Concussions: What can be Done?

Submitted by WSU to Blue on

Sorry in advance for the extremely lengthy post, just my attempt at creating some “rigorous debate”.  But honestly, what more can the NFL/refs do to prevent concussions?

To say nothing has changed I feel is an absolutely inaccurate depiction of the situation. Check out any game from decades past and you’ll see 30 downs where a player gets  nearly decapitated and nobody bats an eye.  The NFL has come a long way from where they were when it comes to taking steps towards protecting players. Some hits are obviously malicious, but they assess penalties, fines, review plays after the game, and suspend players for weeks if need-be. The pads are as good as they can be, and there are jobs that are dedicated to researching and improving equipment when possible.

We would need to upgrade pads/safety equipment far beyond what we know/ are capable of doing right now, and proposing something like "take pads away" would never be taken seriously. If you ask me, the raise in concussions isn't necessarily about the player/safety relations (players are more informed than ever, causing many to retire early) but rather the increased level of athleticism, power, finesse, and speed at all positions.

Everyone has a "proper" way to tackle until you're faced with a 240 pound monster that runs a 4.4 barreling towards you.  Simply put, in the words of Mike Tyson, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”.  When it’s someone’s job to physically impose their will in order to stop you, these things will happen, and as long as you’re watching, it nullifies the need to take action because they’re still making $$$.

To my knowledge, there has been an emphasis throughout little league, and developmental teams to educate children about concussions from the start which should pay dividends to our up-and-coming athletes that could make it to the NFL.  Nonetheless, we’re still years away from seeing something like that pay off.  And as I’m sure you’re aware, the NFL has effectively gotten rid of kickoff returns, and could do away with them completely in the near future in the name of player safety.

SO, with all that being said, I present the question again:  With this becoming a major concern, what more can be done?  Do we allow the NFL to start by taking away kickoffs, and eventually tinker with the game enough to make it almost unrecognizable? Do we allow these hits to continue and just inform athletes that by playing the sport they could possibly be digging their own grave?  Do we assess targeting penalties similar to college football?  Because some coaches/ upper managment don't always make decisions with a players longevity in mind, I think if someone lobbied for a third party medical staff for teams, rather than one that works on behalf of the team, it could help so that there’s no incentive to rush players back on the field.  And as much as some people may disagree, I feel like the NFL is making an effort to protect players (and their wallets since the NFL has been under a barrage of lawsuits from former players) more so than years past, but it is nowhere near where it needs to be.  What are your thoughts?

I dumped the Dope

September 9th, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^

I wholeheartedly believe that if a player is head-injured despite no flags, the play should be reviewed by offiicials for egregious helmet-to-helmet contact.  With some standards and examples to guide them.

I offer two cases out of many that some will recall.

1) Torii Hunter Jr nearly decapitated in the center of the End Zone, no flags v Texas last weekend.  He had to exit play go to the hospital.  Possibly changing the outcome of the game as he seems to be one of their best receivers.  Texas should at least lose that player (if the refs feel its ejectable...I was yelling and throwing stuff at the no-call) off their team.

2) Shane Morris drunkenly walking towards the huddle and having to be held up by an OL after being head-smashed by Cockran and the resulting no-call.  No need to broil the surrounding subject matter any more, but my proposed system would call for a review.  Cockran should have been outta there.

NFL I don't have much sympathy.  You go against the highest echelon of strongest fastest most brutal humans in pads and there isn't much to do.  I do support giving players more dough for sacrificing their body but its not like they're in the dark about all of this.  The brain tissue can only take so many crashes against its shell.

brad

September 9th, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^

Two things would do it.

1. Take the steroid/PED issue seriously and limit the superhumanity of pro football players to their naturally supplied superhuman talents

2. Fix the helmet. The helmet is basically a hammer right now, it's absurd.



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MileHighWolverine

September 9th, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^

Take the helmet away and enforce tackling rules that prohibit head hunting and/or slamming people to the ground if you have their arms wrapped up.....guys will stop using their heads as weapons and hopefully the whiplash issues of slamming your head against the ground would go away too.

bmacjr11

September 9th, 2016 at 4:56 PM ^

Taking the helmet away is too dramatic.. Personally I don't like the idea of removing the face masks either, but if you want a solution, there it is. Helmet would be a lot like a hockey helmet but would be an open face with no visor or anything. But PERSONALLY, I am for the majority of football lovers that say these guys understand the inherent risks.. We are so soft as a society now.. Humans have a physiological need to compete within them, especially men.. And I am not trying to be misogynistic...It's certainly in women too... All the Gladiator, hunter, competitor, comparisons hold water with me.. So I PERSONALLY say grow the F up and concussions are going to happen.. The higher level football leagues have done enough.. It is all out in the open now.. If you wanna play football then play.. If not, don't... But if you want an answer that will change the game as we know it, that is to remove the facemasks.

trueblueintexas

September 9th, 2016 at 5:16 PM ^

I'll pay you $1000 dollars to let me come over and hit you in the head with my sledgehammer 10 times a day for a week. I promise I won't hit you hard enough to kill you during that week. I'm sure there will be no lasting side affects you will have to live with for the rest of your life. Who couldn't use an extra $1000 in their pocket? Too bad we have gotten so soft as a society, or you may have actually accepted my offer.

