Do you think they've been protecting Milton?
A theory that has been hinted here and there on these boards: Harbaugh and Gattis sought to protect their lone working QB, and felt reasonably certain after Minnesota that they could get Milton through the next couple of games without endangering life and limb by running. They underestimated both opponents.
True, false? Discuss. If true (or false), what do the first three games suggest about how M operates going forward?
November 8th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^
If you're losing all your games, whether or not your first-sting QB is upright is beside the point.
Even if that had been true, it should've been chucked out the window a few minutes into the MSU game.
One other thing: If Cade (an early enrollee in 2019) is useless at this point it would be yet another miss (or episode of mismanagement) at the QB position. (My money isn't there.)
November 8th, 2020 at 1:26 PM ^
I think this is a possibility. IIRC, Shea had a pretty big game of running in one game and then it disappeared there after. Again, not absolute about this, but it wouldn't surprise me.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:27 PM ^
Protecting a QB to avoid potential losses in the future...while you are actively losing in the present...is counterintuitive.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:31 PM ^
And this decision would surprise you considering how awful the coaching has been?
November 8th, 2020 at 1:34 PM ^
It would not.
November 8th, 2020 at 4:09 PM ^
Getting him was many healthy snaps as possible in this farcical season is not nothing.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:29 PM ^
I'd rather run the qb every game than call the game scared. Justin Fields didn't get injured by having the qb reads on.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:38 PM ^
False. If we overlooked #13 Indiana, the coaches are even dumber than I think they are.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^
As explained in “neck sharpies,” if your quarterback is not a threat to run, this offense does not work. It is baffling why they don’t tell him to keep the read option a few times to keep the defense honest. Additionally, we never tested the outside with a jet sweep or other plays. Their corners were crashing in on the run, and we never made them pay for their aggressiveness.
Finally, as others and I pointed out before the season, an inaccurate QB kills you. Inaccurate passes are drive killers, and when you do have an accurate pass, the pass is dropped. It is very frustrating and results in an inability to sustain drives, especially when you can’t run either.
I have my doubts that Milton will ever be a great quarterback. He reminds me of Jamarcus Russell- physically-gifted but unable to put it all together. Being able to throw the ball 70 yards is not helpful if it is always 20 yards past the receivers.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:30 PM ^
November 8th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
It’s like having a Ferrari with faulty brakes. Being able to go super fast doesn’t exactly matter when you can’t stop.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:11 PM ^
Or a pitcher who throws 100mph but can't throw a strike. Worthless.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
If by “they” you mean the offensive line, then the answer is only sometimes.
November 8th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
I wondered that against MSU, but once we were down several scores against Indiana and we still didn't run Milton that theory went out the window. There's no way they would do that when we're down several scores to a top-15 team.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^
Would hope not. Need all hands on deck to get a victory.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:10 PM ^
Am sorry, but if this is true and we're coaching scared, then we deserve to lose. Better to win and assume the normal risk of injury, than lose almost for certain. And great players are often forged in the fire, which never seems to happen here at Michigan, where it seems everything is forged in practice. When we constantly practice versus a gimmick defense with no DTs, the players that thrive versus this don't necessarily can handle playing versus a normal defense.... as far as we know, McNamara is the superior QB in play versus a non-gimmick defense.... and this is coming from someone who thought Milton is gonna be a monster. This also implies McCaffrey... rendering judgment in our atypical practice is dangerous....
If Bo were alive, I think he'd have ripped our defense, point being is that we are practicing against a defense that nobody else plays, and it would ring true.
November 8th, 2020 at 10:36 PM ^
Bo did freely admit that he built the team (players and strategy) to beat OSU. And even thought that he lost a number of bowl games because of it.
I'm guessing we would all take that trade-off right now.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
No. You play to win the game.
~Herm
November 8th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^
I miss that SOB...
November 8th, 2020 at 2:15 PM ^
Joe Milton—another QB with a lot of talent and potential wasted by Jim Harbaugh. I can’t believe I’m actually typing those words, but it’s true.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
False - we’re just bad.
November 8th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^
Yes. This season is a bust, may as well keep him upright in anticipation of next year .
November 8th, 2020 at 3:05 PM ^
Sure. Just like they were "protecting" Patterson, Peters, O'Korn, Speight, and Ruddock.
