Hoke said he wanted to kill one of the freshmen who started on D. Who was he talking about?
The future looks bright. (Freshmen Play)
When did he say that?
Read it on rivals. http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1285803
"I want to kill one of them," he quipped without going into detail. "Nah, that's not fair. Read it in the obituaries."
That doesn't sound at all like something Hoke would say. Where did you hear and/or read that?
He said it in the press conference, very jokingly.
Hoke said he didn't have any concern about playing so many youngsters because of how they've practiced. Cornerback Blake Countess started, while linebackers Brennen Beyer and Frank Clark played more.
"I want to kill one of them," he quipped without going into detail. "Nah, that's not fair. Read it in the obituaries.
You mean touch?
Perhaps he said "Frank Clark: ill" in a complimentary way.
Did Raymon Taylor see the field on D?
Raymon was the other one hoke said would play. I didnt see him out there, but maybe he was in towards the end?
I remember because he called him "Ray Taylor."
But screw all that...nice avatar sir. Well done.
looks like he is a complete beast he has the body of a rush end already just by his measurables. And he was in the backfield quite a bit when the game was in hand and they just let it rip. But the future for Frank looks real good imo.
Frank Clark did not look like a freshman out there. That guy has a bright future. Countess, well we already seen him a lot and continues to be solid. Taylor did not see action and I think this was by far Morgans best consistent play throughout 4 qourters.
Frank Clark is listed as 6'2'' 228 pounds. I think this is wrong, Frank looks much bigger than that to me. He must have had a growth spurt at some point recently. Rivals had him listed at 6'2'' 210 and Scout at 6'3'' 205 on their commitment lists for M's 2011 class
I agree, every freshman looked good, including jake ryan (can't forget that he's also a freshman). With that said, it was purdue, so I'm going to wait and see how clark, beyer, and morgan do against better competition. I already know Ryan and Countess will be studs.
It would be great if we could get another solid (healthy) corner across from Countess. Floyd just doesn't cut it. Teams are consistently picking on him now and I feel he is the only major liability still out there on our D. He displayed some very poor play today and he made some crucial mistakes against MSU as well. The kid is just slow to react. A healthy Woolfolk and Countess would be ideal at DB. Let's hope Kovacs isn't out too long.
Floyd and Avery have both played well, and have out played a senior who is banged up in Worfolk. I actually like his play today at safety though. And I think Avery has a bright future also he is only a sophmore if I recall right. Floyd is the only corner we have that can jump a route which isnt always a good thing but he wont just give up a 7 yard out every short route, he can jump it.
Who is Worfolk?
And the corner that gets flagged the most for interference and misses the most tackles because he plays soft. Watch where teams through at the rest of the year and we will see how he does.
Honestly, I think JT Floyd has exponentially improved over last year. He is aggressive and plays with passion. Now, besides Purdue's last TD, I thought JT had a pretty solid game. Don't get me wrong, he can certainly improve... But I really think he's a better option than Woolfolk at this point because of his paper mâché body. (No offense to Troy, I really like the kid but, he just has the worst luck.
I agree that he is improved but he still is far from a Big 10 caliber talent at DB. There was a blatant hold as he was getting beat today as well. He didn't look like he wanted to tackle anyone against MSU. I'm satisfied with the overall improvement of the D but I'm just afraid this position is going to bite us again this year.
Not trying to be a dick (but probably succeeding), but I have a feeling you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, even if you are convinced you do.
I'm sure I don't know what I'm talking about, but Floyd does seem a little limited at corner. He's played decent for much of the season, has improved a lot over last year, but he just isn't that fast. Thus, he gets exposed at times. Against Purdue, he had the angle on one play and he still let the guy go right by him. The pass interference, the last TD play are other examples. I like the kid and he really has maxed out most his natural ability, but against a fast WR I still cringe some.
JT's only real problem I've consistently seen from him this year is he CONSTANTLY leaves his feet and puts his head down when trying to make a tackle. He did this twice against State, and I believe both resulted in TDs. I think he still has a little bit of the GERG/Gibby mentality left in him, but Mattison and co. will correct it.
JT Floyd is what he is...and that's NOT a bad thing.
But what you see is what you get. I've been saying this all season, and yes...he HAS improved.
But he has mediocre speed...less than average recovery speed. He can't tackle for SHIT, never has, never will. He'll get beat being overly aggressive. He struggles in man.
ON THE FLIP SIDE...
He has a short memory. He doesn't take shit from ANYONE. He has a swagger for the position. He competes every single down. He's VERY good in press coverage. He's VERY good in zone coverage.
You think, if he could tackle he'd make a good free safety...which is why they tried him out there last year. But #1 he can't tackle and #2 his aggressiveness is a weakness...too many big plays (ala Cam Gordon at Strong Safety).
