Dante Moore Commits to Oregon
Happy Trails to our only QB target. Back to the drawing board for Weiss and Harbaugh.
https://www.on3.com/news/5-star-quarterback-dante-moore-commits-to-oregon/
Onward!
Mostly W, I believe.
Dante who? Never heard of him.
You spelled OWNED wrong
In this NIL world, nobody owns anything including this commitment. December is a long way to go.
Yeah as everyone knows that TRANSFORMATIONAL >>>>>>>>>>>> transactional!!!
(Transformational + Transactional) is what we need to be going for.
Long game complete. Now get CJ Carr to decommit from Notre Dame and go blue. Harbaugh playing chess to keep Notre dame from getting either guy. Right? Right?
Jadyn Davis seems to be the 5* 2024 QB more likely headed to UM.
Carr -scratch*
Moore -scratch*
David -yeah this is the five star we really wanted.
Yeah. He actually is. Wiess coached Lamar and wants a real running QB.
Really? They've finalized a solid NIL deal with him already?
It's a new era in CFB, and staying close to home, favorite coaching staff, or favorite team growing up or in the household is even less important than it has been over the past 20 years - which was already becoming an unsustainable recruiting strategy prior to NIL.
I remember all the bluster on the board about UM dominating recruiting if/when NIL were to be implemented because now 'we could spend with the "cheaters" ' legally, still doing things "the right way". "The Michigan Money Cannon!" LOL.
Instead, UM has once again managed to shoot itself in the foot and stay behind the curve. Meanwhile, Notre Dame - another institution with high academic standards that prides itself on doing things "the right way", has fully embraced NIL and is dominating on the recruiting trail.
If Alabama, OSU or Oregon is not the comparison - fair enough. But watching Notre Dame run laps around us in recruiting and NIL is quite disheartening.
Harbaugh doesn't want bonus-baby recruits
Meanwhile, Notre Dame - another institution with high academic standards that prides itself on doing things "the right way", has fully embraced NIL and is dominating on the recruiting trail.
Can someone actually tell me if ND is using NIL or not? Because people are saying ND uses NIL and other people are saying they have the same NIL standards as us. Which is it? Because with how they're recruiting, I tend to believe the former
I don’t understand why Michigan has such a difficult time recruiting QB’s. Is it because they are a run first offense and they don’t turn the QB loose and have him throw 50 times a game?? Harbaugh before arriving at Michigan was a QB whisper. I never expected Michigan to have such a difficult time recruiting QB’s. Especially kids from the state of Michigan. Hopefully JJ will be the guy they turn loose at some point and they show that they are willing to open up the offense and get him drafted high in the first round. When Harbaugh first got to Michigan and made Rudock look much better than he had at Iowa I thought the QB’s would be lining up to play for a coach that was able to get Josh Johnson to the league and turned Andrew Luck into a household name. But the QB’s have been average at best until McNamara and McCarthy. Michigan will most likely be a run first team again this year with what I think will be one of if not the best RB tandem in the country. At some point they need to show that they can get a QB drafted in the first round but until they open up the offense and show that they can do that it’s going to be difficult to get a great QB. NIL has probably hurt them in the Moore situation but Harbaugh knows what it takes to play in the league as he once played there and coached there as well. It just boggles my mind that they whiffed on Carr and Moore. On to the next guy I guess. They had better get the QB recruiting situation figured out because a team really is only as good as their QB. Defense doesn’t win championships. Offense sells tickets and wins games when you have a QB that has the ball in his hand at the end of a close game and can make plays to win those games.
This is all about Michigans' refusal to talk NIL presign or even post signing. Period. Kids are going with the promises. It won't change until the University admits the NCAA rules are unenforceable.
You are delusional if you can't see that Mcnamara is the definition of average at best. Ruddock is Harbaughs only success and he never played in the league.
And look at all the losses. Shea was a 5star and #2 qb prospect in his class. Look what Harbaugh turned him into - he just got cut in the usfl. Peters was supposed to be the best qb prospect since Henson.
Any Black qb is going to project himself to Milton's trajectory so that's a wrap.
Sad reality is that the qb whisperer has NO juice with top qb recruits. He's bankrupt.
In a game of Chess, Checkers and, Chumps. It's pretty evident we aren't playing Chess.
Harbaugh doesn't want big-buck recruits
Big buck recruits are likely to crash and burn at the first sight of adversity.
No 18 year old kid is worth the money that is being thrown around. It's going to make them even worse off.
Harbaugh is playing this properly.
Not a fan of Lebron James, but at 18, he was worth far more than was thrown around then.
I mean, you chose an unequivocal generational talent, perhaps one of the three best basketball players in history (and likely the earliest in maturing) to prove your point. He may be an outlier.
…and possibly Dante Moore as well. I mean they identified him in middle school and he’s been every bit as advertised at every stage since. He’s the best QB prospect from this state since Drew Henson. If he’s not a kid you don’t think is worth it, who is? Play the NOL game like everyone else. If a booster wants to drop the bag on a recruit, why should Michigan stop them? That’s their choice to do that.
