stephenrjking

July 17th, 2014 at 12:30 AM ^

I'd be all for it. A move to varsity would probably prompt the creation of a B1G hockey conference, assuming MSU added as well (actually it would be a "Big One and Little Five" with everyone trying to finish second behind world-conquering Minnesota). Still, I would hope that Michigan would play at least a year in the WCHA--it would give me a chance to see something I long for, a Michigan team playing in Duluth. I've been to LSSU, I already know how to do the four-person fan section. Let's do this.

Clark Griswold

July 17th, 2014 at 12:33 AM ^

Just gives him another reason to raise football ticket prices. Something has to find that program.

Black Socks

July 17th, 2014 at 1:39 AM ^

Clark has a point.  All these sports are huge losers.  Nothing wrong with club sports funding themselves.

When I was in school there was a women's sport advertising full ride scholarships in the DIAG.  They still could barely fill the roster.  How absurd is that?

MGoBrewMom

July 18th, 2014 at 1:20 AM ^

If you put thought into it. It's called Title IX. After centuries of being told to stay in the kitchen, or at least that sports are unladylike through all the societal norms, it might take a while to get things evened out. More girls are playing every year, and that is not a bad thing. Your own daughters may be grateful for opportunities that your mother never had.

Doc Brown

July 17th, 2014 at 9:54 AM ^

Exactly. Most people don't care about distance running, but I live and breath distance running. Being a dick to those who care about things you don't care about just shows your immaturity. 

Silly Goose

July 17th, 2014 at 1:37 AM ^

In order to have women's hockey they would need to add at least one more sheet of ice, preferably two. Would be a great addition to the new sports complex or north campus, and could rent it out if not in use by a team.

Gucci Mane

July 17th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

I'm all for this. My sister was the leading scorer on the team and I know she would love that. Although she told me there's no chance of it happening anytime soon. Hopefully media attention like this will help. Edit: my sister says that ice time is not an issue. They would barely need to increase the time they have now. The true issue is the extra money varsity status would require. I know these girls frequently miss 3 days of school for road games and it would be awesome if their dedication was rewarded with varsity status.

tdcarl

July 17th, 2014 at 3:44 AM ^

Pardon me if this is an ignorant question, but how would this affect Title IX? Would they have to pop a men's sport up to varsity too? Or just give more scholarships to the already existing male athletes? Or just knock down scholarships for other women's sports and re-distribute them amongst hockey?

LSAClassOf2000

July 17th, 2014 at 6:53 AM ^

Promoting the longtime club sport to varsity status would present a couple of issues. First is Title IX, which could require the school to add another men’s sport to accompany the addition of women’s varsity hockey.

If we did this at some point, I would actually not mind if they did it in a fashion similar to what the article mentioned regarding Ohio State's program. As described, it has definite logistic obstacles despite having two rinks (we would need to build the second one), but from the sound of things, they've made a go at developing it all the same and are willing to invest in good equipment and efficient travel (as OSU has to travel quite a bit and a team in Ann Arbor would as well) in the knowledge of the revenue issue. In other words, they have attempted to set the team up for success down the road, and that's how I believe we should go about it if we can get this off the ground.

gwkrlghl

July 17th, 2014 at 6:55 AM ^

If we don't have it soon, I bet we'll add them whenever Yost is finally closed up and the men move to a new rink. That facility would surely be built with the capacity for both teams.

And I never realized Michigan only has two D-III women's hockey programs and that's it. Bizarre for a state that I consider to be in the 'Big 3' for hockey with Minnesota and New York. I have to imagine we'd be competitive on home-state talent alone

Bando Calrissian

July 17th, 2014 at 8:01 AM ^

In the late 90s-early 00s (I think it was ~98-99 or thereabouts) the push was really strong for a women's program, and they had a few games directly after men's games at Yost. I stayed for one of them, as did a lot of other people. Honestly, it was novel, but not overwhelming.

