Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans players test positive for COVID
Yet another obstacle for sports getting back on the field/court/ice.
So funny to see everyone spin everything. You test 100s of people you are going to get a few positive tests.
Every team has said the same thing when this happens.
You utilize the protocols you have in place and move on.
I don't think it's near as straightforward as you do.
There's a lot of money on the line, and the logistics of playing team sports during a pandemic of this magnitude are a nightmare.
It's easy to be cavalier, but pandemics are a study in math. Moving on in an environment where players are close together, to say nothing about spitting, incredibly heavy breathing, etc. with a a disease with an R nought that is above 1 is a problem because of the likelihood of spread. How about those old, overweight coaches with high blood pressure or medical personnel?
I get that society has to move forward for purely economic reasons but sports are a frill, and I say this as a sports junkie who, like many on this board, is dealing with withdrawal symptoms. If we get a vaccine by the first of the year, we can play football then. I'm not for increasing risk where there are alternatives.
Good point. I would love to see all coaches in hazmat suits.
and that should be a trend beyond the pandemic
Moving on in an environment where players are close together, to say nothing about spitting, incredibly heavy breathing, etc. with a a disease with an R nought that is above 1 is a problem because of the likelihood of spread. How about those old, overweight coaches with high blood pressure or medical personnel?
Which is why you should test them regularly. If they test positive they quarantine.
The argument for allowing them to play isn't that no virus transmission can occur during a football game, but that we have the capability now to screen these guys before they compete.
It's the logistics. Whom do you quarantine, just the person testing positive or contacts that would appear to be at high risk over the last few practices. What if a few coaches are possibly infected?
As for tests, the FDA has been allowing testing methodologies to be used based upon emergency use authorization. Both RNA as well as serologic (antibody) tests have questionable accuracy with some much worse than others.
We are trying to rush a process that takes time to work itself out, and with the resources being thrown at CV19, with an even break we aren't looking at a very long time. As I said in a previous post, we need to move our economy forward, and there will be a price to pay for that but a necessary price as throttling our economy will create its own risks. Sports don't fall into that category.
The math shows there is literally no risk for this age group. How can you say a study in math when the math shows under age 50 you have better chance dying driving to or from work. This is just to or from work and isn't isolating on supremely conditioned athletes in the prime of their lives.
I suppose you're also pushing for those under 50 should no longer drive either right since it's proven to be more deadly?
The fact we have data that clearly states this being at what we deem at a non risk type level in our society for those under 60 is crazy. One in one million aged 24 and under die. These numbers are astonishingly convincing
Do you understand that “literally no risk for this age group” would mean there is 0.0% percent chance of any of them dying or suffering any serious complications from COVID?
Do you also realize that there are thousands of COVID cases in this age group that lead to death or hospitalization?
How can I reason with you when you don’t even understand how the English language or math function
Translated for you: I really love sports and hate my fun being taken from me. So I'll exaggerate where necessary to make my point. Because I really love sports. And I'd rather be entertained than people be safe.
The 0 pct was and is never going happen. Good luck with that. When you want to join us in the real world will be here waiting.
I see you won't comment on one statistical fact I posted to your OPINIONS ONLY.
Thankfully most informed use data and not emotions.
Even if the players are young and healthy, it's not 100% harmless. On the off-chance an athlete gets a moderate-to-severe case, they might have to deal with permanent lung damage and their career is over. What if the worst happens, and Zeke is forced into retirement because 80% lung capacity just isn't enough to compete in the NFL. That can be tens of millions of dollars in liability.
That's not realistic way to look at it when you look at all the data we have on it right now especially with those in that age group not to mention our most healthy citizens
Not even sure a single athlete in college or pro male or female has even reported being very sick from this now THREE MONTHS INTO THIS yet that's still not good enough for some. What exactly is the standards you are wanting considering those playing have been nearly perfect thus far. This can be a bad thing for an older unhealthy person but literally non existent for those participating in high level sports. Nearly all have no idea they even have had it
If that's the case why not stop football considering the long-term effects of head injuries or any sport for that matter as many sustain injuries playing and will never fully recover from these in life.
Uh, but those few can infect a few more, and then a few more and then a few more and so on and so on.
You’re really not good at understanding exponential growth are you?
You do realize this whole thing just started with ONE case in China, don’t you.
But just keep banging the overreaction drum if it makes you feel better.
Good luck with that reasoning. When the heck did this become the standard with this let alone with any virus ever in human history?
If you're concerned with the risks involved then please stay home but let the rest of us go about our lives. That's unfair not to mention a slippery slope to expect others to give up their normal lives out of the mere possiblity they may increase your risk.
Where do we cross the line with that? Why not lower the speed limit to 20 mph everywhere as it's obvious that would lower risk of death for all citizens in this country.
People are out and about everywhere now. You don't think keeping an extremely small number of athletes from playing is going to have even the smallest noticeable effect, Di you?
The fact you say there is “literally no risk to this age group” when, in fact, thousands in this group have been hospitalized and/or died, tells me that you are unable to understand the real facts.
