Game of Thrones, episode 4
All caught up man! Started season 2 the day season 8 started, watching the last 3 live!!
holy shit. So you haven't seen much of the outdoors recently have you?
Found some spare time at work, haha.
I finally bought all the seasons on blu ray so my wife could watch it. Annnd she keeps falling asleep every other episode in the first season. At this rate, she might be caught up in 2 years.
I dont get it. I was hooked within the first 2 episodes. Sigh.
My wife kept falling asleep watching Breaking Bad. I'm like HOW THE HELL CAN YOU FALL ASLEEP WATCHING THIS????
It took me until the latter half of the first season. It's not immediately appealing for errbody.
Dragon Queen told Jimmy Kimmel that episode five is going to be insane. She said something about 'find the biggest TV you can.'
Rats in a box is all I could see.
Apparently most of the episode leaked online. I wouldn’t read comments in these threads if you haven’t already seen the leaks.
At some point the Hound and/or Brienne are going to fight the Mountain and I can't wait. My guess is 2/3 will die, certainly the Mountain.
He's on Arya's list.
But so is The Hound.
Not any more. She took him off. (She also took Bondarrion off before he died). I think her list is down to Ilic Payne, Mountain and Cersei.
I'm finding it hard to believe that Arya is going to get both high profile kills this season, so if Cersei gets her ultimate reward, I don't think it's coming at the hands of Arya.
I agree. I think she'll get Payne, she and Hound might both be part of Mountain's finish. If I had to guess, I would pick one of Cersei's brothers as her killer.
A lot of people on Arya's list have been killed by someone else, e.g., Joffrey.
My money is always on the mountain.
Because when it comes to mountains, I learned a long time ago don't mess with Billy the Mountain.
My predictions:
Cersei and Jamie die in each other's arms.
Varys betrays Danaerys and dies for it.
Danaerys burns Euron's fleet and King's landing to the ground. Thousands die. Then she executes everyone leftover. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Tyrion frees Jamie after he's captured and is put on trial.
Jon Snow kills Danaerys and is either exiled or takes the black (there will always be a night king).
Hound and Mountain kill one another.
I really can't think of anything for Arya to do but go off and travel the world when its over.
Bran becomes king or leader of a council or something.
Sansa rules winterfell.
Gendry rules Storm's End.
Tormund starts exploratory drilling in the north.
After the disaster that was last week's episode, I have a pretty low bar set for the rest of this season.
Edit: Well, Jaime's character arc is permanently destroyed unless he kills Cersei. Or else all that redemption was for nothing. Wouldn't surprised me if D/D's dumbasses fucked this up and have Arya do it anyway.
Other than that, it seems like they're going with the Mad Queen Dany story line. Jon is still the dumbest motherfucker in this universe. Varys is gonna get shanked after stabbing Dany I bet. Lol.
Better episode than last week's trash, but holy hell, they really need to stop with the dubious battle/strategy scenes. How the hell does Dany not see that fleet coming? Then Tyrion is going to try to parlay with Cersei AGAIN? Come the hell on.
This entire season has been a wet fart.
I honestly want everyone to die at this point.
I wish Drogon would let Rhaegal and Ghost borrow his plot armor for a bit.
CGI is expensive tho.
"Jon is still the dumbest motherfucker in this universe."
Brave words for someone who doesn't know the difference between a mother and an aunt. ?
With as much as they spend on this show, I would figure that they could hire a military historian to help them plan better battle strategies.
So...help me out here...
Tyrion, Dany, a dragon and a small retinue of soldiers are standing in front of Cersei, Euron and a bunch of guys with super high powered crossbows who have the high ground. And Cersei doesn't take them out?? WTF? All these people fighting for the throne...one is dumber than the next.
That move was out of character for her. She should have killed them all.
Writing this season is ass.
I'm generally of the belief that GoT has built up enough equity to get the benefit of the doubt post-George R.R. Martin. I understand the writers are flying by the seat of their pants and I can suspend a little disbelief in an effort to enjoy the finale of the one of the all-time great TV series.
But holy crap is this getting out of hand.
I loved this show for the first 4 - 5 seasons, but it really is a shadow of its former self. The writing has just gotten really lazy.
And I'm not a book snob either, but the show is WAY different than what Martin wrote.
It's not being a book snob. It's recognizing that Martin wrote a morally ambiguous anti-fantasy fantasy book where characters didn't have plot armor and their fate was determined by their actions which were guided by their personalities and the flaws they contained.
The show is now a hero's tale where the good guys live and the bad guys get what's coming to them and you should try not to think too hard about what's going on in front of you or it all collapses.
The good guys live? Tell that to Missandei, Jorah, Lyanna, Dolorous Edd, Theon (once he became good he didn’t last long,) Hodor, all the Dothraki and 2 of the 3 dragons.
We do realize the same set up happened in the last season. When her devious plan of not fighting the dead happened right after she couldve cross bowed 95% of the remaining characters.
1. Wait til the dragon leaves
2. Crossbow the lot of them
3. Have those dragpoons ready
Im so confused. But then at least stab tyrion in the neck when he visits. Other than it messes up the plot its exactly what anyone of us would do, let alone the biggest see you next tuesday in Westeros.
essentially the dragons are useless except killed poor sam's dad and brother
the writers are idiots coming to the battle tactics.
