Has the NCAA been put in checkmate?
Quoting Jay Bilas (I know), on Twitter -
"Looking forward to public statement from Paul Dee, former Miami AD and chair of COI. Sat in judgment of USC, and this right under his nose."
Can't help but feel the dam has been fully breached at this point. College athletics as we know it today, will look very different 10 years from now (hopefully, in a good way)
Discuss.
August 16th, 2011 at 10:58 PM ^
Not to be a dick or anything, but couldn't we just discuss this on the original thread? It's still on the front page and being actively commented upon...
August 16th, 2011 at 11:05 PM ^
I thought I'd fork it off from that thread for the purpose of discussing ramifications to the NCAA. Quite a bit of that thread is copy/paste from the article along with some dicussion on broader NCAA implications.
I thought the NCAA part might deserve its own thread. The content of the piece certainly did.
August 17th, 2011 at 8:32 AM ^
"Not to be a dick or anything" is a sure sign someone is about to be a huge cock.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:00 PM ^
August 16th, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^
If the NCAA is in checkmate, it'll take them at least 3 years to set up the pieces again for the "new" game of College Football.
August 17th, 2011 at 12:28 AM ^
It really makes you wonder what we could have gotten away with for the Ed Martin fiasco if we hadn't self sanctioned so hard. We probably could have gotten away with a couple scholie reductions and a couple forfeited games if we had played hardball/dumb.
Instead, we did the right thing, gave up everything including $$.
August 17th, 2011 at 6:36 AM ^
.....if sometimes all you really need to do, if you're a program in hot water, is raise your hands in some insincere "oops, my bad" gesture, suggest some mild punishment which doesn't inconvenience the school too much, and be done with it.
Quite sad really.
August 17th, 2011 at 12:06 PM ^
The sanctions we ultimately received for the Ed Martin scandal really weren't that bad. They were not what killed the program. Yes, it was unfortunate to be banned from the postseason in 2003, but that's happened to lots of programs, including OSU more recently than us. The replacement of Fisher with Brian Ellerbe was far, far worse. Our program had already crashed and burned by the time the NCAA issued its final verdict.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^
Miami booster gives money and other benefits to high profile recruits: Absolutely groundbreaking. The U will likely get the death penalty.
OSU booster-type-guy (Sarniak) gives money to Pryor to go to OSU, and Pryor admits it: Meh. OSU will likely get away with vacated wins.
I know that Miami's problem was on a much bigger scale, but seriously, NCAA?
August 16th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
OSU will claim that they told Sarniak to get lost.
But the broader issue here is that too much money is being made, the players/parents know it, and those who intend to make money during 'the process', do make money.
So what now?
August 16th, 2011 at 11:15 PM ^
Cam Newton got away with it (for now) because he didn't know it was happening, it was all his father's doing. Ohio may get away with it (in terms of sanctions, they have already been hit pretty hard) because they did't know, it was all Tressel' doing. To the NCAA ignorance is a solid defense, so why won't other teams/players follow suit.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:31 PM ^
The Miami thing is horrifying. Money has taken over the college game. The players are on the take, so are the coaches, and the NCAA has grown addicted to the cash. The question becomes are the fans complicit? Can we really have a billion dollar system that is honest? How rampant is the cheating?
August 16th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
They need to hammer Ohio and absolutely destroy Miami to show that there will be a serious punishment for cheating/violations. They discussed it on ESPN that right now it is worth it to at least consider cheating because the benefits very well may outweigh the punishment. The NCAA needs to realize this and start to enforce some serious penalties right now to put an end to this. They need to show schools that if you violate the rules you will receive heavy sanctions. So heavy that colleges will no longer consider violations because they know that the punishment will HEAVILY outweight the benefits.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^
So this sorta calls the NCAA out in the public. Seems like bad timing for tsio.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
I love college football.....but damn...it is one seedy and corrupt business. That miami article, with the prostitutes, abortion and stuff is just plain sick... i hope that never happens at Michigan... its sickening...
The NCAA and their corrupt lackies will never fix the problem.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^
With all the money flying around, CNBC is going to have to do Gameday from the stadium.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:30 PM ^
I would agree with Cowherd's statement earlier today that there needs to be pain that can be applied to the creepy boosters to make this kind of stuff stop (which would likely mean states passing laws to make such things illegal). Although, if Nevin is already in for 20 years and all his money was a mirage, another 3 years of jail or a couple million dollars in fines wouldn't have been much of a deterrent. Might put the brakes on some of the lesser hanger-ons, though.
Don't see this as a priority for states, and doubt there are any states that want to set the precedent on this. And doubt it would be done equally across all the states. And would be really surprised if anything were done at a federal level.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:37 PM ^
That is why the NCAA must enforce harsher penalties. Players still may take the money seeing as they will probably be gone or on the way out when it happens. In a perfect world the NFL will not allow players who received benefis to play in the league. That would be the ultimate deterrant to take illegal benefits. However, this would never happen as it would take some elite players and therefore money from the NFL.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:40 PM ^
has several laws regarding sports agents and this guy still pretty much ignored them.
August 16th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
August 16th, 2011 at 11:49 PM ^
In a way this is similar to SMU. Miami had a similar problem with paying players and the bounties for big plays etc. That was put to a stop and now they have been found to be doing that, and much more, all over again.
August 17th, 2011 at 12:23 AM ^
From what I remember, SMU was already under probation during the death sentence...sentencing. Also, the higher ups at SMU were found to have been well aware and involved in the gifts to players. I am not sure that the same is the case for Miami. However, I really wonder what exactly the NCAA will do. The USC scholarship reduction and 2 year bowl ban is a slap on the wrist of what should be a beat down in this case. Time will tell.
August 17th, 2011 at 12:27 AM ^
If it's true the school kept Golden in the dark until this week, he should immediately quit. He'll get hired elsewhere. But the longer he stays, the more it will rub off. Also, he should quit as a matter of principle. That school slimed him.
August 17th, 2011 at 1:02 AM ^
Can the NCAA do anything with the past coaches like Randy Shannon?
August 17th, 2011 at 3:17 AM ^
Probably not, but these allegations are damning enough for any coaching resumé.
August 17th, 2011 at 8:49 AM ^
NCAA should immediately terminate this guy if they have any credibility. The fact that this bozo is passing judgment on others is mind boggling. Is he really going to pretend that he did not take a check, phonecall, picture, BBQ, yacht ride, lap dance, etc?
August 17th, 2011 at 9:10 AM ^
If the NCAA wants to rehabilitate its image and be taken at all seriously, they should codify clear punishments for major violations, with very little room for subjective interpretation. It takes away any complaints that punishments are inequitably applied from school to school. Any leniency for self-reporting should be evaluated against the seriousness of the offense (i.e., whether the school would have had a greater motivation for keeping it secret). Right now, they operate like a cabal, which gives the illusion that they will protect their own money interests over the integrity of the association, which is harmful in the long run.