Hello Rod Moore
Defensive class as of May 10:
Rod Moore 3 star #378 overall
Tyler McLaurin 3 star #404 overall
Jaden McBurrows 3 star #627 overall
TJ Guy 3 star #782 overall
Casey Phinney 3 star NR
Dominick Guidice 3 star NR
This class is going to set Michigan football back for years. And we are now officially recruiting in Rich Rod/MSU territory. Seriously. Go back and look at Rich Rod's classes on defense and tell me how this is any different? Ryan Day is going to put up 50-60 every year on Harbaugh's head. Sad.
What she said after your first sexual encounter: “Sad.”
Are you sure she didn't say "baaaaa-d" ?
Don't be ridiculous. Inflatable dolls can't talk.
How much negative feedback do you need to get from this place before you go away?
You think I like posting about Harbaugh recruiting like he's coaching Iowa State. You think I like belaboring how UM continues to fall behind OSU? I don't. I would love to talk about all the top 247 recruits this staff is landing and how they are closing the gap against OSU. But the reality is they aren't doing any of that and I refuse to sit here and pretend that they are like the rest of you idiots. Lets have some honest conversations shall we? Our defensive staff is fucking horrible. Forget the fact that they gave 63 and 56 points to OSU the last two years, their recruiting has gone in the shitter. Like this is historically bad recruiting for Michigan if you take away the rich rod disaster. Harbaugh recruiting like a guy who's going to let his contract run out in two years, bolt, and then the new coach is stuck with a roster full of middling 3 stars. Then everyone says give the new coach time to rebuild everything.
Tired of waiting, it's been 20 fucking years. The head coach is making 8 million a year. DO YOUR FUCKING JOB JIM AND START RECRUITING ELITE TALENT. This isn't the best UM can do, not even close. Not going to sit here and pretend it is.
Nobody around these parts is operating under the delusion that you enjoy anything at all, Shawn. This has gone way past unhealthy obsession territory. I hope you have somebody in your life who cares about your mental wellbeing, and I hope they’re able to get your attention as easily as an “unworthy” 17 year old kid committing to play football for the University of Michigan does. For real, go fly a kite
You need professional help.
And the best thing other posters can do is completely ignore him.
The advice 'don't feed the trolls" never applies more than with Maizen. Engaging with him allows him to take over every topic he posts in. Hopefully the mods will do their job and boot him faster too.
That’s true but it’s fun taking him to school then watching him rearrange his arguments and then still flounder.
You may hate posting about it but every single person on this board hates reading your posts more. I don’t want to have a shit experience on this board because you derail every hello post with redundant negativity. We get it, your opinion has been noted, we don’t need to read it anymore.
So working the 247sports class calculator if Michigan’s crystal ball trends land them Edwards, Worthy, Somerville, Colson, Hood and Benny it will end up being Harbaugh’s best class he’s ever had. You’re still going to complain? Not even including what could change amongst the other in-state players as time goes along.
In prior years at this moment in time, several instances (Oliver Martin or Ben St-Juste) of recruits were listed as NR recruits, then vaulted into the top 100 by signing day. Just like Kareem Walker before his HS SR year was a bonafide 5 star then dropped to practically out of the entire rankings. Is this really a time to complain while UM has the #8 ranked class?
Seriously man, seek help.
I think it would be Harbaugh's third best class if all of those guys commit to Harbaugh. They are not close to 2017 when they had two 5 stars and 7 top 100 commits or 2016 when they had the overall number 1 commit and 6 top 100 commits.
Ha! Back then I thought Harbaugh was going to continue to land classes like those most years.
Wanna bet they don't land all those guys?
I have been following this blog since its inception and generally don't say much, but you are just unbearable. I have seen people come and go but shit dude... take a break. Nobody here has any authority within the program so pump the brakes on your preaching.
There is no “OUR,” you liar. You said that you attended The University of Michigan? Yeah like what were you a janitor at Mott? Sure you attended. I think they still have some opportunities for to take out the trash, and yourself.
You think I like posting about Harbaugh recruiting like he's coaching Iowa State.
Well, if you don’t enjoy it, you sure spend an inordinate amount of time intentionally doing something you claim to dislike intensely. I hate mowing the lawn, so I hire someone to mow mine, and don’t go around offering lawn services to my neighbors and the community.
There’s a phrase for the behavior that you’re exhibiting, it’s called “Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.” Nearly every post descends into a a debate to which there is no end. As I mentioned elsewhere, if the entire posting community of MGoBlog were to unanimously express their agreement with you, and have these “honest discussions” that your pine for, what then?
You call others idiots, yet you’re the grown person who is on a treadmill of banning and creating new accounts just to be able to holler at anonymous people on a message board. Does that sound sane to you? How many accounts have you created?
