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Yes you can!
I met him once. Seemed like a sincere, cool dude.
He's still cool.
Ah yeah s'alright
This is great news but we'll have to make sure to ignore it when a 5 star who was never going to come here indeed does not come here.
Another pull by coach Clink!
I think this is big for Click, yesterday there were some people sour about CB recruitment but Click is still one of our best recruiters. Our edge position seems fine, and even corner is good thanks to Johnson, McBurrows, Hill, and Walker for next few years (plus Ewald coming soon).
Agreed and it's weird nobody says anything about Jesse Minter who is a full coordinator but a complete zero in recruiting
Jesse Minter who is a full coordinator but a complete zero in recruiting
What is this based on? I haven’t heard anything about Minter being a zero in the recruiting department. He’s the DC and coordinators typically don’t have a major role in individual recruitments unless the coordinator also happens to be a position coach*. They’ll chip in with major recruits but most of the hands-on recruiting is done by the position coach so they won’t get a ton of credit.
*- for example, Sherrone Moore is also the OL coach in addition to being the OC. So he does quite a bit of recruiting with OL prospects. If he were just the OC, that responsibility would fall to whomever is coaching the OL and Moore would chip in with major recruitments.
Well, Minter is listed as the primary recruiter for a single player, the LB Walker. All time, he is listed as a recruiter for 5 total players.
https://247sports.com/Coach/Jesse-Minter-1775/
Clink is also a defensive coordinator, and he's pulled 5 of our best recruits in just this cycle. Sherrone Moore is the offensive coordinator, and his work speaks for itself.
Clink is also a defensive coordinator, and he's pulled 5 of our best recruits in just this cycle. Sherrone Moore is the offensive coordinator, and his work speaks for itself.
Re-read what I said. Both Clink and Moore are ALSO position coaches. Meaning they’re in charge of recruiting their respective positions. Minter is JUST a DC. Meaning since he doesn’t have a specific position to recruit, he’s tasked with chipping in on priority recruits but is rarely going to be designated the primary recruiter (typically their position coach or coach with connections to the area, school or player will be the primary).
It's a nice theory but it doesn't seem to apply to Ohio State's offensive coordinator, Brian Hartline (although I guess he's also coaching WRs). It didn't apply to our recent OC, Gattis, who recruited a lot. Didn't apply to Don Brown who recruited a lot of guys. Florida's OC is a big recruiter. Coordinators recruit all the time, and Minter is doing almost nothing on the trail.
Buddy. I don’t know if you’re simply not reading, or if you’re struggling with comprehension at this point.
Hartline also coaches OSU’s WRs. Gattis wasn’t just our OC, he was also our WRs coach. Don Brown specifically recruited the Northeast (as I mentioned, coaches do occasionally specialize in a specific region) and chipped in with specific recruits in addition to handling VIPER (a unique position to his defense). Florida’s OC? Yup, you guessed it. ALSO A POSITION COACH. This is now the third time I’ve explained that coordinators that are also position coaches are still responsible for recruiting their own groups.
Literally every example you’re trying to use to show coordinators recruit all the time has already been explained. And Minter DOES recruit. He interacts with recruits, calls recruits, visits recruits. Not being listed as the “primary recruiter” on 247 doesn’t mean he’s not actively involved in the recruitment. That’s simply not how Michigan divides up recruiting duties. Position coaches are responsible for recruiting their own positions, coordinators (and Harbaugh himself) will chip in on major recruitments.
I did forget that Gattis was coaching WRs, that's my bad. I just am skeptical that Minter being a coordinator absolves him of the recruiting load that position coaches have. I've never really heard of coordinators not recruiting as much as position coaches as a standard practice. Anyway, my initial comment was noting that the people who'd been previously critical of Clink recruiting CBs "inadequately" were overlooking Minter doing much less with fewer responsibilities. If Clink is coaching, recruiting, AND coordinating the pass defense, that's a lot of value to the team.
I'll admit I don't have insider info and maybe you do, so 247 is the only metric available to me that isn't hearsay; it could be false info.
EDIT: I also stupidly wrote the Florida OC instead of the DC Austin Armstrong who I'm pretty sure is just the DC, making JH's irritated responses to me even more understandable, mea culpa.
It doesn’t “absolve” anyone from the recruiting load. You’re just not understanding the role coordinators play in recruiting. They recruit EVERYONE on their side of the ball, and as a result they’re not going to be listed as the primary/secondary recruiter for the majority of players. This has become standard practice at most schools since the extra coaching spot was added to football programs back in 2017.
