

Hail Harbo

July 4th, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^

If Morris is equal to Rudock in late October it stands to reason he would have been his equal in September.  Or are you predicting that either or both Morris gets better on the sideline while Rudock regresses on the field?

Please though, don't try to extrapolate what happened to an NFL team and apply it to a college team.  The circumstances are never the same not to mention the game is different.  I think if you asked him, Harbough would tell you that you play the games this season for this season, next year will take care of itself.

Lakeyale13

July 4th, 2015 at 1:49 PM ^

His stats and experience would suggest he can / is better than any other option we have currently. That being said, I don't discount Harbaugh being able to turn a talent like Morris around.

Dawkins

July 4th, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^

Morris will never start another game for michigan imo. If he does, it wont be pretty.

Morris has never so much as led a TD drive in his career, even though he's been given enough chances that he should have at least one under his belt by now if he were any good. Rudock has led several, and he's done so in some high pressure situations. Hands down, he's our starter.

BornSinner

July 4th, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^

This. I get that people have been rooting for Morris ever snce he came into Michigan as a pseudo-5 star local recruit, but the notion that Morris will drastically get better under Harbaugh while Rudock just stays the same is absurd. 

If they both get an equal amount of boost from Harbaugh, Rudock still comes out on top. Shit even if Morris gets a better boost from Harbaugh, Rudock is still better. 

Blue Carcajou

July 4th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^

Not to mention he has a ton of competition on his ass; Gentry, O'Korn, and Peters all seem to have higher ceilings. 

Wouldn't shock me if Speight transferred (or rode out his stay seeing as how he comes from money), Malzone was a career bench-rider, and Morris sticks it out until the end fighting for playing time. Either way (and I'm no expert, just reading the tea leaves from how things appear to be shaping up), I'm not sure if football is in Shane's future... 

... But he will certainly have his shot to prove us all wrong.

However, we can all agree on this - WHO CARES WHO OUR QUARTERBACK IS... as long as we WIN. 

 

befuggled

July 4th, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^

One against Kansas State in the 2013 bowl game and one against Minnesota. No, he hasn't looked good but the offense struggled for much of the last two years with Gardner so I wouldn't read too much into it.

I agree, though, that Ruddock is most likely the starter. However, I don't think Harbaugh is going to hesitate to play someone else if he thinks they'll play better.

BigBlue02

July 4th, 2015 at 2:58 PM ^

So, he does have a TD drive. Just because you've heard that doesn't make it true. Also, he's had a total of 3 starts under a coach whose offense came up with negative rushing yards in consecutive games. I wouldn't put too much on his performance so far. It's amazing how little faith everyone has in Harbaugh to bring out the best in our players. Everyone is quick to say that Morris hasn't shown us anything, but neither has any wide receiver or running back and the offensive line didn't look good until the end of the year. I'm just baffled that people would look at a small sample size of 3 games started under a coach who set records for offensive ineptitude and predict his future. How many players were extremely talented but sucked on RichRod's defense? Then Mattison came in and got the most out of them. I expect the same with Morris and the rest of the offense

CorkyCole

July 4th, 2015 at 4:21 PM ^

Even if he doesn't beat out Rudock, he still had a great shot to play the next season. We do, however, have a lot of potential at the QB position and no doubt do I think we will be good at the position for a long time coming under Harbaugh starting at the latest next season. Whether it's Morris or Gentry or any of the 100 QBs under the roster, one of those guys is going to hit their potential.

BigBlue02

July 4th, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^

I don't actually know who will start and I'm not predicting he will. I wasn't blaming the Oline or the last staff. It is as if you didn't read my post at all. I was simply saying Shane Morris could actually be good, but judging him off 3 starts (and a spring game, which you are apparently saying is quite important when evaluating his future) is silly. The entire offense was awful and I'm not sure why everyone thinks Shane is the reason. 3 total starts on some of the worst offenses in Michigan history and all the sudden we are writing off a true junior that has played under 3 different offensive coordinators. Maybe Shane isn't great, but I find it hard to believe we can say with certainty that he is a bust when he hasn't really been given a chance to succeed