He's the perfect boundary side CB in zone coverage. He's got the size and strength to press. He does a VERY good job of finding his zone and sitting down in it (see his INT vs. ND for details). In man, it's 50/50...I like Avery and Countess in man, and Floyd and Countess in zone...but you can't tip your hand like that. I'm VERY happy with his progress though, I didn't think he'd get a 5th year going into the season...as of now, I'm sure of it (assuming he wants it).
You haven't seen Hoke's presser yet. Woolfolk has been moved to Safety. The staff is confident enough in our corners to move the guy with the most experience to Safety, so I'm guessing they are pleased with Floyd.
I've no complaints from todays game. Splendid performance
Even if teams are picking on Floyd he is still 10x better than he was last year so I'll take it. Blake Countess has a chance to be a special player for us down the road.
-100 points for every "special" reference.
and even though countess is playing great as a frosh, cb's usually dont contribute much until they are upperclassmen. He still has a lot of time to progress
Wolf has been officially moved to safety, and Kovacs will not play against Iowa either.
Jake Ryan = Next Clay Matthews
Except better looking.
He just needs to grow the flow out a bit more lol
He'll need to make up his own dance like Clay Matthews.
Jake Ryan looked pretty BA with his linebacker should gear thing ala Prescott Burgess. I have no idea what that piece of equipment is called
It is called a "cowboy collar." Does look badass. Michigan's good defenses always had a mix of tough white dudes and athletic black dudes. Let's get back to it.
...uh, not sure where you are going with this. I always get a bit confused when players are race-typed or the need to identify objective criterion by color. Even when it is a positive comment, I am not sure that tough and athletic don't apply equally to "people." I mean, Sam Sword was tough, but not God-gifted athletic. Drew Henson was athletic. Woodson was both.
You're completely correct. The shortcomings of the last few years' defenses were due to entirely too many athletic white dudes and tough tough black dudes. BRILLIANT!
I wanted to scream at the tv when Beth Mowins said on the late PU td that Mich was still playing starterd on D, mentioning Countess and Floyd.
To be fair, she explicitly said some of the starters are in, not "Michigan is still playing their starters."
Blake was always around the ball.
Try again HAHA
Blake Countess has the natural ability you need to be a top level cornerback. The dude has the potential to be Leon Hall-esque
Have we seen any freshmen on offense yet this year? I know Rawls got a few carries here and there, but aside from him I don't recall any freshmen getting any reps on offense.
We need D-lineman. Stat.
interior DLine. With the young guys and this recruiting class, DE will be a strength for years.
We can assume solid improvement for the next year and years to come.
Even though it is Purdue, it's still a bunch of our freshmen playing well against a lot of upperclassmen. Ryan, Taylor, Blake, Beyer, Frank, all looked good against upperclassmen. I don't care it was Purdue, it's still impressive.
It seemed like everytime (which seemed like a lot) he got to the quarterback, he couldn't finish the sack. The one rollout (I think it was a third down around midfield in the 4th quarter) he really got juked out bad by the purdue quarterback. And it's not like the guy he was playing Denard Robinson or Jarrod Wilson. Just needs to finish.
Desmond Morgan was the one who I thought turned a corner. He really looked like he belonged out there. Even made a real nice hit on special teams too. Me and my buddy have kept saying how he might be something special in two years. After today, I think it might be earlier than expected.
Why is our safety commit that's still in high school playing quarterback in college?
Hearing Hoke not have any reservations about playing Freshmen in the Presser made me remember the RichRod mantra from last year that it's all about an inexperienced secondary and defense that was the problem all along. I can't remember how many times he blamed the lack of experience on the inability to stop anyone. Sure is a liability for Countess huh...
It's nice to see that disproven - if you let all the kids compete and teach them you'll have the right kids rise to the top regardless of age.
I don't know if you can go that far to say it wasn't an impact. I'm sure it was a mix of coaching and inexperience; however, using Countess as an example is not the way to go. Countess is and was an elite talent. Something that we didn't really have in a freshman during the RR years, aside from Justine Turner, who got fat.
Well, it's little different when you get to plug one freshman into an experienced secondary as a spot start, as opposed to having and entire secondary of Freshman, Sophomores and walk ons.
The safety play is so much better this year than last year it's not even funny. A lot of credit for that should go to Mattison, but all of those reps for Kovacs and Gordon last year definitely helped.
[sorry - should be a reply to Mparadox]
I think Frank Clark is going to be a beast. I want more Glennville kids!!!
I was at the game and I think the play that got me off my feat faster than any other play was Jake Ryan shooting into the backfield like a missile and diving right through their running back's legs for a loss. The future is bright.
First I've seen Ash all year. Is he a legit 300 lber? I have feeling the staff cooled their jets on recruiting DTs because they see exponential improvement (they better) in Ash and Washington. Between growing Wormely into a redwood; stuffing Godin with Pizza Bobs and Pipkins, I guess they feel like they have a future rotation once Will Campbell becomes Warren Sapp. I still fret...