FSU is threatening to leave ACC if not given more revenue (live!)
At a virtual board meeting, the FSU president just announced he believes school needs to leave the ACC if not given greater share of revenue.
Livestream now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnxw9MWKAHs
FSU president directly mentioned Clemson considering same, also
From ESPN at 4:42 Wednesday: "In the wake of a Yahoo Sports report Wednesday that the Big Ten has begun 'exploratory discussions' about potential additions, the Big Ten said in a statement: 'It's also commissioner's job to keep conference chancellors and presidents informed about new developments as they occur.'"
A summary provided by Tallahassee media:
But is the B1G considering adding them?
Here are 10 reason why they should..... #6 is going to shock you!
Here's my shocked face after seeing what #6 was!
August 2nd, 2023 at 10:52 PM ^
Jokes aside, I don't see how the Big Ten could even consider adding them until that Grant of Rights is six feet under. They simply do not add value unless they bring their TV rights with them. Usually realignment develops under a cloak of absolute secrecy, so their very public bluster about leaving the ACC strikes me more as a bluff to get an increased revenue share from ACC than an indication of any actual, imminent move.
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:51 PM ^
That seems to make sense.
Direct quote fron meeting participant (trustee and former FSU player Drew Weatherford):
It’s not a matter of if we leave, it’s a matter of how and when
"All 3 conferences offering us a deal. "
they're going to take the one that offers free shoes.... its who they are.
Don't forget the crab legs!
Cheeseburgers are pretty tempting
Nah, cheeseburgers get you in trouble.
August 2nd, 2023 at 10:14 PM ^
But Tats are fair game.
especially if they're accompanied by weed
Barstool said they're coming to B10 with Clemson
At best a questionable source (though substantially better than Mike Valenti).
To be fair, it was said to be a "serious" rumor.
Classic mistake. It's the super cereal rumors you have to look out for.
Definitely a questionable source, but with what's transpired today with the teams the Barstool guy mentioned, he may have been on to something....
I thought we weren't allowed to use the v-word.
Rob had the Mom's permission to cuss like that.
Well of course, Rob is a Mom here.
Wasn’t barstool banned around here?
maybe he forgot the /s??
Board is unanimous behind president - no statements indicating desire to remain in ACC.
Agreed to have another meeting before "August 15th deadline"... which is when they would need to inform ACC if leaving for 2024 season.
FSU Trustee Justin Roth: "A solution under current (ACC) TV deal very unlikely. Leads us to what's next? The alternative for us staying in this conference for next 13 years is death by a 1,000 cuts. Waiting is not the answer." Also says FSU needs an exit plan in next 12 months
Observation from an FSU fan:
Part of this meeting was approving $50M+ to improve the College of Medicine and College of Nursing, which is probably the last piece we need to get AAU.
Neither Clemson nor FSU are AAU members.
FSU thinks it's on the cusp. It's been an explicit, public aim for 20 years. The med school was another piece of that puzzle. Ongoing integration with area hospitals is another.
Neither is Nebraska.
FSU will be an AAU member before Nebraska becomes one again.
I only caught the last 3 or 4 minutes before they went to upcoming agenda/events, but it's crystal clear that FSU wants out and there's little to nothing the ACC can do to deter them.
The question is - how much will it cost to leave?
Not as much as they are likely to make after they leave.
I wonder if the rumors about B10 courting FSU and Clemson weren't just made up shit to put pressure on their league to give them a stronger bargaining position, like how a coachs' agent floats the idea of schools offering their client big bucks to leave when it's all bs.
That sounds logical. FSU and Clemson fit much, much better with the SEC, for a whole host of reasons. If/when they leave, I would have to think that is where they go.
FSU talked about the ACC as a better fit when it entered the SEC. I think--I know--that faculty and staff would prefer the B1G. Fans. . . meaning fans who aren't grads, unsurprisingly, prefer the SEC. And it's probably true--they'd sell more tickets to games against SEC teams, or there would be more excitement. They'll probably sell out most games, anyway.
Again, people speak from a deep reservoir of prejudice and ignorance, but Tallahassee has the two most liberal zip codes in Florida, and FSU would rank fourth or fifth BEST academically in the B1G. And this isn't necessarily new; FSU had an SDS chapter; the Big Bend voted for Carter over WALLACE.
I live in Tallahassee and have been beating the drum that FSU fits the B1G better than the SEC since expansion last year. You have a pretty dead on analysis of the situation.
FSU is a definitely a good academic school. Clemson is also better than more than one current B1G school.
But without getting knee-deep into it, let me just say that Tallahassee is in the state of Florida, and the governor of that state has decided to involve himself in a very active, specific & public manner in managing the academics of the Florida university system in a way that is quite different than any state currently in the B1G (and the B1G has some quite conservative states, such as Indiana and Nebraska currently).
The B1G is an academic research alliance (it's the current 14 schools plus Chicago; USC and UCLA will join next year) so it's about more than just whether FSU vs Purdue will sell more tickets / get higher TV ratings than FSU vs Ole Miss, or even whether Tallahassee is as liberal as East Lansing. Adding FSU would kick up a fuss that might give certain B1G presidents more hassle than they have time for, considering the B1G is in a position of strength and don't need to add anyone else---they can be very choosy.
