2 minutes left, and baylor is up 20+. #1 seed back on the line with a win tomorrow?
(ED:LSA) Kansas crushed by Baylor 81-58
This will be a fun year for filling out tournament brackets. I think we'll see a lot of Duke and Indiana in people's Final Four predictions, but beyond that there really should be a lot of variation. Even those two feel very beatable.
going tonight, even if Miami has taken the regular season ACC title.
Great reminder that any team, any where can go down. (Perhaps we should have kept that fixed in mind after the admittedly disappointing (sigh) Penn State team.) Still some season to go with the tourneys and a #1 is definitely in play.
win against Indiana and win the BTT and get some help from UNC tonight and the # 1 overall seed might be on the table. Who would have thought that when Michigan lost to Penn State.
Gonzaga probably would have to lose as well.
Gonzaga losing before the tournament would be a huge upset even in this season of upsets - I don't think it's likely. We have to hope for a Boise State kind of scenario where they get passed as other teams get quality wins. They would anyway be in the West bracket and would not hurt our chances at getting the Midwest even if they are ahead of us - just need to stay ahead of Indiana/ Kansas and maybe State.
I was talking specifically abou the overall #1 seed. I agree that it is unlikely Gonzaga loses. I really only think the only way they lose the overall 1 is if they lose or if Duke/Indiana wins out and then wins their tourney. Otherwise I think the voters will see that they only have two loses and say "Oh wow! They must be freaking amazing!"
You love the surprises, but you hate them all the same because so much is up in the air. Especially this year, no one is unbeatable & so we should have a lot of surprises.
New Mexico just lost too, so that's another potential top 2 seed losing.
If we were to beat Indiana tomorrow and then again in the BTT, wouldn't we almost have to have a higher seed than them?
Yes. Easily. Question is, if we beat Indiana tomorrow and both of us lose early in the BTT then who gets the #1?
Probably whoever had the tougher schedule, whoever had the "better" wins.
This was a game I thought Kansas would have a tough time winning - they have been shaky on the road and have had more than a couple shaky wins in which they scraped by through good coaching/ questionable officiating. Baylor was desperate and got the big win!
We win tomorrow and we are almost guaranteed a 2 seed. Win 3 games in total (tomorrow + btt) and we will likely have a 1 seed.
Not only did they lose but they got beat down by 23 points to a team that is on the bubble
Shall this be the evening B-ball thread?? I actaully picked Baylor 3's over KU's winning margin for Streak for Cash, not thinking Baylor would come out and beat that a**. The win from earlier in the year became more impressive as the year progressed, we beat the co-Big 12 Champ.
Duke - UNC game without a title on the line is like Prince without a pickup basketball game agaisnt Charlie Murphy, "This bores me..".
Not that they appeared to be in line for a 1-seed. But it never hurts. This year has been crazy.
I changed the title to reflect the final outcome - hopefully the OP does not mind.
The glaring stat - Kansas did not shoot like Kansas. Indeed, their effective FG% was 42.9% compared to Baylor's 63.5%, and add this to Kansas having more turnovers and Baylor playing some spirited defense, and there it is. I believe that was the last Big 12 regular season game for both Kansas State and Kansas today, and as I did the math right, that makes them both 14-4 in their conference.
I'm not saying Michigan wins it all or even goes to the Final Four but with no dominant teams, why not us? There is no team in the country we can't beat.
Lest we forget, we are 20-0 in Home/Neutral court games this year. Our struggles have been on the road in the toughest conference in America with one of the youngest teams in the country.
On a neutral court the best and most talented team with great guard play should win. Yes, we could bow out early but we could easily make a deep run.
Edit: Oh and we have the best player in the country at the most important position (PG)
There's also no team in the country we can't lose to. At least in the tournament. After 20+ years of watching Michigan, I can guarantee 1 thing: bring your Tums for the tourney. You'll scream, cry, and elate all at once.
Yup but you could say that about any team. TCU-Kansas? Difference with Michigan is that we have all the talent in the world, we're just young and have struggled in raucous away environments. There are no more road games
And Kansas doesn't??? Come on now, we have no more talent than they do.
I'd also argue that we'd have much more fan support wherever we go, making the neutral site less neutral, in the good way.
I wish we could negbomb you for more than just -1
Yep. Win tomorrow and we are almost certainly a 1 seed.
That loss to Penn St is gonna hurt us more than you think
We're not the only top ten team who has that kind of horrible loss on our resume.
Kansas lost to TCU who is currently 10-21.
Georgetown lost to South Florida who is currently 13-17
Miami lost to Wake Forest who is 13-17. They also have losses to Indiana State and Florida-Gulf Coast.
If we're going to be hurt, I guess those teams will be too.
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we been in the Top 5 all year except for 2 separate weeks?
This is the case for both polls, AP and Coaches.
The most current poll had us at #7 and #8 in the AP and Coaches' poll respectively.
The week of February 18th, we were #7 in both polls.
All other weeks, we have indeed been at least #5 in both. We've actually been #2 in various weeks more than any other rank.
So why is everyone on here so confident we'll lose early in the tourney?
Yeah weve had 5 losses in conference on the road but this isn't football. It happens to everyone in basketball. Maybe because we haven't been in this position in 20+ years and our fanbase doesn't understand college basketball very well?
While I'm not one of those people, I think most are worried about our defense when we run into a mid level team that suddenly gets hot.
I agree with that. I just think teams need to worry about us if we get hot.
