I know... Denard Robinson is amazing... but don't forget how good Tate really is. Seeing him on the bench, especially in the 4th quarter, was gut wrenching.It really made me sad that the guy who gave us hope and kept us going last year now seemed to be forgotten this year. I was really disappointed to see Rich Rod not playing Forcier in the 4th quarter whena win was a forgone conclusion.
Forcier on the bench is gut wrenching
1-0. Just repeat that to yourself please.
Look..Tate should have been standing up with his teammates. No excuses!
Tate's body language sucked, and yes, he was pouting. No matter your disappointment, you have to suck it up and be on the sidelines with your team. How can he be expected to get the respect of his teammates when he acts that way? We will need him this year, and his behavior is making that very difficult.
Having said that, I vehemently disagree with DG playing and burning that redshirt. But Tate's behavior, while understandable for a young guy, is showing us why he is where he is.
My gut does not feel wrenched. I hope that Tate gets his head together and remains committed to being a part of this.
After a huge win, this is what your thinking of? Coach Rod is doing what he thinks is the best thing to help the team win. No go away and steal someone elses joy.
Certainly a concern. When Coach sees that it's sure not to go over well. Like 'here's a ballcap and a clipboard' well.
Since when is a lead in the Rich Rod era at Michigan safe?? Tate should not have been sitting their pouting...Denard would have been the first guy to congratulate Tate if he had a game like this....that is the difference between being in it for your teammates and being in it for yourself!!
Exactly. Very prima donna-ish behavior. My worries about this relative to Tate, which started with him texting reporters before the Iowa game last year, just keep materializing. It's not good. It's one thing to e disappointed about not playing, another to sit there pouting like a little bitch while ur team is having is getting a huge win.
I have little respect left for Tate at this point. I hope he gets his head on straight and turns things around though.
I'll take the win. Will be interesting for the rest of the week, but today I will celebrate.
Just maybe the image of Forcier on the bench is a symbol of his selfishness displayed since last year?
Exactly. Tate needs to stop being all butthurt and go be with this team and celebrate. Get off the bench and support each other. All in for MIchigan.
One of the enduring images for me from last year was the jumping chest bump that Tate and Denard had after Denard scored on his first play as quarterback. Tate was the first person from the sideline to congratulate him. At that point in time it seemed like the two could work together in a tandem partnership. But I guess it only works for Tate when he's the starter...
I really wish that he had the maturity and teamwork skills to congratulate his teammates and do his sulking in private.
If you're really concerned about Forcier, he probably transfers and succeeds somewhere else. I'm baffled by the decision, but we have no fucking clue what RR sees in practice. If he thinks Devin is better then he probably is. RR wants to win and so do I.
I understand his reaction, he rightfully wants to be playing a part in his team's wins, but you've got to support your teammates even in a big win even if things don't break your way personally.
But sulking shows his lack of maturity, just what the coach doesn't need to see. It's a tough pill to swallow, but you gotta keep that kind of stuff off the field on game day.
One of the upper classmen needed to drag his fucking ass of the bench and tell him stand up, watch and cheer for your teammates. He has no right to sit there and pout. If he wanted to play maybe he should have shown up a little bit more over the summer and put in the work like Denard and Devin did.
Listen. Not every game is going to see Michigan's O-Line MAULING the D-Line like that. When that's happening, the running QBs who can also throw make sense. When the O-Line is playing more like human beings, Tate's incredible scrambling and throwing on the run abilities will shine through.
The fact is he has lost out to D-Rob in a fair and square battle in which he had a head start. I don't see any reason to feel bad for him. I do not believe DG would have stayed in all game if D-Rob was really hurt.
I know DRob awesome, Coach just wants to win etc. but seriously? You have last years good starter replaced by a Freshman as the backup? If DG is really that good and does give us the best chance to win either he needs to start or we need to reserve him for years when tate and Denard are gone. I guess only time will tell, if Tate never sees the field again and DG is the solid backup then fine, but if you intend on playing Forcier as well down the road it made no sense to burn a redshirt.
