Denard's numbers
Denard was 6-10 for 92 yards while Gardner was 2-5 for 47 yards and people here want Devin to start. Granted neither are very impressive numbers, but is a 60 percent completion percentage worthy of being sat against Nebraska.
you can neg away, but it is true that half the people on this board have been talking about replacing Robinson seriously since the Illinois game.
November 13th, 2011 at 11:02 PM ^
This one was spot on.
November 13th, 2011 at 9:52 PM ^
Denard is number 16 in your program and number 1 in our hearts. Thanks for the stats.
November 13th, 2011 at 11:39 PM ^
Devin is number 7!
I'm good at this numbers game!
November 13th, 2011 at 9:54 PM ^
He had a boo-boo. He'll be great on Saturday.
November 13th, 2011 at 9:54 PM ^
Especially because you didn't end your question well either.
November 13th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^
It's not just folks on this board - Rittenberg's been saying it too. I don't understand why, but it is something people are talking about. Why doesn't it merit it's own thread?
FWIW, he's #1 on the depth chart too. As he should be.
November 14th, 2011 at 12:43 AM ^
The issue is that the OP is beating a dead horse. It's been discussed endlessly already.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^
Where the hell is 'here'?
November 14th, 2011 at 5:41 AM ^
There is no "there," there, but there is definitely a "here" here. Hear?
November 14th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^
nice one gramps
November 13th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^
I am not going to waste time by pointing out that this has been discussed . . . at length and on numerous occasions . . . in this board, and the resounding answer post-MSU was that this is a non-issue.
I will also not point out that since that time, both Hoke and Borges publicly shot down any notion of Denard being benched as the starter. Also since that time, Denard was great against Purdue and actually, despite numbers brought down by receiver dropsies, played great against OSU.
That all aside, not a single person who has watched Devin could rationally say that he should start over Denard. He has every one of the same downsides as Denard, but lacks the speed and experience. Also, Denard is actually more decisive and less afraid to actually throw.
Devin is NOT starting this year unless Denard gets hurt.
November 14th, 2011 at 7:14 AM ^
Denard's speed, but Devin is not slow at all.
November 14th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^
is no way that you have seen enough of Devin Gardner to say that he has every one of the same down sides as Denard. Maybe the coaches have seen enough to say that, but they certainly have not said it. In fact, all that has really been said publicly about Gardner, by Hoke, mind you, was that he is the more accurate passer.
Look, it is unlikely that Devin Gardner will actually start a game this year in that Denard will in all likelihood be on the field for the first play from scrimmage for the sake of continuity if nothing else. But I think it is ridiculous at this point to not acknowledge that Denard is struggling mightily, to a greater extent than any of us foresaw in a lot of very important areas at quarterback. Denard made some plays in the first half, but he also made enough bad plays in the second half to lose that game for M against a better team that Illinois.
If the contention is that Denard will finish the season as M's starting QB, that is very likely. If the contention is that he will continue to be M's staring QB at the beginning of next season, I don't think that is very likely at all.
His play is a problem. He does enough things very well to make it difficult to take him off the field. But he does enough things very poorly, at times often catastrophically (or nearly) that I think the coaches have to be discussing their alternatives at this point. (Alright, not publicly I get it, but Hoke also "publicly" said that Michigan State did not play a dirty football game).
November 13th, 2011 at 10:02 PM ^
November 13th, 2011 at 10:28 PM ^
At some point, the turnovers have to stop. It almost seems like heresy to talk about replacing him with Devin because Denard is loved, and Devin doesn't seem ready, but it is always about the team. You can't have two or three turnovers and expect to beat the teams we play the next two weeks.
I have wondered for a couple of weeks if everything is OK with Denard. He doesn't seem to be his bubbly self, although he was pretty psyced a couple of times yesterday.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:53 PM ^
People get mad bc there are numerous posts regarding who should be the qb, but when there are just as many redundant posts regarding RR. Where should he coach, he would be a great fit at this particular school, man wouldnt it be cool if hoke let him come visit a practice ( dumbest thing ive ever heard) and so on. Id rather talk about guys who are actually a part of michigan. Denard is the starter but If he went down I would not panic one bit. Devin is solid.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
wow you really went out on a limb with that sample size of stats...
November 13th, 2011 at 10:10 PM ^
of a bad thread with a worse title that I will eventually be able to neg. If the thread is trollbait the title should have to be also.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:39 PM ^
That's how they get you.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^
Watching our offense I know I felt better when #16 was in. I would actually prefer that he take every snap instead of the 2 QB stuff.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:23 PM ^
Monsieur Vader
November 13th, 2011 at 11:28 PM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^
our defense is on the field. Seriously, I relax more with our defense on the field than when Denard has the ball. He just keeps turning the ball over and I question his decision making. I think if you talk to objective fans they feel like his play has really fallen off. I personally think he is hurt and it is affecting his play. The blocking isn't always the best. The offense isn't conducive to his skills, but at the end of the day you have to stop fumbling and throwing picks.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:11 PM ^
We have a quarterback that has damn near 20 turnovers in 10 games. The back up quarterback is always the most popular guy in town.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:18 PM ^
A 31-14 conference win on the road, a 8-2 record, the two best games coming up, and you want to conjure up a QB controversy. Did you lose your 20-sided die or what? I'm thinking Michigan Football is not your primary concern.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
Denard only has 13 ints. That is far short of 20 just saying.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
does not mean 20 ints. Just sayin.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:23 PM ^
Include fumbles
November 13th, 2011 at 10:24 PM ^
include fumbles! so closer to 20!
November 13th, 2011 at 10:25 PM ^
Don't worry, I'm sure he'll be gone after this year along with roundtree, gallon and Vince. We may win nine games but the attrition that hits after this season will be serious. At least Denard got to get in some time early in the year to sell those ugly jerseys. Tradition!
November 13th, 2011 at 10:54 PM ^
Why would they come back to be completely phased out? You're not very realistic if you think those guys are happy right now.
November 13th, 2011 at 11:05 PM ^
Isn't Gallon our leading receiver? Not to mention Denard starts...
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November 13th, 2011 at 11:06 PM ^
November 13th, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^
not to mention, who transfers for their senior year?
November 14th, 2011 at 9:25 AM ^
Russell Wilson.
November 14th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
November 14th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^
RW was not a senior. He had already graduated and sought a Masters Degree at UW. He had 1 year of eligibility left, and didn't want another worthless degree from NC State.
November 13th, 2011 at 11:31 PM ^
Vincent Smith gets a lot of PT under this staff, Gallon is our leading receiver, and Denard is our starting QB.
November 14th, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^
and your Avatar is an Umpa Loompa
November 14th, 2011 at 5:52 AM ^
Why wouldn't your leading receiver and leading passer and rusher be happy with where they are at?
November 13th, 2011 at 10:48 PM ^
So those three are going to leave their senior year? That sounds real logical.
November 13th, 2011 at 10:37 PM ^
Ok you're right we should replace him. Devin will score 5000 touchdowns and never have another int. Did Denard do something this week to warrant people looking for him to be replaced?
November 13th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
I can't wait til one of these pops up every day in the offseason. Hooray for endless "Denard or Devin" threads!!
Devin will have his chance in the offseason. Until then, it's Denard or death.