Coach Gattis discusses Joe Milton, Michigan's offense, and More
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:02 PM ^
Is he better than Shea Patterson?
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^
Yes and no.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:17 PM ^
More importantly, is he better than Shea's hype?
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:13 PM ^
Nobody's better than Shea's hype!
September 23rd, 2020 at 9:32 PM ^
Shane Morris' hype is WAY better than Shea's hype.
In fact, it's not even close. Shane's hype won a Heisman.
September 24th, 2020 at 7:59 AM ^
All I want is the "Preseason Hype" of one of our offensive players to actually reflect on the field. Just one time.
September 23rd, 2020 at 7:04 PM ^
Not sure what his handicap is.....
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:21 PM ^
The words "power and accurate" concerning his arm, would answer you question.
That and pocket presence.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
This is 50 minutes long. Can the OP or anyone else provide a helpful summary or important time stamps? I can offer a measly upvote for the troubles.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
I too would like a summary. There's an upvote to throw in with yours.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^
I'm still getting through it - lots of coachspeak, as can be expected.
A few bits:
On Nico's possible return - Gattis notes that he has been talking with Nico a lot and seems to imply that the door is still open for him to return. Says that he supports Nico either way and that Nico will make an announcement when he is ready.
On QBs - Says that no starter has been named and that Joe and Cade are both competing. Says both QBs have the same playbook and that Cade is expected to be able to run all the same plays.
Names TE Erick All as a standout player in camp.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:47 PM ^
This is what I find confusing about Nico's situation: seemingly everyone complained that we haven't thrown it to him enough. If that was true, shouldn't there be a relative dearth of highlight footage for him (as compared to the other star WRs considering the draft)? And, if so, why would he not want to return considering that he would likely be the #1 target in Gattis' offense this year? Unless it is something personal (maybe he doesn't want to return the agent money, doesn't like doing class & football, falling out with coaches, etc.) - it just seems odd.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^
I hear you and would be selling Nico on the idea of a Henne-Edwards relationship with Milton.... but his departure doesn't surprise me. While WRs are a competitive group in the NFL draft and he doesn't have a ton of highlights to lean on....he can take a season off, kill it at the combine, kill it at some workouts, and do fine.
I'm more perplexed and dumbfounded by McCaffrey. I literally can't make sense of it other than him being pissed that Milton has caught or passed him.
- Even if Milton has passed him, it can't be by a mile (or the coaches should make sure it doesn't seem like it.)
- We all know that it takes two QBs to get through a season
- He won't lose a year of eligibility if he stays or leaves later
- He's still in class to be able to graduate this semester
- Even if he found a way to transfer right away, he's ineligible to play this season.
Why wouldn't Dylan stay, fight it out, know he's one snap away from lots of playing time, can transfer at the end of the season and join a new team in the spring, and still keep all of his eligibility.
Don't get it man.....
I also don't quite get Ambry's decision either because I seriously doubt he has enough film to feel secure with his draft position a year after Hill went undrafted after a stellar career.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^
I think Ambry's decision was health related, unless I'm swapping players in my mind...
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:06 PM ^
I thought that was logical speculation on our part given his Colitis...but I'm not sure if he or his family ever said that.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:16 PM ^
I do not recall hearing any rationale from Thomas for opting out either. As far as I can tell, the only link between Thomas' colitis and decision to opt out is fan speculation.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:38 PM ^
He might not have said it, but his colitis is a big deal and he is likely on some serious immune suppression drugs to keep it under control. A very, very high risk individual if he were to get COVID.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^
Colitis is linked to an autoimmune disorder. So it would certainly make sense that he wouldn't want to risk it.
September 24th, 2020 at 12:17 PM ^
Sort of. He's likely on immunosuppressive drugs that could make a bout with COVID-19 worse than usual for him. A bigger factor, though, is that likely that coming back could really hurt his draft stock if his UC flares again. That would be a huge red flag for NFL teams who expect their draftees to, you know, play. If it happens while he sits out, they don't find out.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^
What if the coaches were talking about “redefining starting qb” again or trying to install some of that 2 qb stuff we saw with Shea and Dylan. And he just said fuck this, I got sold on that last year I’m not falling for that again, either name me the starter or I’m out.
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^
Nico I understand because teams look at potential and Nico showed out the times he was thrown to.
Dylan is a bit stranger but not because he wants to transfer. I find it odd that Joe saw little to no time last year, see the Bowl game in Milton’s backyard when the coaches didn’t give him a measly snap, strange. And now there’s this big shift to Joe as the clear leader in the clubhouse to start as QB? I just hope it is all because Meritocracy actually took place this time and not because some other reason the coaches wanted to have Joe in.
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:17 PM ^
Another poster mentioned this in another thread, but Dylan could transfer to Northern Colorado where his dad is head coach and play spring football.
September 24th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^
Sam Webb had a guy on the other day (Spath?) who hinted that part of McCaffrey's decision was due to health concerns. But that doesn't jibe with the fact his parents were here a week earlier advocating for football this season. For all the reasons you listed it doesn't make any sense, other than just basic wounded pride.
September 24th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^
Emotions man. They can cause irrational decisions.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:13 PM ^
FWIW McShay has him in the first round. If people are telling Nico he is a first rounder why come back?