To be honest, I think there only two possible scenarios at play here: 1) you’re actually a Michigan fan but you’ve descended into insanity, and as such, you need psychological help; or 2) you’re being completely disingenuous and this entire outraged personality you present is nothing but a troll-job — in which case, please refer to scenario #1.
Which is it?
The time and effort people into trolling blows my mind. I pray you don’t have young children
“You think I like posting about Harbaugh recruiting like he's coaching Iowa State.”
yes I do
You couldn’t have said it any better. Facts are we will never beat Ohio state near future take that to the bank.
Then don’t post about it
You’re a worthless piece of shit.
Mental illness
3 star recruits are like colonoscopies. When I need them, I’m glad to have them, otherwise, I prefer not to have them.
Actually, I like 3 star recruits A LOT more than colonoscopies.
But hey, to each his own!
Happy Mother’s Day, Sean!!!
You are sad
You can make a very long list of 3-star kids that Harbaugh puts into the NFL,you can make a better ALL NFL TEAM from 3-stars, than the 4/5 star guys
Damon Arnette: 3 star #653 overall
Malik Hooker: 3 star #360 overall
Davon Hamilton: 3 star #998 overall
Robert Landers: 3 star #481 overall
Malik Harrison: 3 star #683 overall
Javontae Jean-Baptiste: 4 star #219 overall
Pete Werner: 4 star #277 overall
Tuf Borland: 4 star #324 overall #22 OLB
Chris Olave: 3 star #399 overall
Dawand Jones: 3 star NR
I can’t believe Harbaugh would recruit these guys, there is no way Michigan could win with these guys, what was he thinking taking their commitments? Oh wait, you mean the mighty Urban and Day took these commitments? Couldn’t be they stock their roster with numbers 1 through 85 in every class. They leave the 100-500s for everyone else. Trust me I’ve read it right here on this site. Meyer would never take Rod Moore, I mean he’s rated 300 spots higher than Arnette and literally right in line with Hooker and he’s a comparable guy. But OSU would never take guys like that.
Now do Nick Bosa, Chase Young, Justin Field, JK Dobbins, etc.
That's what I thought.
Rashan Gary, Braiden McGregor, Shea or JJ McCarthy, Charbonnet.
Rashan number 1 overall. Chase Young number 7.
Nick Bosa 8 overall. Braiden McGregor ended up 122 but was at 28 before he got hurt. Most projected him to end up a top 25 prospect before injury. You can debate this if you want I don’t care. McGregor would not have dropped like he did if he got to finish his senior year. He was destroying people. Bosa was definitely a better prospect, but McGregor before injury was a 5 star elite guy. He was just outside 5 star status when Michigan picked up his commitment.
Justin Fields 2 overall .998. Patterson 4 overall .998. Same exact rating.
JK Dobbins 46 overall. Zach Charbonnet 46 overall.
Let’s keep going. Michigan’s guys equal .982 overall rating. Even with McGregors drop. OSUs guys equal .992 overall rating. Had McGregor played his senior year healthy this would be even closer. You’re confused about what the difference between OSU and Michigan is. It’s simple. OSU has had 3 heisman level QBs more often than not. Barrett, Fields. Haskins, Miller, Smith, Pryor. Every single one of those guys was a top 5 college player. Michigan’s QBs have been “good” in the same time frame. And that is literally the difference. Everyone with a clue understands that. Harbaugh needs to do more and no one wants to continue losing to OSU and lose bowls games. But the world isn’t ending. Michigan is right in line with historical levels. I’ve seen the stuff you’ve pushed about the Big Ten titles and all that with Carr, etc. but you’re not looking at the big picture. Harbaugh would have won at least 5 Big Ten titles from 95 to 05 too with the talent Michigan had and the weak Big Ten.
Nice fact checking. I’m surprised at how close the ratings are, mainly because it seems osu is recruiting at an incredible clip. Well done. Another poster just posterizing this fool with truth.
What’s crazy is just based on recruiting if you knew nothing else, you would almost have to take Michigan’s QBs over OSUs since 2015.
Jack Miller - .895, CJ Stroud - .978, Justin Fields - .998, Gunner Hoak - .848, Matt Baldwin - .895, Tate Martell - .973, Haskins - .956, Joe Burrow - .900
OSU is right at .930.
Alex Malzone - .898, Brandon Peters - .968, Dylan McCaffrey - .943, Joe Milton - .920, Shea Patterson - .998, Cade - .905, Villari - .846, JJ - .989, Gentry - .924
Michigan is at .932. If you assume Martell, Burrow, And Peters still transfer out. Plus Gentry becomes a tight end. Michigan becomes .928 and OSU becomes .927.
QB has been the difference maker and just based on recruiting overall or once you consider guys who left or converted Michigan is ahead.
Which I why I say the issue is somewhere with our player development and or player utilization in relation to our scheme, not our starz. We aren't recruiting nearly bad enough to justify the annihilations we've received.