He's a sports bettor. He has a vested interest in getting the games back.
Way to completely ignore the point for one embellishment. The risk isn’t 0. But it’s closer to 0 than the actual flu in that age range
Why aren't you outspoken about the speed limit lowered?
It effects all drivers around you and would greatly decease death? Because it's completely unrealistic to expect perfection like you have no set as the standard
Sports are going on all over the world perfectly fine right now.
This is going to be so commonplace by August that it probably won't even make the news at that point. I just don't see how college or pro football will happen this fall accordingly. Unless they just hope to quarantine every player that tests positive for two weeks and let the others play and ultimately catch covid and also go through a quarantine process throughout the season, so on and so forth...
Football isn't happening this fall. I actually don't think that many people care, though. My guess is particularly the college players really want to play and I feel bad for them, though I admittedly don't know that is the case.
Unless they just hope to quarantine every player that tests positive for two weeks and let the others play and ultimately catch covid and also go through a quarantine process throughout the season, so on and so forth...
If we do test regularly, what is the problem with this? Football players have been missing games for health reasons forever. Moreover, the vast majority of these players are going to be in the low-risk category, so the main danger of their infection is that they might spread it to someone else . . . which is why you'd quarantine them if so.
Now, if some teams don't test regularly, that's another issue. There have to be agreed rules about that.
If you could test everyone every day and the results came back within a few hours, maybe that would work.
Otherwise you will not be able to prevent the spread.
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Yeah we know “It’s just the flu.”
Neither team is on our schedule.
None of this should surprise people. What is going to be weird is seeing how tight the self-quarantining becomes along with the tracing. Zeke Elliot, for example, doesn't necessarily seem like a guy who takes being told to not go out all that well, and guys may honestly not remember everyone they came into contact with especially if they've been asymptomatic and were possibly infected weeks ago.
Players/staff testing positive isn't going to fundamentally change the status.
A player or coach landing up in a hospital (or worse) from the virus might - especially if contracted in their job related activity. The leagues/teams can have them sign whatever waiver forms they please, but they won't necessarily hold in a court of law (let alone court of public opinion).
Sean Peyton turned out alright, and he's been donating plasma to antibody research every month since he tested positive.
Thankfully he survived with few major effects - others (a small, but non-trivial percentage) have not. Even some healthy and robust teens, 20- and 30-somethings are getting major permanent lung damage, strokes, and other problems as a result of their infections.
The next major COVID story to come from the sporting world might not end as well.
I'm not saying any of this to be a pessimist or to be hyperbolic - the severe cases will be limited in number - but the question of the public (and legal) reaction to a high profile case involving a workplace (including athletic workplaces) will come up at some point.
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There were under 400 deaths in entire country yesterday, the lowest total since March 26th. That number is virtually meaningless considering the fact 7,500 people per day on average die in this country.
Switzerland came out with a study this weekend that showed only 2 out of 36,000 people under the age of 50 died from CV. Most of which had NO IDEA they even had the disease. I'm not sure a single current athlete has even claimed to have been extremely sick from this in the entire nation
Washington Post study shows you have a better chance of dying driving to or from work than dying under age 50 from CV.
Facts are facts. Time we treat this at the level it's at for those in the sports world
Covid test results may swing some betting lines in a serious way this season. If there is a season.
I agree with you that the raw numbers of daily deaths is relatively low when looking at the entire population and daily deaths from other causes.
However, that underestimates the emotional response that can occur - even from statistically rare events. As I mentioned elsewhere, all it could take is one player (or coach) to end up in the hospital (or worse) and have it proven (or suspected) that it was caused during their sporting activities - if the response is emotional enough (and all media loves to sensationalize, regardless of bias direction), it could be enough to shut down school sports (again).
A lot of "maybes" and "what it's", but we are in still in the stage of hypotheticals now.
Once you realize that Special Agent Utah is rooting for the virus in order to say "I told you so" to everyone else, his posts make a lot more sense. Positive tests today among players say almost nothing about the chances of playing come fall.
Yes, COVID is bad, far worse than the seasonal flu. No, it's not a death sentence for everyone who gets infected plus all their relatives. We need to stop treating every report of positive tests as if it's the worst thing in the world. It's not.
Most NFL or college players who test positive will have mild to no symptoms and recover fully - and it's better to do so now than during the season. The small subset of worse cases are still highly unlikely to result in death. I would be willing to bet that no NFL player dies of COVID in 2020-2021, though you should not feel good about taking the other side of that bet.
At this point, the players returning to schools and immediately testing positive are far more likely to have caught the virus in their own communities, not through team-related activities. So I'm not sure how positive tests now say anything about the efficacy of the return to practice protocols. If anything, a systematic regime of regular testing and tracing, led by the schools/teams themselves, is the best way to ensure that the virus doesn't spread, compared to the mess that is the general public. We see how government and public institutions have failed to support test and trace, so the next best thing is the NFL/teams and colleges covering that for their athletes and staff.
Amazing