Good win, just nitpicking but that made me Irate when it happened so I couldn't let it go.
He made his own grave for himself by skipping out on summer workouts and getting a big head. Rod had to deflate that, and just got surprised with the progress of DRob and Gardner. I am a little unhappy they burned his red shirt on what looked to be just one play, but Rod knows best, and i'm sure Gardner will be better than Tate anyways. Love Tater Tot, and I'm sure he'll get some PT as well.
So you know for a fact that he never showed up for summer workouts and had a massive ego? I agree that Tate probably acted immature, but can we all stop taking shots at the kid because he is now the "loser?"
True, but from what I've seen of him in his career so far, RRod doesn't seem like somebody who would keep Tate out just to be a dick. Either Tate's play has really fallen off or there is something going on internally worthy of a semi-suspension.
how much hate Tate is getting. Even if he's not really a kid college football is still an amateur sport, so get off your high horses and cut him some fucking slack. Think about what you'd feel like if you were him- a savior a month into your freshman year, third string a year later after your backup and a true freshman. You're kidding yourself if you think you wouldn't be visibly disapointed. Especially as the cameras constantly look for your face.
it's because Tate wasn't standing up with his teammates. There are more ways to contribute than just playing.
I hope he gets off his duff and works hard to improve himself and his teammates (by competition). We may need him at some point this season. He'd better be ready.
He is just a kid, like all of them
Tate needs to get his head together. No excuses, i agree. Denard is likely to get temporarily hurt at some point this season...and Tate will be essential.
The kid did not act well today...but he has time to make it up to his teammates. We have a long season ahead.
him pout and not cheer on his teammates in this win proves to me that RR knows what he is doing with him. I am pretty disappointed that his pouting took some time away from what Robinson and everyone else did today.
Edit: added "knows what he is doing" so I don't sound so dumb
I really did not agree with burning the redshirt. However, don't count Tate out. This kid is still an amazing athlete and has a ton of experience under his belt.
Denard did a great job today. He clearly proved he deserved to start.
Denard was Tate's biggest cheerleader last year. Denard deserves the same respect.
Maybe the guy on the bench just wishes his friends were playing football instead.
the sulking could not have helped his case. And we know NOTHING about what's transpiring behind closed doors.
Not many people are taking into account that Gardner just may be our second-best option.
That image should make his wall of shame. It is a long season and he will be counted on at some point to produce. He needs to pull his head out of his ass ASAP. Talent is there, maturity not yet.
I understand how frustrating it has to be for Tate, going from starter to 3rd string. However, pouting on the end of the bench by yourself is not the way to handle adversity.
RR and teammates called him out for not being a leader and it seems he has not learned. I hope he can shake this off because he is a young kid and has talent.
It just looks like RR made the right decision at QB and this act reinforces his decision. Tate should care about the team over his playing time and should have had a headset on and talking to Denard and Devin and showing leadership when he is not playing.
And Rodriguez will play Gardner over Forcier. And it will cost Rodriguez his job.
I've never understood this reasoning. What makes YOU a better judge of QB play than RR? Are you there watching the QBs at every practice? Have you coached college football?
It is a prediction. I cannot see the future. However, if we look at Rodriguez's history of quarterback decisions(Sheridan over Threet, asking Denard to go 80 yards in 90 seconds agains Iowa, throwing Gardner in there today when it is obvious to anyone with two eyes he is not ready) there is a good chance it is going to cost Michigan a game or two.
With that said I love watching Denard Robinson and will say a prayer every night that he never has to come out of the game.
Tate just lost all the respect he gained back as soon as his teammates and coaches see the video. I don't expect him to feel great about losing the job, but his selfish attitude was over the top and ridiculous, especially when the team is winning. This is the last thing the team needs.
Yeah, but he's just a kid and that fades in time. It sounds like he's got some issues going on off the field so hopefully he gets those together and focuses back on being an athlete.