Yeah, that seemed like an insane about-face from Jaime. Several seasons of the guy becoming the "oathkeeper" and he pulls a complete 180 that easily? But like you said, still a chance he's going down to kill her or (more likely) Euron. His comment that, "She's hateful, and so am I", left open the question of who he hates. Is it her and/or Euron? Or is he saying, yeah, I'm just like her and I haven't changed a bit so I need to go back to her?
I have long surmised that Arya might kill Cersei wearing Jaime's face, and this seems like a sloppy way to set that up. Jaime heads down to King's Landing and meets up with Arya and the Hound at some point, Arya kills him for leaving her sister when he was supposed to be protecting her, Arya wears his face to confront Cersei and kills her. It's on the table.
Yes, it was ridiculous that they would have Dany and the fleet go to Dragonstone completely unprepared for an ambush and that somehow Euron would be able to hit the Dragon without Dany being able to see his fleet of ships first. I mean, I understand the element of surprise plays much better on screen, but woof.
As for Tyrion parleying with Cersei, I think that was potentially very shrewd. I don't think he intended or thought that Cersei would just surrender but (I hope this was the writers intention) what Tyrion did was tell Euron that he knew Cersei was preggers. If Euron puts two and two together - that the only way Tyrion would know is if Cersei told him during the previous parley, before they got down and dirty - then Euron now knows 1) that it's Jaime's baby and 2) that Cersei is lying to him.
Its so strange that the Night King is just gone....
"THE NIGHT KINGG WASN'T EVEN IN TEH BOOKS!!!!"
/the books were better crowd
I mean, if someone doesn't suggest that Arya kill Cersei, what the fuck are we even doing?
So 50 minutes in and everything that has happened, could have happened in 15 minutes. That is the biggest problem with this show. Long overly drawn out story lines.
It certainly didn’t need 80 minutes to establish that Cersi is irredeemable bad.
She's also the smartest ruler left alive. Jon and Dany are both so stupid and impulsive that they should both be dead by now.
I'm still rooting for the Night King.
At the end of the last book Jon was killed by one of his black brothers. I can't wait until the the next two books in the song of ice and fire series. GOT was the name of the first book! I wonder if HBO will redo their GOT series after the new books are released.
Cersei blew up the freaking sept of baelor but now she suddenly has a heart and wants to parlay with all her enemies in arrow range. Come on fam.
How is many times do we have to see Tyrion try to speak sense into his sister. We get it.
She did that to provoke Dany, hoping to get her to hop on her dragon so she could kill it.
Drogon was in range the entire scene
You think? I wasn't sure. Then it's even more unlikely that Cersei would have honored the parley. All of her enemies were right there for the killing and she's armed with magical laser guided ballistas. She would have attacked.
Absolutely. God awful writing if we're supposed to believe that all of sudden Cersei would conduct herself honorably.
Dude, this was just shot so that we'd see the dragon was there far enough back to know that they kept him back to be out of range but "close" enough to actually see him.. Just accept that it wasn't range.
If your complaint is about the graphics people not putting the dragon a little further back so you'd believe it was out of range, fine, that's super minor and is the least difficult ask the show has made of the audience in the last two years.
But don't complain about Cersei not shooting the dragon when it was clear the show established it was not physically possible.
Lmao. Dude if you think that dragon wasn’t in range, go rewatch the scene where the dragon was killed on the water.
On one hand, there's complaining about action being extended over too long a time. On the other hand, there's complaining by others about missing the sort of character development that characterized the first few seasons of the show. What is the sound of two hands swinging and missing?
The problem is really neither, its that the showrunners/writers have had characters acting irrationally or resorted to wildly unlikely events over the last 2 seasons to do one thing: Create a scenario where Cersei could conceivably win a battle against Dany. Consider:
Euron and the invisible fleet destroy Yara's fleet, as well as take Dorne off the board.
Big stupid plan to capture a wight and even bigger stupid plan to save the original stupid plan results in the loss of a dragon.
Entire battle plan at Winterfell was set up to maximize the losses of the living armies (Dothraki charge, choke point retreat, wasting the dragons, not using trebuchets other than a single volley, etc.).
But then of course, conveniently setting up "the Last War", by having Arya leap from a tree with a small dagger and kill the Night King.
Dany, for no real reason, wants to march on King's Landing immediately and of course in this instance isn't overruled, but hey, she willingly gives the moronic idea to appeal to Cersei another go.
Euron and the invisible fleet (now armed with super accurate Big Crossbows!) take out a second dragon because somehow Dany and the dragons don't see or even appear to know to be looking for a host of ships.
And oh, by the way, who was standing at the table while they plotted the attack on King's Landing? Arya Stark. Arya Stark, who just snuck through the entire army of the dead, all the White Walkers and got the drop on the Night King. Who can kill a person and take their face. In a show with no rhyme or reason when it comes to travel and time, Dany and Jon have the most dangerous weapon who should be able to dispatch Cersei easily and no one even thinks to use her.
But hey, that's to be expected, because they treated her killing the Night King like it was a walk in the park as opposed to the single biggest and most important moment in the history of that entire continent.