Georgia WR George Pickens tests positive for COVID
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:12 AM ^
Dude.....they misspelled HIPAA and got the law wrong. According to their logic, teams wouldn't be able to release injury reports because it would be a HIPAA violation.
What are we doing here folks?
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
The rabid carnival barking over “HIPPA” these past 18 months has been hysterical.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^
It has become a meme. A very annoying meme.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:17 AM ^
Asking "What are we doing here?" is a violation of stare decisis and certiorari, or at the very least the 62nd amendment. I know this because I'm a law-talkin' guy.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:20 AM ^
Don't forget the Nuremberg Code. That's a popular one to cite.
When non-lawyers start talking about the law, my inner lawyer doesn't even scream anymore...it sighs.
I went to law school for 3 years, but obviously your knowledge garnered from a Facebook graphic trumps my learning from Michigan Law's finest.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
went to law school for 3 years
Make sure to not tell any of the non-lawyers that those 3 years were really nothing more than networking opportunities and a box to check so you could sit for the bar exam of your choice.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:46 AM ^
Maybe at some schools that's the case, but I learned a ton from Michigan Law professors.
I'm not saying that law school makes you a good lawyer or makes you an expert on the law. In fact, it's pretty commonly accepted that law school doesn't prepare you well for practicing law.
But if you are actually interested in learning, taking classes with Professors like Bagley and Krier is a great way to go.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:51 AM ^
My point was to simply suggest that law school attendance does not, in and of itself, make you more qualified than the person with the facebook infographic. If anything, it teaches that the person on the other end of the graphic might very well have a law degree.
And as an aside, I'd add the late Prof. Allen to your list as well.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:56 AM ^
I'd have to disagree, but only because I think Facebook actively kills brain cells.
On a more serious note, I also think the kind of person who gets their legal knowledge from a Facebook infographic is unlikely to check the accuracy of that graphic.
But yes, if your approach to law school was to sit in the back and fall asleep and dare your professor to fail you, you're probably not going to leave with a good handle on the law.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:16 AM ^
I agree with everything you said. But Facebook is a place to make money, and people with agendas use it and other social media platforms to further their agenda amongst whoever will listen. I'm not advocating for spreading misinformation on that or any other platform, but you do yourself a disservice to imagine the person on the other end of such an account to just be a singular, uneducated, *insert descriptor* person. Go high enough up the chain and you're going to likely run into someone paid to promote that agenda. And many times, those persons have legal degrees. This shouldn't be that much of a stretch. Like most professions, lawyers are prone to rely on the storied histories and traditions, particularly those that surround the law school experience. But we all know that members of the profession aren't above spreading misinformation over social media for a buck.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
I’ve got an brilliant lawyer in the family, we’ll kind of. Ex brother in law served quite a few stints in the clink. Nobody trumps a jailhouse attorney.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:09 AM ^
Wish I was still in the area. I would love to be in the law library to get just about anything done. Best place to research/study on any campus in America
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Krier! Took Real Estate Trans with him. He had us over to his house at the end of the year, and he had an open offer that if someone was too drunk to drive home they could stay the night and "sleep in a rock star's bed" (i.e. the childhood bed of his son, Andrew WK).
I know it's a cliche, but I do think that law school "teaches you how to think like a lawyer." How to think about issues, process them in a legalistic way, etc. What it doesn't do is meaningfully teach you the law, since most of the caselaw you learn is overly simplistic and/or quickly outdated. (Which is the gist of complaints about the bar exam, having to memorize law that you'd be looking up in real practice anyway). But law school definitely helps shape your mind for legal practice, especially for those of us that came from very different undergrad majors (like STEM).
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
The Constitution guarantees each of us the right to his own reality. This is how I will be the starting shortstop for the Red Sox in 2022.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^
I better call Saul
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:41 AM ^
Nobody, ever, who writes a story mentioning it has gotten HIPAA correct. It’s probably the most misinterpreted law ever. As I sit here typing I am getting it wrong.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:52 AM ^
these records would fall under FERPA because he’s a student (assuming the covid test was performed by school medical personnel), which is vastly less protective than HIPAA from a privacy standpoint. A prominent case was when the University of Oregon disclosed a student’s mental health records for counseling she obtained on campus to discredit her after she made allegations of being raped by student athletes. The universities have broad flexibility in what they can disclose without the student’s consent
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^
Ernis coming with the HEAT!
Thank you for giving me something to research.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^
The whole thing is weird because they had to hear it from someone.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
The internet specializes in faceless ‘someone’.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^
Fair to say that UGA has some serious issues right now that are making 12/31 a greater challenge than normal. Hoping and praying for full recoveries for everyone down that way.
This would be an amazing opportunity for someone from the University, on behalf of the football team, to make a gesture of good-will and support.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^
Not just Georgia as I have a bad feeling this damn thing is going to blow up all over the U.S. in the next week or two
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:29 AM ^
Yeah, that seems very likely at the moment. It looks like people really need the third shot for protection (both because it's been 6+ months since shot #2 and because of Omicron). But the percentage of people boosted is pretty small--many people probably just didn't want to get a booster and many who do want to get it are having trouble finding it. Combine that with holiday travel--I have to think cases are going to skyrocket. The big question for me is how the increase in cases will correlate with increase in hospitalization and death. Maybe case numbers will grow exponentially, but hospitalizations/deaths will grow more slowly because the vaccinated/boosted crowd will have significant protection. Sadly, that seems to be the best-case scenario at the moment.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^
Good points. I actually think that the number of cases don't factor into many of the public restrictions - decisions as does the hospitilizations and deaths. I know two different people that have contracted Covid after the vaccine with very minor symptoms (like a mild cold) and were good to go within a few days.