Chicago is no longer an affiliate
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:45 PM ^
Oh right, they left a few year ago when it was renamed from the CIC to the Big Ten Academic Alliance. Thank you.
I would be very surprised if the GOP-controlled FL legislature would be in favor of the university that’s in the state capital leaving the ACC for a conference up north. The legislature controls state appropriations and I suspect they would not hesitate to use that leverage.
August 3rd, 2023 at 12:01 AM ^
I would not rank FSU above Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Illinois or Purdue. And if you add in USC and UCLA, that would put them at best at #8 or #9 in the middle of the pack with the likes of OSU, Minnesota, Maryland, and PSU. I don't think you can definitively say FSU is better than those other schools in the middle of the Big Ten, and I think OSU and Minnesota grads would probably even take offense to this as well as I think those schools are better than FSU.
I might be biased as a Midwestern and East Coast educated and resident for most of my life, but I don't see FSU represented in academics and industry like the other universities named above, especially in the basic sciences and engineering. Some of the Big Ten schools have special programs in certain fields like engineering (Illinois & Purdue) or business (IU). It's not the best state school in Florida which is a negative. It would be one of the few public universities in the Big Ten not to be a flagship university or be in a state where the flagship university was not in the Big Ten.
But if the Big Ten expands again, it is most likely not going to be about academics so I don't see this as an impediment in the end if that is what the Big Ten decides.
Jeb Bush named FSU one of the state’s two flagships in the aughts, helping prompt FSU’s rise from the mid-60s in US News public school ranking to 18-19 today. You’re probably best off not making assertions you’re unschooled about. Wink. Your anecdotal take about the prominence or status of any school’s alumni, meanwhile, is. . .an anecdotal take, possibly hinting more at your prejudices and the ambit of your awareness than knowledge.
August 3rd, 2023 at 10:51 PM ^
1. RE: Flagship universities. LOL Jeb Bush. Just because the legislature makes some random law to strip University of Florida of the title in name only does not strip the university of its status. It would be the equivalent of pissed off MSU alums going to the Michigan legislature to keep Michigan from being called the flagship university in title. Newsflash: Michigan and MSU are both flagship universities in name, but only one of them is considered the flagship by reputation. That case is the same in Florida.
2. US News rankings suck.
3. But let's look at your rankings point anyway and dissect how ridiculous it is and how it ONLY strengthens the point I was making. The US News rankings actually make FSU look even WORSE than the generous take I gave it.
#19 in PUBLIC school rankings puts it behind UCLA (#2), Michigan (#3), Wisconsin (#10), Illinois (#13), Ohio State (#16), and Purdue (#18). Guess who FSU is tied with at #19? Rutgers and Maryland. And Minnesota is next on the list right after them. US News rankings would put FSU tied at 9th in the conference with Rutgers and Maryland--worse than I even made them out to be. Only 6 schools in the Big Ten are ranked below FSU: Minnesota, Indiana, MSU, PSU, Iowa, and Nebraska.
If anything, the US News Rankings only strengthens the "anecdotal" take I made: FSU would not be in the top echelon of Big Ten universities and not distinguishable from the middle of the pack Big Ten schools.
So who is unschooled and prejudiced here? And every other take in this thread is anecdotal and subjective so what makes my opinion any less valid than the other ones? At least, I backed my position up with some reasons besides just stating an opinion one way or the other like most of the other posts. Before trying to cut me down, you should have bothered to do some research like actually look at the list of the schools in the rankings you were citing.
You used the word flagship. Bush made them official flagship (you know, laws and stuff), upped their budget by tens of millions. They rose almost 45 places in the most commonly used rankings (sure, caveats about rankings) and built a med school. They'd be squarely in the middle of the Big Ten, but are not, in your assessment, good enough. Methinks your long and windy defense is a bad case of protesting overmuch. Bring the better data on the front end next time. :)
You've shored yourself a little, but mostly made clear what sparked your comments; that was not data or knowledge. Happy you dug in, though!
The funny thing is that liberals bring as much old-fashioned contempt for the rest of the world as Southerners once did, well, for their own historic cast of characters. And too often, the ignorance that inevitably came with it. Which your bad post betrayed. An old world is dying, a new one is struggling to be born.
August 4th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^
This started with me taking issue with you putting FSU FOURTH or FIFTH in the entire Big Ten academically which I feel is an elite level with NATIONAL recognition. I said FSU would most likely be indistinguishable from the middle of the pack of the Big Ten which you took issue with and started making personal by trying to insult me. Nice way to avoid the fact that the rankings you posted support my original take though.
The flagship designation was a minor aside that misses the point of my original post and was probably worded poorly on my part. Flagship designation is used legally for funding purposes, but many people also use it informally to refer to the more highly regarded public school in the state. The point I was making remains that you avoid: many people VIEW FSU relative to UF in Florida like people view MSU relative to UM in Michigan. If you take issue with that view, then I guess you must get hopping mad when posters on here put MSU down academically. The Big Ten has almost no other state school in the conference like that which is what I was pointing out in my original post.
The story you tell about FSU is one you can tell about almost all the Big Ten schools and many other large state schools across the country.