September 23rd, 2020 at 7:30 PM ^
McShay is an idiot. There. I said it
September 23rd, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^
I think McShay sucks too. I remember he was talking about a college LB one time and saying how he’ll play 3-4 OLB in the NFL and that didn’t make sense to me, the player didn’t fit that role. After he was done talking, Spielman, who was also on the broadcast, was like I don’t see this player being a 3-4 LB ever in the NFL, that’s not the type of player he is. That pretty much solidified my thoughts on McShay.
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:04 PM ^
Some projected first rounders just love their team. See: Jalen Mayfield.
September 24th, 2020 at 9:19 AM ^
I don't think that is a fair comparison. Jalen has less positive film than Nico. Even though Jalen played well against OSU and Alabama those are only 2 games. Nico had more than that and has obvious talent. Jalen needs another season to guarantee his 1st round status. Right now he MIGHT be a first round pick.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:43 PM ^
I also think now that a lot of players at other schools are opting back in (Bateman - MN) that you almost need to come back to, at a minimum, maintain your draft stock.
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:30 PM ^
Scouts could care less...the film from his 1st 3 seasons are enough to give them a solid grade on him. We always look at the chance to improve players stock, but the opposite is true too! If he feels he has done enough to make a decision on his future, I respect the decision he has come to.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:41 PM ^
Interesting that "no starter has been named," but Cade is expected "to run all the same plays" as Joe. You would think if it really was a competition, you wouldn't measure Cade's expectations to what Joe is already doing.
September 24th, 2020 at 5:16 AM ^
I read that as more of a statement on the offense not changing based on who is in there at QB. Joe/Cade aren’t getting special packages that the other isn’t getting. Kinda like how the offense changed a bit and there were more QB runs when Dylan played last year because he was more capable/willing to run than Shea.
September 24th, 2020 at 1:36 PM ^
Please don't read too much into my paraphrase of what Gattis said.
Angelique asked a question about whether they viewed Cade as more of a "game manager" quarterback and Gattis said no they don't, Cade is expected to run the entire offense and they didnt have a different offensive package for Cade.
That said - I assume that the "no starter has been named" is the usual coach-speak designed to motivate Joe. Tbh, Gattis seemed to be fairly limited in his praise of Joe and (this is pure conjecture on my part) if I had to bet money, I would say there's probably more some issues with Joe the coaching staff is not happy with yet and this is their way of trying to motivate him.
Gattis had praise for Cade, but i felt more like "Cade can use the big boy potty now!" rather than somebody who was about to take over the team.
September 23rd, 2020 at 6:51 PM ^
All good!
September 23rd, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
Mentioned the WR group as special. Made an odd comment where he never felt that last year. Then said this group will need to show it on Saturday’s. He talked very highly of the receivers.
September 24th, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
I think he does he tends to talk up groups fans are concerned about and talk down groups getting hype. He did this last year with the running backs and receivers, respectively.
It wasn't just coach speak either, in the end--we did have a surprisingly solid RB room.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:48 PM ^
Watched the entire video. Following were my takeaways / impressions:
Needs to improve from 2019:
- Reduce fumbles - both RB and QB
- More explosive run plays
- Improve pass completion percentages (both QB accuracy and WR drops)
Keys to the 2020 camp:
- develop OL physicality
- ball security at RB
- develop WR packages that are explosive
- great TEs need to be better utilized (cited All as explosive)
He hyped everyone, including Joe and Cade. Seems excited about team growth, but maybe a bit concerned about OL not having enough reps in full pads.
This is the apparent depth chart:
- QB - Milton / McNamara
- RB - Charbonnet / Haskins
- HB - Evans / Corum
- WR - Wide open ... package driven including the frosh
- TE - Eubanks / All / Schoonmaker
- OT - Mayfield / Hayes / Stueber
- OG - Filiaga / Barnhart / Keegan
- C - Vastardis / Carpenter
September 23rd, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^
Thanks. I like that they're listing HB as its own position -- feels like some of the most exciting things in offense (recent Oklahoma and last year's LSU) made use of a lot of two back threats where both are running and receiving threats. Given the packed slot and RB rooms, I'm hoping to see a lot of this getting used.
September 24th, 2020 at 6:46 AM ^
He said that's the depth chart?
September 24th, 2020 at 11:26 AM ^
"Apparent" depth chart that I derived from how he spoke about each person in each position group. WR group was all over the map. Definitely most excited about the WR room, but was not yet certain on how to deploy all the weapons. Part of the 2020 camp goals was to develop the most explosive "packages" of WRs ... did not sound like a true depth chart with so many guys to move around depending on the schemes.
September 24th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
Very much appreciate the summary!
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
So what are the key take aways for those of us who currently can't listen to the whole thing?
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:09 PM ^
I just hope Nico comes back! He could definitely help Milton so much...
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
I didn't watch the whole thing because (looks at 50-minute running time), but I noticed that Gattis did make a golf reference when talking about Milton (that he had that extra cub in his bag, assuming in reference to his arm), so that was fun. But just a lot of generalities there; lots of "he's made great strides and has a great arm" stuff, which is positive but also not necessarily particularly instructive.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:30 PM ^
I need an extra golf cub for my bag. A Panda will do.
September 23rd, 2020 at 5:39 PM ^
As long as it's not a Shea-type golf reference.....
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^
For those looking for a quick write up...here you go.
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:37 PM ^
Not related, but if msu doesn’t get their shit together then our game vs them will get cancelled. Dumbasses
September 23rd, 2020 at 4:42 PM ^
I think he said Milton can throw the ball with speed over space mountain