(Football) Most P5 scholarship transfers out, since October: Michigan tied for 9th with 17.
Per Pix Six Previews. Tweet for reference:
Also noted: "Of these, all were within a year of a coaching change, except: UNC, TCU, Michigan.
UNC & TCU probably related to reaching new highs in recruiting class rank"
Who are the 17 players who have transferred?
EDIT: Here's a more complete list that only shows 15. A quick glance and outside of Jackson most were burried on the depth chart, or graduated.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Every-departure-arrival-and-roster-change-in-Michigan-footballs-2021-offseason-June-Daylen-Baldwin-167201766/#167201766_1
According to 247's transfer portal tracker, these are the 17 players who have transferred out since October:
- Osman Savage
- Charles Thomas
- Zach Carpenter
- Will Hart
- Christian Turner
- Zach Charbonnet
- Luiji Villain
- Dylan McCaffrey
- Ben VanSumeran
- Adam Shibley
- Joe Milton
- Hunter Reynolds
- William Mohan
- Giles Jackson
- Willie Allen
- Gaige Garcia
- Cornell Wheeler
Also, please don't shoot the messenger. List and information can be taken however you please.
I'll be pulling for the Wake Forest dudes (Vilain and Turner). I hope they show out. I've always had a soft spot for Luiji.
Sucks that we just had a Mario commit but lost a Luiji
I think Savage was going to be a real player down the road (and not just because I love his last name for a LB).
Carpenter would start at C...that hurts, no question.
I'm assuming Hart left because he lost his job to Robbins.
Turner would provide depth, I think he's going to do well...but our RB room is stacked.
Charbonnet hurts a little, he's legit...it would hurt more if we didn't have Haskins, Corum, Edwards...coached by Mike Hart. But he was a solid back.
VanSumeren hurts. But only because we lost out on his brother. Ben should've stayed at FB and should be starting this year with Mason gone.
Jackson hurts, because he took Worthy with him...and he was also a DANGEROUS return man. Hopefully Henning can have the same impact or better.
...literally everyone else was buried on the depth chart unless there were crazy injuries. They should've left.
But those 7 guys above, there's at least some impact to them leaving. In order, IMO:
- Carpenter - high/medium
- Jackson - medium
- Hart - medium/low
- Charbonnet - medium/low
- VanSumeren - low
- Turner - low
- Savage - low/no impact
...the other 10, no impact whatsoever.
Have to agree with this. Some of these guys really hurt, but others were pretty far down the depth chart. Granted, depth matters, but most of those guys would never have seen much meaningful playing time.
If you took the logic of some posters here, all of them were All-American potential and we're worthless.
I would have liked to have Thomas and Mohan stick around to develop and see what you get in a year or 2. Their impact would be low according to your scale.
Also still don’t like qbs leaving, would rather have kept mccaffrey and Milton but I understand they wanted a different opportunity.
How did Jackson take Worthy with him when one is Washington and the other at Texas ?
Because when Jackson left...Worthy lost his best friend at Michigan and didn't want to come/stick it out.
It doesn't mean they ended up at the same school.
If good players transfer because they're worried about getting enough playing time, that's a good sign for their position group. I think we'll be pretty good at WR and RB this year, for example.
Also, players that get passed by guys who are younger than them should probably transfer. It's good for everyone. They can go get meaningful playing time somewhere else and Michigan can bring in another recruit.
If Michigan has more roster churn, they'll have more opportunities to find quality players, similar to the benefits of oversigning.
If Michigan can consistently bring in more players, let them compete, see if they find any diamonds in the rough, and let the rest transfer out, it functions similar to getting a bunch of late round draft picks every year. Most won't pan out, but that's okay. It's all about numbers.
Take freshman Charbonnet and translate that into junior and senior Charbonnet and I think we really pissed ourselves on that one. Shortened season or not if you are ending a backs career at your school on carries in the teens that is on you.
This is a weird list. I'm not sure where they're getting their information. Several of those players are walk-ons...but if they're including walk-ons, there are several guys missing. And it's not just walk-ons who played (like Adam Shibley), because Gaige Garcia redshirted.
So...I guess what I'm saying is that I don't trust these numbers.
Yes, I thought the same. Google searches brought up stories of some of these walk-ons earning a scholarship (thus technically a scholarship player), but others are a mystery.
Hunter Reynolds: https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/26/another-michigan-football-walk-on-added-to-scholarship/
Could not find any such information for Fakih or Garcia.
It also doesn't include Phillip Paea transferring to Utah State.
True story! Wasn't sure where they got their information and assumed 247 was a likely place. Just looked again, and guess who isn't on 247's transfer tracker portal for Michigan...
Phil Paea.
McCaffrey and Charbonet were most definitely not "buried on the depth chart".
Maybe not, but we all know Charbonnet got very few carries last year.
More telling would be to understand if the transfers were contributors. Other than that, meh
Only Carpenter, who left for legit family reasons and Giles Jackson.
For the record, Ann Arbor is 120 miles further from Cincy than Bloomington. No matter what Carpenter said, there HAD to have been some football issues involved in his decision to transfer. I have no idea what those issues are/were, but if your personal reasons gained an extra 120 miles, you're not being completely transparent. Of course, that's is right. Just don't assume football was not involved.
Watch Tennessee sign 50 kids this cycle
More people have died from COVID-19 in Biden's first year in office than all of Trump's first three years combined.
That's a pretty staggering fact.
Not a fact, this is absolutely FALSE! And how the hell does this relate to the topic at hand???
EYB, please cite a credible source that isn't OAN.
The joke, your honed, is that COVID wasn’t around from Jan 2017 through Dec of 2019 (I know it was on this way up but very few deaths). The comparison is not relevant.
no material per capita car deaths in the seventeenth century? Maybe they were safer drivers? In the nineteenth century planes must have been really safe as there were no aviation deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
According to world-o-meters info there were zero American deaths in Trump's first 3 years in office compared to 188,000 in Biden's first 6 months.
It actually is a fact though...
More people have died from COVID-19 in Biden's first year in office than all of FDR's TWELVE years combined.
COVID-37 was a bitch, though.
Edit: never mind.
COVID-19 has killed more people than I have.
That might be a lie
Godwins law should be applied here as well...
One person's lie is another person's "alternative fact."
Maizen?
Don’t pay for a crime someone else witnessed.
Carpenter transferred for family reasons.
Whenever I hear dismissive attitudes towards transfers I like to imagine Brian Griese transferring in 1994 if the internet existed. "He was buried on the depth chart and had no chance to beat Dreisbach". Or Brady leaving in 1997: "He was a three star that couldn't win the job after three years, who needs him?!"
I'm not saying all (any?) of these guys are comparable to those two, but there is something to be said for keeping guys in the program for four or five years and having them break out as late bloomers.
There's a lot to be said for it, but it's going to become increasingly more rare.
Well, the way it is now we either have to recruit better i.e. find guys that will be early contributors or keep guys in the program and mold them. Wisconsin is successful every year doing this, they have minimal transfers even in today's game. There's a reason we can't seem to build quality depth when guys leave all the time before their senior seasons either to transfer or leave for the NFL even though they're not picked early.
Have you met today’s teenagers and young adults? They don’t understand development and constructive criticism.
Or it's easier to transfer than it used to be and many high profile players (especially QBs) have had success switching schools.
Who do you think taught them that?
Tell that to Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio St players...
Funny enough, they found hieroglyphs on the Pyramids saying the same thing.