Edit to add: The only thing they're "protecting" them from is putting up stats and points.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:05 PM ^
No matter how long Joe Milton is our QB he will always struggle with accuracy. I expect it to get better with more experience, but he never will be a Joe Burrow or even Justin Fields level in terms of accuracy. The coaches drew up a good plan for the Minnesota game, but for some reason have scaled back the last two weeks. Asking Joe to be a pocket passer with no RB help because we remain insanely vanilla with our playcalling, is doing nothing to help his growth. It also doesn’t help that the easy rollout passes have been dropped 50% of the time.
November 8th, 2020 at 8:42 PM ^
^^This^^ I never expected Joe to turn into some pinpoint passer, and I've seen him miss on quite a few throws this year. I've also seen a TON of drops, and not just laser passes that were thrown too hard. Many perfectly catchable balls, just flat out dropped. Add to that a running attack insistent on running into brick walls up the middle ad nauseam, and you have the hapless offense we are seeing on Saturdays. It's so frustrating to see other teams, capable of making effective adjustments in game when it looks like our coaches are not paying attention.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:18 PM ^
That's likely if you believe the coaches are saving everything for OSU after test running the offense vs Minnesota. If that's the case, it's the dumbest idea ever to sacrifice so much money and recruiting for a single game...entirely possible with this staff unfortunately ?
November 8th, 2020 at 3:18 PM ^
That's likely if you believe the coaches are saving everything for OSU after test running the offense vs Minnesota. If that's the case, it's the dumbest idea ever to sacrifice so much money and recruiting for a single game...entirely possible with this staff unfortunately ?
November 8th, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
Probably a safe strategy. Milton might not be great (yet, if ever), but he's probably several steps above Cade.
Never forget Bellamy (nothing against him, he tried his best).
November 8th, 2020 at 3:47 PM ^
Milton is 6’5” and an absolute UNIT when running; honestly he’s a massive dude. I understand this doesn’t preclude injuries to an ankle or ACL, but he’s much more built than Shea or McCaffrey or Peters ever was (or will be).
I think this theory is more of a conspiracy if anything, although you wonder if a QB run game was built more into the offense before the season started, and was yet another reason not discussed in the media for why McCaffrey transferred.
Also, I could see us protecting Milton against Iowa or Wisco with their massive D-lines that could put him in a world of hurt, but MSU and Indiana? Unlikely in my opinion.
November 8th, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^
I think Gattis is just a below average OC.
November 8th, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
How can you properly evaluate Gattis when Harbaugh is taking the test for him?
November 8th, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^
Milton is a better passer than a runner. Still a good runner for a pocket passer, but makes sense they are looking to throw.
November 8th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
This post makes me think that frustration has caused people to overthink in a desperate search for answers.
November 8th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
False. Coaches knew they needed to run against MSU, and especially against IU who is a far superior team to UM. I think the playbook got locked down, and both MSU and IU exploited a ? defense on our side. We chose not to adjust and pretend if the head is buried in the sand, good things will happen.
November 8th, 2020 at 6:10 PM ^
Can one "know" something that is patently untrue? They didn't need to run the ball against sparty or the hoosiers, they needed to score points which they failed to do because they were trying to establish the run instead.
November 8th, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
Time to remind everyone again, that there is no statistical evidence that a running QB gets injured more than a traditional pro-style QB. It was studied at the NFL level, and no correlation was found. People have crunched numbers at the college level-- I wouldn't go so far as to say a 'study' was commissioned, as in the NFL, but there are tons and tons of statistics available to even casual fans-- and no one has presented a compelling case to show any correlation.
The hardest hit a QB will ever take is most likely when he's hit from his blind side while waiting to throw the ball, completely unaware that he's about to get run over by a 240lb man with bad intentions. When running the ball, you're fully aware at all times that you could be hit, and act accordingly. If you want to save Milton from being hurt, don't continually put him in 3rd and 9, when everyone knows he's passing and the defensive coordinator can dial up exotic blitzes that are risky if you lose the RPS and the other team runs.
November 8th, 2020 at 7:22 PM ^
Where has this theory been "hinted" at?
If the coaches "underestimated" their 2nd biggest rival and also the nation's 13th ranked team at their house... yikes.
I don't know why designed QB runs haven't been called more either, but hopefully that's not the answer.