NittanyFan

September 9th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^

I get it, players want to win. 

But the Broncos were clearly, IMO, head-hunting last night. 

And anyone who is head-hunting has lost the perspective that "this is another human being that I am competing with.  I want each of us to bring his best effort and I want to beat him, but this is a person who deserves the right to not be physically targeted and go forth in life without any long-term negative effects after this game is over." 

We can talk about equipment changes and such.  But the lack of the above, as much as anything else, seems to be a core and root problem in the NFL.

Thankfully, I don't feel this is as much of a problem in the college game (last week's Iowa player not withstanding).  No doubt a partial reason why I enjoy the college game over the NFL game.  In tomorrow's football game, Michigan no doubt wants to defeat UCF decisively.  U-M players, and college players as a whole, also seem to have long-term perspective, as well.  It is honorable, once the clock hits 0:00, to shake your opponent's hand and say "I enjoyed competing with you over the last 3 hours, this was fun, thanks for bringing your best effort, and good luck going forward in your season."

somewittyname

September 9th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^

Step 1: Figure out how rams can butt heads without concusions (people are already working on this http://www.plexusinstitute.org/blogpost/656763/177147/Bird-Brains-and-R…)

Step 2: Design helmets to mimic what nature already does

Step 3: This doesn't actually come to fruition

Step 4: Meanwhile, minor improvements to helmet safety and protection rules slightly reduce concussion impact but doesn't change the conversation/controversy

Step 5: Control of NCAA over college football continues to detriorate and players start demanding pay

Step 6: College football collapses

Step 7: Without college football as a feeder, NFL collapses

Step 8: Football has now gone the way of boxing

Step 9: Michigan fans have much dissapoint

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micheal honcho

September 9th, 2016 at 5:40 PM ^

Woodpeckers have tongues that wrap around their brains. I think Rams have something similar built into their physiology. Tough to compare humans to species that evolved for a purpose.

Anyone who played football can relate to what I'm saying. There is a sweet spot where you're shoulder pads nest your helmet, lifting the helmet just slightly off your head, allowing you to absorb an impact somewhat better as it transfers the impact somewhat to the shoulders. If this could be built into them better and incorporate a longer decelleration cushion(gel?) into the helmet it might help.



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somewittyname

September 9th, 2016 at 6:04 PM ^

We can look to nature, but it seems like we've already found that there's not going to be a solution to essentially retrofit a design (human head) to be concussion free without some sort of complete breakthrough in shock absorbing materials or ridiculously large helmets.

username

September 9th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

Performance Sports Group (the parent organization of Bauer Hockey and a few other sports brands) along with some medical researchers have developed a concussion prevention collar that seems interesting, though I believe it's still in testing.  

They introduced the concept last fall and released a video of the entire presentation. The video is over an hour long, but fairly interesting if you have the time.  If you want to see the actual product, go to the 45 minute mark.

https://c3gather.wistia.com/medias/ju7jg6x39y

They started with the same idea mentioned above regarding rams and woodpeckers somehow cushioning their brain.  

In very basic terms, the collar worn around the neck slightly restricts blood flow from the head back into the body.  In theory, this slight build up of blood in the head acts as a cushion to the brain.  

I haven't heard much about this product since the presentation was made last fall which makes me wonder whether the results of the trials weren't as promising as they hoped. It would be great if something like this could help prevent at least a portion of the head injuries that occur.

BornInAA

September 9th, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^

So a nurse pricks herself and gets hepatitis. She was trained in protocol and knows the risks. Still, she had an accident or was careless. This illness can follow her throughout her life. I guess we shouldn't have nurses because they might get sick - or we ban needles.

So a guy in a werehouse picks up a 50lb box and rips up a disk in his back. He was trained on lifting risks and knee bending and when to use assists. With this injury, he has cronic back pain the rest of his life. I guess nobody should lift anything ever because they might get hurt.

So a mom smashes her car into a pole and get a head and neck injury. She was trained to drive a car and is fully aware of the law not to text and drive. She did it anyway - got lazy or forgot. She has headaches and neck trouble for years. I guess we should stop driving cars - too risky, or ban smart phones.

So a football player goes full speed helmet to helmet tackle. He gets a concussion. He was trained not to do that - rather to "heads up" or "roll" tackle. He got lazy or in the heat of the moment forgot. He keeps doing this and later in life has memory issues. I guess we ban football or tackling, too dangerous.

Life is full of risks. You train people the best you can to avoid them. But you cannot prevent every lapse of judgement. 

Maybe we should leave all of this to robots and never get hurt:

 

 

LSAClassOf2000

September 9th, 2016 at 6:12 PM ^

I never, ever liked this sort of equivocation that some people have done on the concussion argument, or indeed on several topics, many of which we can't discuss here. To this point, however, I think there are enough relevant dissimilarities between the risks inherent in playing football  and these scenarios that this is a bad approach to the issue. At least to me, it seems like a lazy way to defend the status quo and does nothing to advance an argument. 

