Gene Smith vs Warde on bitching when you get screwed by refs
As many of you no doubt recall, after the refs took the 2016 OSU game from us, Warde was silent and many here have still not forgiven him for that.
Crooked OSU AD Gene Smith is going off about the officiating last night.
Does this change how you view Warde’s lack of response in 2016 or not?
December 29th, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
Warde wasn't silent. If I recall correctly, he reprimanded Harbaugh and apologized for him. Terrible!
Fuck Ohio and all, but I wish Warde would fight for us like that. There's a clear difference in culture here, and I believe that's one of the major factors preventing us from doing anything in this rivalry.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^
Yea! we need more fans with face paint and legion of doom costumes! Culture change!
December 29th, 2019 at 10:47 AM ^
It's interesting, they kept bringing up Ryan day saying "feel our violence" and shit along those lines in reference to their hot start. They came out fired up. Ready to fuck some shit up. They were clearly the aggressors. It'd sure as hell be nice to see that every now and then. Im sure that's their culture and how they attack everything. I don't know what Michigan's is, but you don't hear that aggressive mindset from Michigan. Regarding anything. Games, recruiting, adjustments, coherent interviews, e.t.c.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:42 PM ^
Jim Harbaugh: "Win with character, win with cruelty." From the man who hired a true spread o.c. to institute a more aggressive offense.
Don Brown: "Solve your problems with aggression." Yeah, that's an actual quote from Don Brown, the guy who stunts and blitzes on damn near every down. Have you even seen Don Brown address his defense before and during games? The man yells himself hoarse.
So, yeah, anyway...
December 29th, 2019 at 7:48 PM ^
It's easy to say it, but how much of it have you seen on the field? Yeah, not much of it in those 3 losses......
December 29th, 2019 at 1:30 PM ^
Yea, I have it on pretty good authority that Harbaugh and team don't even want to win The Game.
December 30th, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^
Who’s the authority?
December 29th, 2019 at 11:06 AM ^
If I recall correctly, he reprimanded Harbaugh
Pretty sure that was the Big Ten, not Manuel.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:23 AM ^
You seriously think he reprimanded Harbaugh? Seriously?
December 29th, 2019 at 12:00 PM ^
Actually I think it’s jersey sales in Ohio that are the major factor.
December 29th, 2019 at 1:00 PM ^
Hey...it's a start.
December 29th, 2019 at 2:58 PM ^
That is a fucking lie. I know for a fact that Warde complained to commissioner as well as the head of officials. As a result, the BIG released a statement acknowledging that they missed a couple of calls.
It is a myth that Warde does not fight for his coaches and players. The obvious difference between last night game and 2016 game is that officials for the 2016 game were from BIG, which made sense not to make big public statement rather than using the private channels.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^
It wasn't a catch...
If it would've been a catch, the Clemson receiver's forward progress was stopped and he was being pushed backwards when the ball came out. Therefore, he would've been down.
Gene Smith needs to let it go. OSU had every chance to win the game, but did not get it done at the end.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:11 AM ^
This is true, but I am OK with Buckeye fans bitching about that second call . . . just as long as they acknowledge that Michigan was robbed in 2016.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:15 AM ^
The conspiracy theory is the SEC refs who worked the OSU game last night had a secret deal with ACC refs that worked the LSU game earlier.
This from folks that didn’t find it odd to have members of the Ohio Sports Hall of Fame working OSU-Michigan games.
It’s glorious.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:24 AM ^
You mean Bobby Sagers from the State of Ohio athletics hall of fame?
Cant remember did he make the HoF before or after the 2016 game?
December 29th, 2019 at 1:24 PM ^
The Bronze statue came after 2016 though. ;)
December 29th, 2019 at 1:10 PM ^
If I we're going to rig a game, I would of damn sure prevented the team I wanted to lose to be in a position to score the winning points with :30 left in the game. Plus, ESPN would much rather have an LSU/O$U final.
December 29th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^
If there was a conspiracy to throw this game, wouldn't the preferred championship match up be LSU/OSU given the greater number of story lines that game would have-- not least of which the Burrow/OSU connection? If the refs were in on some nefarious scheme to throw the game in one team's favor, I'd imagine OSU would be the team they'd be looking to help.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^
The refs caused Olave to cut in the wrong direction.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
They don’t. I have a fair number of clients who are Buckeyes, and when they see my UM diploma on the wall they say “...you know it was a first down!” without me even remotely bringing it up.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
Geometry on this very website shows that JT did in fact get a first down in 2016:
https://mgoblog.com/diaries/resolving-parallax-error
December 29th, 2019 at 1:04 PM ^
That call was 50-50.
It's the other 14 calls that went in OSU's favor that game that piss us off.
December 29th, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^
The real problem was with all the DPI and Holding non-calls, not that spot.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:28 AM ^
But Herbie, the color analyst on TV, said it was a catch. You don’t think the TV guys are biased do you?
