ESPN's Luginbill on our FB recruiting
FWIW.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/26466/luginbill-on-michigans-2…
i actually think that luginbill isn't very good, but he's saying good things about us. so suddenly i like him.
How long do we foresee Mattison being able to play the "I coached Ray Lewis and you could be as good as him. Come play for me" Card?? I'm all about using it and abusing it, but I'd have a hard time seeing that work in 3-4 years.
Then we want to hear him say, "I coached James Ross, Royce Jenkins Stone, and Joe Bolden to the national championship. You could be as good as them. Come play for us."
Hopefully he can rely on his achievements at Michigan by then.
I think he will be just fine with out that pitch Urban Meyer said himself that Mattison is the best recruiter in college football.
Thats not his only feather. He can also say that he was the architect of the defense that won us a title in 97 and he was the DC for Florida when they won in 06. You, hopefully unintentionally, sound like those boobs on the sparty boards.
Definitely didn't want to sound like a sparty boob. They tend to be saggy and not thought provoking. Apparently this question was given the amount of responses to it.
Like I said in my original post I hope Mattison can hang his hat on the many accomplishments he and the Hoke co. will attain shortly.
Why would he stop playing it? It's not like Ray Lewis is an unknown among high school players. I guess I don't see an issue with him trading on that success.
Eventually, Ray Lewis will fade from public view. He'll retire and kids will worry about being like the Next Big Thing (say, Kellen Jones) rather than some old, washed up, retired player.
Right, obviously Ray Lewis (as with any player) has a public-relevance shelf-life, but I don't see him fading so quickly that Mattison needs to move away from his association with him in the near future. It just seems like an odd question and (for now) a non-concern.
I don't think he ever has to stop playing the Ravens-Ray Lewis card. Granted, it might not have as much impact in a few years, but it's ALWAYS something he can reference as a relevant achievement. Of course, as others have posted, you'd hope he'd be able to add his successes as the architect of Michigan's stalwart and feared defense to that list of achievements.
After all his years coaching and all of the successful stops along the way, Mattison is far from a one trick pony. Ray Lewis or not the man was pulling recruits long before he ever coached at Baltimore. I am praying he works his magic on this year's defense.
I'm sure people wouldn't mind being coached by Phil Jackson long after MJ and Kobe retired.
I personally don't see it ever fading. Ray Lewis is and always will be one of the greats to play the game. Retirement isn't going to change that. I personally never saw Jim Brown or Walter Payton play but if I was a running back and being recruited by someone who coached either of them it would still hold weight.
Recruiting services that give us credit: "These guys are outstanding scouts and have a keen awareness of how to evaluate talent."
Recruiting services that don't give us credit: "They don't know what they're talking about... (Rivals).
For those who want to point out thus hypocrisy, no need. This is recruiting. 99.99% of people don't know what they're talking about but can still voice opinions. Thats why recruiting can be so much fun.
Who cares about the recruiting services. We have ten guys that our coaches rated high enough to merit an offer this early in the process.
"They know what they want their identity to be," Tom Luginbill, national recruiting director for ESPN's Scouts Inc., told me Tuesday. "They know what type of fit works for them. That's one thing that is so overlooked and not given any credence in recruiting. Everybody wants to focus on, 'This guy's a four-star [recruit], this guy's a five-star.' That doesn't necessarily mean he's the right player for your program.
This is the truest thing i've ever heard about recruiting
ps anyone know how to make those yellow quotes boxes
Ever since the "helpful html" thread disappeared I have no idea how to do anything other than regular posts and pictures.
http://www.w3schools.com/html/
I hope this helps
Let me see if this works
ps anyone know how to make those yellow quotes boxes
If you switch to the plain text editor, you can use <blockquote></blockquote>. Put the text you want to quote between the two tags.
Thanks
i'd change my post but the edit button took a vacation
As to your first paragraph: I'm sure we all said that about RR's classes and Lloyd's last classes.
Stars aren't everything, but I'll take a recuiting class like USC's thank you very much.
Gotta love how Hoke and Mattison are getting the MSM to buy into the new program so quickly.
How do you suppose they are doing that?
You should investigate!!! There must be a conspiracy!
Either a conspiracy...or their work so far has greatly exceeded the expectations (and doomsaying) of all. They united the Michigan family (save a few crazed holdouts), got the love of HS coaches, kept nearly the entire team intact, kept Denard, got the attention (and commitment) of recruits, etc. It's not hard to "get the MSM to buy into the program" when they've succeeded at everything they've done so far. The real test will come on the field of play, and that will be judged when we get there.