Let's face it, there are a lot of legitimate questions about making it a varsity sport. There are, what, about five men's programs that actually break even on hockey, or so the common knowledge was a few years back. It's an equipment-intensive, facility-intensive sport that costs a great deal of money just for one team. Yost can't handle both programs, even with the increased locker room space from the last few renovations. Building a new facility for this? Where and why?

It's a cool idea, but at some point, we have to realize not every non-revenue sport is worth pouring a ton of money into. If we can support a great club program, there's nothing wrong with that. We already have an absurdly full slate of these programs. How many is too many?

gwkrlghl

July 17th, 2014 at 9:40 AM ^

Women's hockey would be a novel thing for a little bit, but it would probably be one of the biggest dead weights to the athletic department right away. Hockey is definitely an expensive varsity sport and few men's teams even make money - I think OSU and MSU are both losing money on it right now (or were as of a few years ago).

If it costs $750k to run the team for a year, that's probably a solid $500k loss (at best) on the books right there for a school that already offers a multitude of varsity sports

stephenrjking

July 17th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^

FWIW I live in a city with a pretty good D-1 women's program (UMD) that gets full facility, financial, and promotional support. I took my girls to a couple of games last year. However, for one visit the draw was a chance to see the Stanley Cup (a Duluth resident is part of the Blackhawks organization and brought it into town for a day--people got free admission to the game to see it) where most people who came didn't bother to watch the game, and then a family trip on a discount ticket deal. The big draw for me was the chance to literally pick our own seats, right on the glass. The regular attendance base is very small and dwarfed by the 6,500 arena. I appreciate that they put on a good show (mascot, lights, concessions, etc) but it was clearly nothing like a men's game. It works for us because it's cheap, it's an easy place to get to, and my girls are young enough not to care. There's no way it breaks even on its own. And, frankly, no way that Michigan can even do that well. Yost doesn't have the easy accessibility that Amsoil does, and while Duluth is a great city, there's not exactly a lot of competing sports and entertainment options nearby during the winter.

Greenwood_Slumdog

July 17th, 2014 at 9:00 AM ^

Would it be overly difficult for them to play at the AA Ice Cube during the season when/if Michigan is at home, and at Yost when the Men's team is away?

In general though, I do agree with you Bando. Adding Hockey isnt like adding a women's soccer team when all you need is a pitch and a locker room. I can't see DB springing for a new ice rink either at the new South athletic campus on State St. or anywhere on North unless they partnered with the USNTDP to build a joint facility. Is there a shortage of ice space in the greater area?

UAUM

July 17th, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^

I sat next to DB at an alumni dinner a month or so ago and being the father of a baby girl and former hockey play, I've been really interested in even the possibility that our daughter could play varsity hockey at Michian.  So I asked Dave if that was anywhere on the horizon and he pretty candidly said "not at all."  

I'd like to see it happen, and I don't care if there are no open skates at Yost, the AD already makes boatloads of money.  Make Yost only mens and womens varsity Michigan hockey only.  I can't imagnie that the mens team needs it 18 hours/day.

LSAClassOf2000

July 17th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^

Although not varsity, of course, we've actually had one for about four years now. They've got an event coming up at the Saline Library and tryouts are in September, I believe. They even compete for various cups with other schools - I believe Michigan State and a few other Big Ten schools have quidditch teams, for starters. It's amazing to see the impact of the Harry Potter books and films on pop culture really, where we've managed to reimagine and even play (and develop a league for) something devised for literary purposes.

Rochester Blue

July 17th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^

Quidditch like in the movie "The Internship", or has Michigan or MIT developed flying brooms now?  THAT would be varsity.  I'd pay to see that.  Not sure about the rest of you.

Black Socks

July 18th, 2014 at 10:22 PM ^

What is stopping women players from trying out from the current U team?  If you're good enough you make it.  If not you're not as good an athelete.