The only thing that could have made this shot worse for him is if he had a copy of "Transfering for Dummies". I kid. I hope he gets out of his funk and JOINS the team.
I don't feel sorry for him at all. Last year when D-Rob was in and fumbled and turned a snap into a TD. They did the chest 5. Today he didn't seem at all involved until D-rob got hurt and he put his hat on and started stretching. Then the most disgraceful thing period is when he had the towel on his head and looking like we lost by 30.
What ever happens its time for him to step up and be apart of the team whether he is #1 or #3. The goal of football is to win as "The Team, The Team, The Team". He should apologize to all his team mates.
Tate should've been cheering regardless of his own personal feelings. If he really feels he should be playing then he should tear it up and practice this week. This way he gives the coaches something to think about
Why are you so upset? Because you dont understand? What makes you think Tate won't start against ND? RR may have a trick or two up his sleeve for the Irish. He knows its a tough game, so why let Kelly see any progress Tate has made in the off season on the field. I think too many people are looking at this starting situation in the wrong way. You're not coaches; youre fans. Dont let your emotions spoil a beautiful win that many haters thought would never happen. We very well may be seeing Tate next weekend...
I don't disagree that Tate may end up playing next week, but I don't think it makes much sense to think that RR held him out of the game this week as a part of some ploy. For a kid who apparently hasn't exactly been firing on all cylinders in the spring to see his first action of the season in a hostile environment against a rival like ND makes no sense. If RR's plan was to play Tate next weekend without showing ND anything today, he probably still should have trotted him out there today to run a vanilla offensive plan when the game was wrapped up to help him get his game-speed feet back.
The guy started all 12 games last year, I think he can handle a "hostile environment".
If we're to accept that Robinson is much improved in both ability and confidence from last year, we have to also accept that players can take a step back. Forcier was cocky as all hell last year, and with good reason. The Forcier I saw yesterday and the reports of him in the offseason were NOT that same kid. Has he shown he can handle a hostile environment? Sure. Did he show yesterday that he could handle cameras and questions from folks hoping he'd make a mistake? No. What do you think he's going to see in South Bend?
We'll just have to wait and see.
I agree.. i remember seeing tate come off the field last year during a touchdown or whatever and denard was right there to congratulate him or ask him questions about the defense. I hope he stays and is playing for michigan and not for himself. But you know those Forciers they do like to transfer alot.
Bummer. I guess this week's media drama is all set up then.
I am pretty sure that Forcier has a lot more mature attitude about this than you do.....
Today is about Denard Robinson. He played amazing ball and deserved to based on his hard work. Everyone who is a true fan of Michigan football should be thrilled and happy for him. Including Tate Forcier.
That was also my first reaction... feeling really bad for the kid. But I agree with most everyone else - he needs a serious attitude adjustment, because we need him and we need him to be in it for THE TEAM THE TEAM THE TEAM and not just himself.
Tate showed some love to Denard as the team was leaving the field at the end of pregame warm-ups. Tate went up to Denard pulled him close and had words of encouragement.
Also at the end of pregame warm-ups the team was doing some type of running in a circle drill to get hyped up. I swear Devin Gardner's feet barely hit the ground, the kid was on cloud 9.
It was sad to see the camera show him just sitting on the bench all alone, with the towel covering most of his face. It reminded me of when LT was in the AFC Championship and just sat on the bench pouting with his visor on.
It's a shame it had to come to this, but the fact is there are 3 very good quarterbacks that Rich Rod recruited, and he had to end up last. It sucks.
Good luck to him
I agree that he should have been on his feet "hootin' and hollerin'" for/with his team, BUT remember he is what, 19 years old and the 2009 starting QB at MICHIGAN? I am sure it was tough to see DG replace DR and not to get any playing time in the 4th quarter. HOWEVER, let's give the kid a chance to respond...
This is a huge learning curve for Tate. Let him soak in this first non-start and non-PT game and who knows, he may become our biggest leader whether he's on the field or not! Once he sorts through his emotions, he will have the opportunity to emerge as a true leader!