Once we get out of conference play everything is going to open up. My only real concern is if our guys are too exhausted from B1G play
and that was back when our defensive ranking was slightly better. we didn't get any better over the course of the year.
we can obviously still make a deep run in the tourney, especially this year. but our defensive woes are a huge red flag in actually expecting this to happen.
I'm beginning to see how UMHoops got tired of you.
Didn't we start the year ranked 6th?
Carolina playing some quality basketball down 12-0
both lost on the road to "bottom" teams.
Everyone does it, so it must be right!
Damn just sat down to watch and I see Duke must be strokin', 14-1 at the first tv timeout...
26-9 now. Duke can't miss.
I think we'll make the elite 8 at least.
Does it really make sense to hold for the last shot of the half when you're down 18 points?
As long as you have an agreement with the opponents coach that he won't hold it for a last shot after you shoot.
You could try fouling on purpose at the end there, if they have a bad FT shooter. If you put a crappy FT shooter at the line and he misses the front end, you could end the half on a little 4-0 or 5-0 spurt.
I'm serious. Why not go for a quick shot and then put on some fullcourt pressure? You might be able to force a turnover or a rushed shot. Or as noted above, you could foul. There's no rule that you can only deliberately foul in the second half.
Dribbling out 30 seconds seems like a pretty foolish strategy when you're down that many possessions. You want to lengthen the game there, and squeeze as many possessions as you can. (Not to mention that, in general, holding for the last shot seems to rarely ever result in points.)
We beat MSU and Purdue who scored 89 points against Minnesota today. I think we're playing well at the moment.
just say trey burke is his poy? out of his own free will????!!!! does. not. compute.
To be honest, Vitale is pretty fair to us. He's better to us than a lot of announcers out there.
When do they announce who the POY is?
online fb fan vote
The POY in basketball is not a single award like the heisman - there are multiple awards with different ballot submission and announcement dates. The Wooden award needs the ballots by Mar 25 and announces the winner during the final four weekend.
Gonzaga struggling at the half
So, given Gonzagas schedule, if they lose to LMU - would they move to a #3 seed? If I'm not mistaken, the team they're playing tonight has won 1 conference game all year. 1 game in the WCC
Don't think Gonzaga loses that game. Looks like they are pulling away. Would love for it to happen but lot of time left.
I know rankings are pointless and subjective and have no standard kind of protocol for being filled out. BUT.
wouldn't it make sense in a sport like cbb to rank teams every week based on, in that poller's opinion, what seed they would be in the ncaa tourney if the season ended that week.
I like Dick Vitale a lot better than Dakich. Vitale can be annoying at times but Dakich is just a douche. For as much as some on here hate him, he says a lot of great stuff about us like after GR3s 360 dunk.
I'm no expert but a pretty big overall CBB fan. I'd agree that we wouldn't fall beyond a 4, but probably not beyond a 3. It's such a touchy thing. I feel like if Indiana were to lose out, not likely, they'd drop no further than a 2, but we on the other hand can range anywhere from a 1 to a 4. So, that being said, there's a very, very good chance that Auburn Hills will be the destination for Michigan. If a team is a top 4 in a region they likely get the preferential treatment as to location of their games; Auburn Hills just so happens to be in our backyard. Our season's work shall not drop us down to a 5/6 range. I guess there's a chance, nothing's impossible...but no it ain't happening.
The people on the radio are wrong. We're 25-5 and the absolute worst we can do is finish 25-7. A 25-7 team from the best conference in the country is not going to be a 5 or 6 seed. Also, there have been so many upsets over the past week that the PSU loss doesn't even really hurt us that much anymore.
I don't know what region we're headed to, but it doesn't really matter because, as a top-four seed, our first NCAA site will be Auburn Hills regardless. The pod system has changed the way the regions work. Now only the Sweet 16/Elite 8 games are actually guaranteed to be in the geographical region they claim to be in. The first weekend's games can be anywhere. Auburn Hills can be a site for the East, Midwest, West or South region, depending on where the two Michigan schools are assigned.
I think it's definitely possible that we fall to a 4 or 5 seed. Yes, it wouldn't make sense, seeing as we're on the cusp of a 1 seed, but think about it:
A loss to Indiana drops us to the 5 seed in the B1G Tournament. The first matchup is against the 12 seed: Penn State.
Losing out would mean another loss to Penn State. Two losses to a piss poor team in the final 3 weeks of conference play would not look too great in the NCAA committee's eyes.
Kansas loses (Ahead of us in RPI and AP)
New Mexico loses (Ahead of us in RPI)
Florida loses (Ahead of us in RPI)
Miami lost earlier this week (Ahead of us in RPI and AP)
Georgetown lost earlier this week (Ahead of us in AP)
Beat Indiana, and we'll be in the top 4 in the polls again on Monday. Florida and Kansas should move behind us in the RPI when it updates. Even if beating Indiana doesn't move us up past teams that haven't lost, we'll still be in the top 5. I think that alone will be enough for a #1 seed in the tournament assuming we don't completely fall apart in the BTT.
We are also the #6 overall on Bracket Matrix right now. With Kansas losing, we'll be on the edge of a 1-seed. Beating Indiana will likely put into a 1-seed on there.
It's likely that either G'town or Louisville is going to grab a #1 if they win the Big East tournament. I think our chances for a pretty much require us to win tomorrow and at least make the final of the BTT.
And yet Lunardi still has Kansas as the final 1-seed. Wtf? Not that he's the end-all be-all but how can one leave them as-is after that ass-whooping?
They don't rush home to update after EVERY game