The position coaches are typically the primary contact for a handful of guys at their respective positions. That’s what 247 is noting on their page. They may be actively recruiting 5 or 6 guys at a time. While a coordinator like Minter is overseeing the recruitment of 50+ players. Elston is going to recruit the defensive line and Minter is going to help where he can. Partridge is going to recruit linebackers and Minter is going to help where he can. And so on.
Just because he isn’t assigning himself a specific recruit doesn’t mean he’s not recruiting. And recruiting has never been considered an issue for him in any of his previous college coaching stops.
Would still be nice to land some dbs
He wasn't going to go to OSU either if it wasn't for their NIL program being one of the best in the country.
Strange. OSU fans are constantly complaining about how they’re behind when it comes to NIL
Not just the OSU fans, take a trip over to the Alabama, Georgia And especially the Clemson boards......they're all bitching about getting beat out on recruits over the NIL. The main NIL schools seem to be TAM, Texas, Miami, Tennessee and possibly Kentucky.
Well, word on the street is OSU is ponying up this year.
Kentucky has some validation. Cal lost some donors his last couple of years according to their analysts. Thus, this has turned their money to Stoops as he made it a priority to say thanks for taking such generous gifts.
Bama, UGA and Clemson…well pride come before the fall, except for UGA. Them, USC, and Texas are the teams if they can get good coaches.
That Texas oil money might do everybody else in eventually
Deerfield Beach, Florida...hmm....I think that a certain other notable Michigan player was from there...
As an added bonus, he's really an Ohio kid.
Wonder how Harbaugh would use Denard if he was on this years team?
Personally, I'd say a lot like we plan to use Cole Cabana + Wildcat snaps.
I think Harbaugh would use him as an offensive weapon...but I question whether it would be so gimmicky that it telegraphs the play (i.e., he's getting the ball). Kinda like how Peppers was bottled up late in the year when everyone knew he was getting the ball if he was on offense. Definitely a punt returner.
The one caveat...a lot of teams recruited him to play CB and Harbaugh looooves guys who can play multiple position. With us not having a bonafide #2 CB, I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh tried him on defense.
The real question is, How would Michael Barrett decide to deploy Denard Robinson on this year's team.
All-American cornerback.
Would Donovan Edwards be Donner?
Junior Colson would be Blitzen.
I’m pretty sure that a Donner Party is a bad thing
Corum has to be Dasher.
We know we have Santa driving the Michigan sleigh!
Go Blue
Two high ceiling edges in this class. I like our chances at developing them.
Great pick up.
As noted, the kid is actually from Ohio, not Florida...Supposed to be a great player.
Excited for him
interesting 'get'. he is the size of a safety with lean body mass, can't see him getting to 240/250lbs in the next few years. i bet he ends up playing something besides 'edge'. maybe he's our michael barrett replacement.
You know many 6'4" safeties?
Well one of our starting safeties is 6’4” (Paige)
one of my sons is his exact size, maybe a few pounds heavier and just as lean. he is the starting safety on his college team.
And Rudolph hasn't even started his senior year yet. Plenty of time to pack on pounds.
sure, but his body type appears to be like all 5 of my sons: uber-lean, not able to 'bulk up' at a young age. i'm sure it will change as they get older, but right now as teenagers/early 20's they don't have 6-packs, they have 8-packs. i kid you not. and rudolph looks to be cut from the same mold.
I would love to have two 6’4” safeties on the field
This is for you guys who are worried about him being not "big" enough to be an edge.
Wasn't Frank Clark a safety at Glenville and like 210 lbs? He looks pretty lanky so I'm sure he can put on good enough weight to hold up on the edge. Uche was super light too.
Why not? He has another year and couple months before his freshman games began. With our nutrition and strength program he could easily put on 20 lbs in 1 year and be 240lbs by sophomore season. Now if he goes the route of a couple players and doesn't follow the program they lay out for him then he probably won't gain weight but pretty sure Herbert and staff have faith in their abilities to get him to edge size. Now why you are doubting our top of the line staff at Michigan, I don't know. It is one the best in college if not the best.
as mentioned above, the answer to your question is based on what appears to be his body type in his front page photo. he has a body type with which we have a lot of experience in this house and in particular, playing football. oldest son is done playing college ball, was the same size (weighs less now, stopped lifting) as rudolph and played safety. son #2 virtually identical in size, a few lbs heaver, plays college safety currently. next two sons are not as tall but virtually identical build and body fat content. those bodies are very hard to bulk up at young ages no matter how much lifting and eating. not impossible, but not 20 lbs/yr, either.
if anyone can bulk him up it'll be our staff at U of M, but i'm guessing there have been discussions about where he ends up and i doubt it'll be as a 250 lb edge. might be, but at a minimum it'll be a long term project. we all wish him the best no matter what and glad he is choosing the good guys.