MJ your post is right on - but let me finish it with this thought.
I've always thought that we had issues with identifying real talent - regardless of the star ratings.
Again, regardless of star ratings, we seem unable to coach up the talent. Gary, DPJ, Patterson, Peppers, etc. As good as they were, I don't think anyone can argue they left AA as somewhat of a disappointment.
It's probably a combination of the two but it is lethal - the star ratings matter not - it is the ability to identify someone you think can grow beyond current ranking and then know that as a staff you can coach them up.
I don’t disagree at all. I’ll say this, I think Harbaugh has a great eye for talent. From there I don’t know what to think, because as you say others have underachieved. But there are also tons of guys who have overachieved. I think Gattis is going to be a great improvement with helping run the offense and I know people aren’t overwhelmingly happy about Shoop but he should also help with development. Shoop may not be an elite recruiter but he is very good at development. And he’ll help Brown with some scheme stuff. I honestly don’t think Michigan is far off. The offense needs to run stuff where they take what is given to them and I think you’ll see that even more this year. This is why I’m willing to see how this year plays out.
With the changes this year on defense and the continuity for offense I think we see a step up. I fully expect Michigan to have either 1 loss or no losses going into OSU. 2 or more would be concerning. I’m not saying never move on from Harbaugh, but at least it seems he sees his weaknesses and tries to address them. Maybe a season later than we would like. I think the staff right now is a pretty good mix. Good development and good recruiters. I think the more wins this year the easier recruiting will be. It’s hard to recruit when you haven’t won the Big Ten in a while. If they get to play the whole schedule, I think Michigan beats Washington and it immediately creates some good buzz for the team.
If you think the only difference between Michigan and osu has been only the qb you my friend are crazy. That is a huge part, but the FACT is osu has numerous players go in the 1st round of continuous drafts while Michigan has a couple. Not mention coach has been lopsided
I mean there's definitely a difference in taking 2-4 lower-rated flyers per class vs. a half a class full of those guys.
In Harbaugh/Michigan's case a lot of those guys eat up valuable scholarships for 3-4 years before they get processed out. Ohio State has a few of those to every once in a while, but not an impactful quantity, plus they hit/develop those lower-rated guys they do take at a similar or higher rate than Harbaugh and co.
You’re padding your stats with top 250 4-star players. That’s kind of silly when generally the top 40 guys are blue chip and 41-300 are 4s. 301-375 are borderline. In fact, Malik Hooker was the highest rated 3-star in that class, which had 15 players in the top 250 and 1 just outside of it.
Nobody should think 3-stars are individually bad, but a team made up of 3-stars is statistically predicted to (and historically shown to) perform worse than teams that have more 4 and 5s. Hooker and Arnette were in a DB room full of 4 and 5 star guys they had to outperform, outwork, and develop with.
Brown has recruited well overall for three straight classes. This is the first year in last four where there’s a glut of three-stars (if that holds true).
People don't like to hear the truth. They're still living in the fantasy that Michigan will somehow compete for a national title under Coach Harbaugh, because he is so great, along with the rest of the coaches, at coaching up all these three star players. You don't have to be big, strong, fast, quick, or have good technique, all you have to do is pick Michigan oh, you'll get a bump in your rankings, and you will still go 8 and 4 in the regular-season every year. OSU was probably going to start claiming its main rival is one of the schools in the state Ohio. Michigan and Michigan State offer no rivalry. In fact, Michigan State is probably a better rival than Michigan.
This is not the final defensive list of signees, not are their rating settled (though how much will change if no football, but that’s a tangent). They’re still on a few good to great recruits at all three phases in 2021. It’s underwhelming in the current moment, and it will lead to bad depth behind the 2020’s fantastic defensive class in a three years if 2019 class (which was also very good, with two 5s) doesn’t pan out and 2022 is filled with 3-stars. Looking at just one class or half a class is a fool’s errand for optimism or pessimism, depending on which piece of the larger puzzle you isolate.
Looks like a Purdue class...
You had this typed up and waiting for a 3 star to drop. What a sad life you lead in Ohio.
Hell yeah!
Preppie>>>> AC
Nerd>>>Preppie>>>AC
Man this is a weird recruiting class. It started off so promising with a 5 star QB but seems we weren't able to capitalize on that early momentum. I guess we'll see how things pan out but the results the past 2 years, especially defensively, don't warrant a "trust the coaches" mentality anymore.
We already know how it's going to pan out. OSU will kick our ass, we lose the bowl game, and then we lose another 1-2 games because our talent level is closer to the rest of the big ten than it is to OSU.
This class on defense is a trainwreck. How sad is it that PJ Fleck at Minnesota has a better class than Jim Harbaugh at Michigan right now. MINNESOTA! Holy shit.