December 29th, 2019 at 10:49 AM ^
I thought it was a catch and a fumble. 100% not enough evidence to overturn. But that is the issue with replay, not that it exists, but they have completely abandoned the “indisputable” standard. A call that close should definitely stand. By overturning it they are just admitting that they are not applying the standard correctly.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:24 AM ^
I agree that it was a fumble. The guy took 4 steps with the ball firmly between his hands before it got stripped out. But letting the play run, then sorting it out by replay was the right thing to do. If they whistle the play dead and then replay shows it was a catch/fumble, that’s a problem, too.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^
but the 4 steps were all backwards and he never moved forward. Does it really take 4 steps for forward momentum to be stopped and to be ruled down?
December 29th, 2019 at 11:51 AM ^
true. i saw the ref point to the ground then let the play go on. for all we know, the ref thought it was incomplete but let the play go on in case he was wrong. and maybe the booth, in fact, let his original call stand.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^
Well said.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:54 AM ^
Yeah Herbie was like a crooked politician over that and then pouted like a baby afterwards. OSU fans chased the guy and his family out of town yet he still supports those loons. I’d be showing my ass to every buckeye fan on earth but he gags on their junk every chance he gets.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:12 PM ^
That was like the only time he sided with OSU during the game. I remember several times where I was surprised when he sided with calls against OSU, like the touchdown that broke the plane but wasn't secured when Dobbins(?) fell
I'm actually a big fan of Herbstreit, he's usually as neutral as he can be. Just because he says OSU is good doesn't mean he's biased. OSU is objectively good. And he's pretty positive about Michigan related things
December 29th, 2019 at 1:10 PM ^
Kirk’s twin sons play for Clemson. (Link)
So he’s sorta invested in both teams.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:11 AM ^
IIRC Herbie kept saying it was a catch but once they overturned it he said they got the play correct.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
But went immediately to "ref in the booth" and he said "no catch" . Herbie's mike had to be muted while he was drying his eyes and clearing throat.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^
Come on. If that same call had cost Michigan a CFP game, this place would be going crazy.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:09 AM ^
I don't agree that that call cost OSU the game. It happened in the third quarter and when it was overturned, it was 4th down and Clemson had to punt. OSU went on to score the game's next touchdown anyway.
OSU lost because it could not score a red zone TD to save its life. (Also: letting Clemson drive 94 yards in four plays with the game on the line.)
December 29th, 2019 at 11:39 AM ^
OSU pissed away plenty of chances to pile up an insurmountable lead in the first half. They should not have been in position to lose because of a few marginably debatable calls.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^
That's what a lot of people have said about us in 2016 OSU. The "we wuz robbed!" gang still outshouts them.
December 29th, 2019 at 1:45 PM ^
2016 the proper call would have ended the game.
Last night OSU's QB could've decided to throw it to his teammate on the last play and they would've won. Guess he's still waiting on that lesson to finish downloading.
December 30th, 2019 at 11:52 AM ^
Hate to say this, but OSU looked like us in that game. Leaving points on the field, roughing the punter, a targeting call, can't catch a break from refs
December 29th, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^
Watching it live I was sure it was an incomplete pass and figured the officials were playing it safe in letting the play proceed, knowing it would be reviewed. In slow motion, I started to wonder, but still think the reversal was correct. The two personal foul calls, targeting and roughing the kicker were the decisive plays of the game and they were self-inflicted.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:13 AM ^
totally agree. It was a clear incompletion to me and I was shocked when the refs let the play continue. I don't think OSU got screwed at all on that call. It was always the correct call. Ruling it a fumble would have been a total outlier in the "process of the catch" era
December 29th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^
I completely agree; watching it live it seemed like a drop by the wideout. In replay it is very debatable.
The blocked punt completely changed the game. Don't do that, and don't let Clemson go 94 yards for the winning score.
It was one of the more enjoyable games I have watched in awhile though. Sadly, shows how much NFL talent the Buckeyes and Tigers have.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^
Agree. OSU played overly aggressive and it caught up to them with the personal fouls. It was a very entertaining game with the right outcome.
December 29th, 2019 at 1:21 PM ^
Speaking of which, I thought Chase Young got away with targeting just a few plays before the actual targeting call happened. ESPN showed a replay of it but the announcers said nothing.
December 29th, 2019 at 12:37 PM ^
That was a catch, and fumble. Full stop.
They got robbed. It's okay to admit that.
December 29th, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^
It wasn’t a catch. Full stop.
But I was very surprised it was overturned.
December 29th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^
I mean, it was only not a catch because of the NCAA's asinine rulebook. If a guy possesses the ball firmly in both hands while taking three steps, that's a catch according to any reasonable definition. Instead, we're stuck in this bureaucratic hell where the NCAA (or NFL) rulebook tells us not to believe our eyes.