I think I get it. The media loves the new regime in large part because the media loves the new regime.
...out:
...(save a few crazed holdouts)...
I wonder why?
He is our host, after all.
...done.
From someone at Espn. Nah ?. Really.
Gtfo !
Luginbill got his start in the Midwest, so his coverage of midwest recruits is usually pretty solid. Then again, he's a huge ND homer and tends to over-hype and usually over-rate ND recruits. Guess you can't have one without the other.
Aren't you talking about Tom Lemming? Luginbill was a Georgia Tech QB if I'm not mistaken and grew up in the Southwest.
I think your are right, the huge ND homer is Tom Lemming. There are countless rumors of him getting involved more than he should in the recruiting process.
Yes you're right, it's Tom Lemming. Mixing them all up.
...says this:
"We're going to be putting together the [ESPNU] 150 in the first week of June. Right now, the way we've got their guys rated, they've got three to four guys who are going to be in that ESPNU 150 grade range. So it's a strong group."
turn a beautiful sunny day into a fucking nightmare with just the littlest hint of ... whoa, "how long can this last".
This has been the best late January to early May I can ever remember ! Great U of M news on a very regular basis and tsio has finally started to show its true colors on how they have built their program ... with deceit and lies. Popcorn every day !!!!
Go Blue !
What I find odd about this piece is that Luginbill and Mattison both talk about how we need to get bigger on the defensive front seven.....and then we recruited guys about 215 to play on the DL.
I realize these guys are not even starting their senior year of high school and that none of them are projected to be DT or SDE, but complimenting our recruits because of how BIG they are seems just ignorant. In just about any summary of our recruits on a UM blog you hear about size being a challenge:
Contrast those comments about getting bigger with these from Touch the Banner:
- Pharaoh Brown - "He's pretty skinny at only 220 with that height. And if you look at him, he doesn't seem to have a whole lot of junk in his trunk."
- Mario Ojemudia - "He might get up to 225 or 230 lbs. by his senior season, but he'll have to add even more weight before he gets a chance to play in college."
- James Ross - "he's a little bit small at 6'0" to 6'1" and 215 lbs. He could get on the field at Michigan at 225-230 lbs., so I don't think size will prevent him from being a solid college player. However, it could potentially be a drawback down the road if he becomes an NFL prospect. "
- Joe Bolden - "He's not extremely big"
There is a LOT to like about our recruiting class right now - especially things like "wait, a linebacker?' and "hey - a highly regarded defensive player!" but saying that we're going after size and that we've been successful so far is just lazy.
brown and Ojemudia both have big frames, especially brown, and will end up growing into their body. I think it more that they're focusing on getting guys who will hold their ground and take up space rather than guys who rely on their speed to make plays
For those to lazy to click:
"I know what our recruiting emphasis is going to be," Wolverines defensive coordinator Greg Mattison told me last month in Ann Arbor. "We need to get bigger, stronger defensive linemen. We've got to get bigger in a lot of ways on defense, and that's how we're recruiting."
The philosophy in D recruiting has changed. The results will become evident over time.
Also, has anyone else noticed that coach Jackson is now recruiting SE Michigan instead of the South? They're keeping the coaching connection to Carr in-state. Apparently they are playing off the perception that RR was not received well by local HS coaches.
Ojemudia is a bit of an exception because of his height, but Brown can grow to be plenty big for a weakside defensive end. My comment about him being somewhat skinny was made largely because he was projected as a strongside defensive end, which doesn't make sense to me.
Also, Ross is already 215, which is bigger than two of our current WILL's (Mike Jones and Brandin Hawthorne).
I know you're commenting about size because of what the article says, but these aren't exactly midgets, either. They have legitimate size for their positions.
"They know what they want their identity to be," Tom Luginbill, national recruiting director for ESPN's Scouts Inc., told me Tuesday. "They know what type of fit works for them. That's one thing that is so overlooked and not given any credence in recruiting. Everybody wants to focus on, 'This guy's a four-star [recruit], this guy's a five-star.' That doesn't necessarily mean he's the right player for your program.
"There's got to be that happy medium between getting a great player, but getting the right guy for you. That can be hard to do."
The same could be said for Michigan under Rich Rodriguez ON OFFENSE. On defense, I don't know what they were doing. But they definitely knew what type of player they wanted at every position - particularly the skill positions - on offense.
I skipped this posting here a couple times because I thought it was about FULLBACK recruiting, and I kinda said "Eh, not that interested at this moment..." Hahaha...