I don't believe Michigan stop a booster from doing whatever
Team chemistry, Donor/Booster interference, the suddenly wealthy player becoming disinterested in earning their playing time...other reasons probably
Was Kwame Brown?
This is the same board who absolutely trashed Caleb Houstan for not playing up to blue chip standards. This is the same board that complains ad nauseum about Cade.
No but Kevin Garnett & Kobe Bryant were. There were no guarantees in the previous recruiting world. You’re going to swing and miss, that’s apart of life. However, never stepping up to the plate will leave you further behind.
I doubt Harbaugh is afraid to swing and miss. He doesn't believe in making High School Juniors promises of immediate wealth before they've earned it at UM. I think he's wary of agents and collectives taking advantage of recruits. He neither wants nor needs the distraction this pay-for-play business would bring to his program. If these players join his team and make money, he's obviously fine with that. Let him do his job.
That is a ludicrous comparison
If OSU QBs have taught us anything stars dont matter. Give me a Speight, Threet or Peters all day erry day. Yes I know we beat them with that kind of quality QB last year but 1 in 10 years shouldnt be the goal. Give me half of that top end talent OSU pulls in, just half, and we are all happy. Is that a crazy expectation?
Maybe we should just not offer scholarships, or meals, or good workout facilities until after a player proves their worth.
Nobody but you is suggesting that. And don't forget the spectre of student loan debt. Maybe high school seniors-to-be should be expected to display their excellence at the collegiate level before earning NFL money. If someone or some group wants to forego that audition, I won't blame the player for taking that money. Harbaugh doesn't believe in signing a player that expects that upfront money. Don't like it? Put your effort into getting Harbaugh fired. Really simple actually
Gustave - I agree with your take. Fans assume a 5 star is automatic, how will this newly minted 18 year old millionaire become a leader amongst his teammates when he signed only for $$$. You think the locker room, filled with none NIL players, think he is the savior ?
You know how to fix this? It’s really complicated so hold on:
Pay everyone on the roster
QB's in high school get all the girls, in NFL get way more money. I don't think the 5 star QB getting big NIL money will affect the locker room so negatively. Now--if the coach's bench warming son does, different story.
Easy for you to say.
You have no real time evidence of this since NIL is only a year old, and your anecdotal opinion is extremely weak. Dante is a composite .9942 composite recruit and the staff put a considerable amount of effort into him.
I don't believe this is all Harbaugh, but Michigan just pissed this opportunity away. This isn't 1971 when Hemi Cudas off the show room floor cost $5 grand. JFC.
There is plenty of evidence demonstrating what can happen when a child is thrust into the limelight with money and doesn't have the maturity to handle it. Especially when he's been told all his life that he is the greatest.
The first major experience with failure can be extremely disorienting.
You don't need evidence from NIL. Just look at child actors. Same principle.
You can't be serious? There are thousands of child actors who successfully handled the limelight. There are also thousands of 18 year old athletes who did and do just fine after getting paid. Think Serena and Venus ...shoot any tennis player except Jennifer Capriati, all of the NHL, half of the MLB, LeBron, Kobe, every UM bball player to ever enter early from Webber to Poole, every UM football player to leave early, Kylian Mbappe, Messi...all soccer players on fact, Tiger etc. All got paid millions before they could vote.
The old model of exploitation is no longer viable. Let's accept that and stop making silly arguments trying to rationalize it.
Harbaugh is not going to continue to recruit those who expect or demand upfront money. He has his reasons. What is so difficult to comprehend?
I disagree with those that disagree with your take. I fear that paying these kids ungodly sums of money will just require more money later. I wonder if the smart play might be going for guys that really want to be here instead of guys that can’t afford not to. The other thing I think of is coaches may not have to spend a boatload of time re-recruiting them every year.
I'd upvote you a 100 if I could. But there will be plenty of big money guys that are worth it, but your general premise is correct.
You do not seem to understand how modern / NIL day recruiting works. I guess we need to be content with the low 4 / 3.5 star kids as they seem to understand the TRANSFORMATIONAL >>>> transactional!!!
Do you understand how locker rooms work as well as Harbaugh does? Doubtful, yet you're one of many telling him how to do his job. Why?
I guess I don’t get why “locker room vibes” is the hill you’re going to die on, here.
It’s amazing to me how Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, OSU, et al haven’t had locker room implosions every season. Unless they’ve all been booster-bag socialist collectives where everyone on the roster makes the same flat fee. Those schools have been paying blue chips for years, and it hasn’t seemed to affect them on the field negatively as they continue to rack up championships.
Or is that The Michigan Difference?
WFNY_DP thank you! The reason is that there is no good reason. Lol. People are just inherently opposed to players getting paid. So we're going to lead with emotion and throw a bunch of nonsensical arguments at it and see what sticks.
You negging me, or are you negging Harbaugh?
I like "glass half full" contributors