Lakeyale13

July 4th, 2015 at 3:07 PM ^

I agree with you, Shane hasn't shown much that he can be a premier Big Ten QB (which should be the standard for a Michigan QB. I thought maybe it had to do with Hoke and a bad offensive line, but the tif bits that came back about Spring Practice are the same criticisms that we have heard about him since his time at Elite 11. That while he is a great character kid and leader, he wants to show how strong his arm is on EVERY throw and cannot make the passes that require finesse (probably because he is trying to throw the ball 100 mph). For such a good kid it makes me wonder why he can't change this when coaches have been telling him this for 3 years.

mackbru

July 4th, 2015 at 3:13 PM ^

I wouldn't pretend to know how things will turn out for Shane. I'm cautiously optimistic. The one thing that did strike me, while watching his limited playing time, was that he seemed smaller and more slight than the average gun-slinging pocket-passer type. Is this perception accurate? Or no?

wolverinebutt

July 4th, 2015 at 2:01 PM ^

With a good runing game we can win 8-10 games next year with Rudock and a couple of breaks.  I think the O-line will keep progressing.  Its the running backs that worry me.  

Our two big backs haven't got the job done.  Drake at the end of last year was the best back M has had for several years.  I hope he comes back in good form or Ty Issac is the real deal.     

  

Tyrone Biggums

July 4th, 2015 at 4:00 PM ^

I agree our win total will directly correspond to how good our running game produces. Last season we had three backs (Smith, Green, Johnson) with more than 350+ yards, but none with 600. The three also combined for a total of only 13tds.if they raise the rb td total to 20+ that along with top 15 D will equal 3+ wins from last seasons total. Im not sure if Drake will be healthy enough this season to contribute like he did at the end of the last. But with addition of the coaching staff, especially Wheatley, Drevno and Fitch. The addition of Isaac, an Oline with experience and a large dose of Harbaugh, we are gonna see a team with a marked improvement on offense. If Rudock comes in and wins the start, which I think he will. Rudock is a 5th yr, he's played in big games, he just has to be consistent with previous production, high completion rate 59%+, low ints (5-8), 18 - 22tds, that's at least 2 wins compared to what we had last year. The D although not spectacular kept us in almost every game. Along with the rush offense I expect the D to improve and have higher sack and turnover totals. If these things happen for us I see 10 wins. This team could be what we've all been waiting to see.

Code-7

July 4th, 2015 at 2:07 PM ^

Maybe I am wrong but I would be very surprised if Rudock wasn't the starter for season opener. The game time experience added with Harbaugh, and his staff, tweaking areas that need improvement will be the difference.

bacon

July 4th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

Morris may have a higher theoretical ceiling, but until he can lead the team to scores instead of turnovers, Jake will start. Morris may have missed his opportunity to win the starting job anyway for this year by not being the clear best QB in the spring. I think Jake's likely to be a good QB next year and start every game. Hopefully he doesn't turn the ball over too much. I'd expect that based on his Iowa QB experience.

bacon

July 4th, 2015 at 8:57 PM ^

Not really. He may have been ahead, but the reports out of camp weren't that great for any of the QBs on the roster.  That said, he did throw a TD pass in the spring game, and looked better than anyone else. Personally I'd rather Morris set the world on fire, but he just might not be the best qb on the roster this fall. Morris has the summer to improve and the competition is good for him, but he has to learn not to throw interceptions in games.  I think having a more experienced QB on the roster will help.  I think Morris sits more this year and is a great senior QB next year.

 

CarrIsMyHomeboy

July 4th, 2015 at 9:32 PM ^

I agree that he didn't set the world on fire. My post didn't need to fulfill that burden of proof to stand, though. You typed that Morris was not "clear[ly the] best QB in the spring," and my post was only meant to correct you on that one point, because Morris *was* clearly the best roster QB in the spring. Not because he was awesome, but because he was unequivocally better than the Malzone/Speight alternatives. Harbaugh admitted that much multiple times.



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theguy49503

July 4th, 2015 at 2:32 PM ^

If we can run the ball and Drake is ready to go as deep threat and all the other WR's make the plays they should (catch the catchable balls) he will be pretty good

uminks

July 4th, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^

I'm not sure he will beat OSU but I think he will have a chance against MSU! Who knows, JH could have that magic season like Bo did in '69! Then it will be playoffs forever, or until JH retires or leaves.