On the other hand, I had a grandson and a niece that absolutely refused to get the vaccine and - you guessed it - both contracted Covid and were very sick. My grandson was in the ICU for 5 days and still isn't right. I'm very close to him - we golf 15 to 20 times a year - and the kid still doesn't have the energy before Covid. He went out and got the vaccine right after he recovered. I'm really concerned about the long-term effects down the road for him.- - especially his heart and lungs
What's really becoming a concern is that we're now hearing some reports that having Delta doesn't give you the immunity (antibodies ?) against Omicron. God help us with over 90% of the Hospital stays / deaths being the unvaccinated in my area. It's like we're at a point where some people are going to dig in with their beliefs no matter how wrong they know they are - just insane
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:23 PM ^
If I've learned anything from past spikes, it seems to outbreak in less prepared areas first and then ultimately it breaks out everywhere. It'll get to Ann Arbor eventually- ideally beyond mid-January
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^
It already has. Omicron makes up 75% of new cases.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:15 AM ^
Once the first positive case arrived, they probably decided to have a Covid party so it would pass through the entire team well before the game.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:19 AM ^
Breaking news: entire Georgia football team contracts chicken pox.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:39 AM ^
You think their plan was to essentially shut down practice and make it so their guys couldn’t stay conditioned for the next 9 days? Bold strategy
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:06 AM ^
Yeah, if that was the strategy*, they should have traveled to NYC a couple weeks ago, attended a couple banker or media office parties at the local watering holes, and done it all then.
My guess is these guys who tested positive today/yesterday will play in the game, sans much practice, b/c of the timing. It will be interesting, in a "slow-motion-fender-bender-with-serious-consequences-for-the-competitiveness of the CFP game" kind of way to see how this works out. It sucks, man.
(*Note: this was not the strategy, of course, and that would have been stupid: the "strategy" by pretty much every team across all of sports was to hope the precautions they had used from Aug-Nov would be enough, but it's been clear since Thanksgiving that it wouldn't be, yet teams didn't start reacting until last week, so here we are).
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
Arent they supposed to quarantine for 10-14 days??
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^
Not sure if you're joking, but we're less than ten days out now. These guys should still be under quarantine if they test positive today.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:33 AM ^
I'm not sure about that. I thought the current guidelines shortened the quarantine/isolation time for people who are vaccinated.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^
That's my understanding as well - they can test out of protocol with 2 negatives 24 hours apart.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^
They still have over a week before kickoff. I guess if you're gonna catch it, now's the time.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:39 AM ^
Literally what I'm scared of. They get out of the weeds early enough and theb we get hit days before
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:42 AM ^
we're in the submarine.... down deep.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:39 AM ^
They won't be able to practice though . . .
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^
Exactly! Anyone testing positive now will have very little opportunity to get vital practice time and this is a big deal with a game of this caliber.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:18 AM ^
If he's vaccinated and asymptomatic I hope he has the chance to play along with any other UGA player in that boat. Would like to beat them at their best.
That being said, I'm not going to feel any guilt if Michigan has more available players and wins the game.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
Vaccination status unknown. And depending on when his test was he could be unavailable. For example if he was unvaccinated, he needs 10 days and could miss the game. I'm guessing that Pickens and Daniels will play, but its the guys that get sick in 2 days that will be an issue. They are all getting the booster which could cause symptoms (similar to COVID) and then they have to get tested. What a mess!
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:32 AM ^
It seems likely that any existing Covid guidelines would be relaxed to allow as much participation in CFP as possible:
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:27 AM ^
I don't mean to put words into your mouth, but are you saying that vaccinated plus asymptomatic while still covid positive means he should be permitted to play?
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:34 AM ^
Have you read about the recent NFL change in protocols? Those teams aren't 100% vaxxed like Michigan is (no idea what Georgia's situation is with requiring the shots). I don't see why the protocols would be more rigid than the NFL. Additionally, Dr. Allen Sills, the chief medical officer of the league, went on record stating there is zero evidence of transmission during competition. Finally, Joe Robbie Stadium will be packed to the gills with untested fans. Talk about a double standard.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:44 AM ^
I haven't read about those change in protocols. My question was an attempt to understand what you were saying, particularly since I've seen a version of your statement pop up in other forms in other posts recently. I'm trying to figure out if there is a generally-held or emerging opinion that it is ok for a person who knows that they are covid-positive to carry on with daily public life simply because they are vaccinated and asymptomatic.
This is curious to me because vaccination status and the extent to which one is symptomatic are nothing more than indicators whether someone who does not know whether they have covid to reasonably guess whether they do have covid, and thus, should remove themselves from public life to avoid further transmission. To now see these factors being used as a justification to continue to engage in public life when someone knows that they have covid comes across as *waves vaguely to convey disbelief*.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:48 AM ^
Here's a more recent article on the recent decisions the NFL made. Didn't realize Sills made that comment almost a year ago.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:53 AM ^
A reply to simply point out that you haven't engaged with my question--not when it was posited generally or explained more fully. I hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:37 AM ^
Not playing while still positive, but there's been more of a push to reduce the 10-day quarantine for vaccinated individuals. Rather than a larger number of days, it could be changed to a few days plus 2-3 negative tests to return. Reflecting the science that mild/asymptomatic people who are vaccinated are likely not contagious in a much faster timeframe.
December 22nd, 2021 at 10:28 AM ^
They may have to run the ball a lot. If they lose any more WRs, it’s gonna be slim Pickens on passing plays