OwenGoBlue

September 9th, 2016 at 6:56 PM ^

That lazy argument conveniently ignores the demographic trends regarding who plays football and accompanying moral quandaries for fans. It's a useful straw man. Socioeconomically (no politics I swear!) it seems we're primed to keep football rolling for a while - plenty of money for corporate luxury boxes accompanied by a wide segment of the population seeking a way out of their current status and willing to subject themselves to increased risks. Obviously the trends are all broad strokes and plenty of well to-do kids still play. I played. I watch. If I had a football-aged son I don't know if I would allow it.

StraightDave

September 9th, 2016 at 6:03 PM ^

If you don't want to try out for the NFL, then don't play college ball.   Earn an academic scholarship instead.  

Michigoss

September 9th, 2016 at 6:16 PM ^

Have an independant physician present to evaluate for potential concussion injuries. If a concussion is found or suspected, the player cannot return to the game. If it is due to an irresponsible hit, the player that caused the concussion also cannot return to the game AND the team gets to choose a player from the offending team that also cannot return to the game. 

Trebor

September 9th, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^

Make legitimate targeting suspensions truly count. You hit a guy in the helmet with your helmet at high speed, and a panel of officials say "yes that's intentional," you sit out half a season. Do it twice, you lose a full season. Thrice and your career is over.

Snake Eyes

September 9th, 2016 at 6:30 PM ^

Wonder if some form of controlled/artificial meningitis (swelling of the protective meninges layers of the brain) could be used to temporarily fill the void between the brain and skull to limit relative movement. 

 

More realistically, increasing DHA and EPA intake (e.g., brain-armor.com  - a product apparently used by both MSU and Alabama) appears to have some benefits toward reducing traumatic brain injury.

US Patent Publication: 2011/0257267 patent application showing oral administration of fish oil can be used to counter traumatic brain injury (in rats)

Journal of Neurotrauma: Wu et al; DHA counteracting disabilities after TBI (in rats)

Orthotropic

September 9th, 2016 at 6:37 PM ^

Make the cleats worse.  We can make revisions to the helmet, but the brain is still banging around the skull when the head  abruptly stops moving.  That acceleration/decleration can only be modified so much by adding padding.   Reduce the impact force, by reducing the ability of the defender to launch themselves. 

You could add offense by having different cleats for offensive and defensive players.  That would be better for the game than adding ticky-tack pass interference penalties.

If you want to protect a building from an earthquake, you can make it stronger...or you can base isolate it.

JTrain

September 9th, 2016 at 8:15 PM ^

I get it but I don't think making things more slippery or sliding around on bad cleats is going to reduce injuries. It may change the nature of the injuries but not necessarily reduce them.



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Gr1mlock

September 9th, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^

Technology can do a lot.  Shoulder pads that are less "big hunks of plastic" and more squishy.  Helmet technology exists that is way safer but "looks weird" so nobody uses it.  I'm also a proponent of the "get rid of helmets entirely" school of thought, but I recognize that will never happen.  There's no way to make football 100% safe, but there's ways to make it safer without fundamentally changing the mechanics of the game.

 

The problem is we don't really want to make it better.   We want big crushing hits, we want kickoff returns, we want to see a guy get decapitated.  Watch {insert highlight show of choice} and you'll largely see two things from an NFL game: scoring plays and huge hits.  We want to talk about removing violence from the game and making it safer, but push comes to shove, as consumers, we want the violence.  

JTrain

September 9th, 2016 at 7:47 PM ^

Yes. All this technology stuff is great. The problem of rapid deceleration still exists tho. Coup contrecoup.
And like you just said...how fun would it be if they all wore giant sumo wrestling nerf outfits??!? Probably not much.
I think this is a big reason Harbaugh is so involved. He's trying to save the game. A dangerous game. Trying to teach it right. They all better take a vested interest in the teaching part of it if they want it to be as good as it is now...in 30 years.



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blueinbeantown

September 9th, 2016 at 9:20 PM ^

Last night was an embarrassment for the NFL.  After talking about concussion testing and on field protocols, what happened during the game, nothing.  Newton didn't know if he was in Denver, Detroit or Dubai after the last hit. Where were the reviewers on the field and in the box?  Typical NFL, all talk and no action.

Then their was the head hunting by Denver, which plays on the edge in terms of head shots and knee targeting.  Newton took at least 3-4 helmet shots, clear launching, only 1 flag which was cancelled out by an intential grounding .  Went after Benjamin's knees a couple times.  Very dirty team.  

Mgodiscgolfer

September 9th, 2016 at 10:26 PM ^

# 1. Live with the concussions

# 2. Banish the NFL I don't believe they have a patent on pro football from Sept. to Jan.

Its just that easy you either shut up or put up. Bring back the USFL with concussion rulings with teeth in them to preserve the athletes. OR STFU.........and as always Go Blue!

No I'm not. I quit drinking.... AGAIN.

Besides. I don't even care about my opinions why should you?