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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 PM
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cypress
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CC- "Hoke..not an option"

Has Brian explained what he meant by this yet? Is this a direct quote from someone who would know, or just his personal opinion? I'm sure this has been covered, but I still think its comical how people automatically dismiss him because he isnt a big name at the moment. I've heard a lot of cfb experts weigh in and say he's a really good coach and would be a great hire for us. Yet I know we have a fickle fan base that feels we "have to have a big name coach, because we're Michigan". I think we all know Harbaugh is plan A, but if that deal doesnt get done, it will be very interesting to see Brandon's backup plan. So, I'd be very curious to know if Hoke is indeed not under consideration, and if he's not..who is. I cant really buy Fitzgerald.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 PM | I'm glad you didn't post this (Score:1)
OMG Shirtless
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I'm glad you didn't post this in the front page post.  That would have made entirely too much sense.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 PM | In most situations I would (Score:1)
Plegerize
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In most situations I would agree with you OMG, but seeing the situation we find ourselves in at this time, I think it's appropriate discussion material.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:51 PM | And we couldn't have (Score:1)
david from wyoming
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And we couldn't have discussed this on the front page post....oh wait...we did!

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January 4th, 2011 at 12:03 AM | Touche. (Score:1)
Plegerize
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.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 PM | Wonderful idea. However, I've (Score:1)
cypress
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Wonderful idea. However, I've read through over 200 responses more than once already, and unlike some people on here, I really dont sit on here all day. The format makes it difficult since new resonses often go in front of older ones.

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:59 PM | I'm interested in the answer too (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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But also think it could have gone front page.



But wanted to see if you know that you can set the new posts to be on the top or bottom, and if you set it for 300 per page, it'll show you all the new one's in red, so you don't have to read them all again, just scroll through.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

January 4th, 2011 at 12:07 AM | I did not. Thank you for the (Score:1)
cypress
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I did not. Thank you for the info.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:30 AM | Tried to make it sound the least douchey (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
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As I could. Between the Internet, and my personality, it wasn't easy. On the actual website, check the control adjustments right over the posts (300 a little longer to load, but over 95% will be on one page, and you'll get the new label under every post that's, well, new). Even on the App you can set whether the posts go up or down on the log in page.

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January 4th, 2011 at 2:06 AM | And you did great! (Score:1)
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Thanks for a nice response that was helpful.  I didn't know that either!

January 4th, 2011 at 2:14 AM | No worries, everyone sounds douchey.. (Score:1)
zeda_p
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over email or the internets. I don't know why this is but it's inescapable. 

I sometimes wonder, does this law apply to older written mediums as well? Like pen pals, were they douchey to one another? If so, then why the hell did they write back – let alone pay for the stamp?

Conundrum. 

January 4th, 2011 at 12:13 AM | Thanks (Score:1)
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You always make me laugh, OMG. Thanks for that. +1 to you, kind sir.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 PM | +1 (Score:1)
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I completely agree with you. I don't think he'd be a bad hire. He's proven to be a good head football coach and recruiter.  While I obviously hope Harbaugh is option 1, I'd like Hoke to atleast get an interview.

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 PM | 47-50 (Score:1)
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47-50

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 PM | Just look at (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
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Just look at what Hoke starts with at a program and then ends wih at a program.  He takes teams from the dumps (Ball St. and SDSU) and completely turns them around.  In this instance, overall record is not something that should be looked at. Look at his record in his 2nd or 3rd year at a program and beyond, and that should give you a better understanding. 

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 4th, 2011 at 12:00 AM | I feel like I've heard that (Score:1)
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I feel like I've heard that same logic somewhere before....

Go Baby Go

January 4th, 2011 at 12:18 AM | Okay, I'll do that (Score:1)
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Hoke didn't have a winning season at Ball State until his fifth season at Ball State (4-8, 2-9, 4-7, 5-7, followed by 7-6).  Then they had a 12 win season out of the blue, he immediately bailed for SDSU and the next year they won 2 games at BSU.  Bill Lynch had been the coach prior to Hoke and he won 5, 5, and 6 games his last three years before Hoke took over (and had won the MAC a few years earlier).

To me that looks like one crazy outlier rather than a guy who steadily built an improved program.

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

January 4th, 2011 at 12:22 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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January 4th, 2011 at 2:07 AM | Ok, that's cool (Score:1)
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a plus one for your plus one gif!

January 4th, 2011 at 12:03 AM | meh..he's maybe "above (Score:1)
LatinForLiar
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meh..he's maybe "above average" though I'm not sure I'd say he's "good." Although above average might not be right, considering his win-loss record.

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 PM | Stop crushing my dreams. (Score:1)
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Hoke not an option?

Stop crushing my dreams.

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:50 PM | You don't blow up an entire (Score:1)
Magnus
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You don't blow up an entire program to bring in Brady Hoke.

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January 4th, 2011 at 12:30 AM | Ew, is that  a goo-goo doll? (Score:1)
SFBlue
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Ew, is that  a goo-goo doll?

Missing Ann Arbor

January 4th, 2011 at 12:08 AM | Agreed Magnus. Harbaugh or (Score:1)
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Agreed Magnus. Harbaugh or lets see this thing through.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:23 AM | What if the program is already "blown up"? (Score:1)
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The problem is that two-thirds of the team are so bad that  hiring Hoke-a-Dope at this point might be better than retaining RichRod.

Of course, if RR convinces Brandon that he'd accept Randy Shannon as  DC and that Shannon would have complete control over the scheme, assistants, etc, on that side of the ball, then RR could conceivably continue as HC at Michigan.

But anything short of that is a no-go.Not with the previous three years of data that we have to work with.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

January 4th, 2011 at 12:25 AM | people please stop quoting (Score:1)
natesezgoblue
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people please stop quoting Craig James whole 1/3rd analogy.

January 4th, 2011 at 1:02 AM | But it is true (Score:1)
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Are you suggesting that special teams is not one-third of the game? How many games as fans have we seen Michigan lose because of crappy special teams?

The game is split into three ways--offense, defense, and special teams. What is inaccurate about that statement?

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

January 4th, 2011 at 1:12 AM | Do Coaches Control Kicking Ability? (Score:1)
connecticutblue
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FWIW Stanford's kicker just missed two extra points. Blame Jim Harbaugh?

January 4th, 2011 at 12:30 AM | If RR stays there is little (Score:1)
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If RR stays there is little possibility that the current defensive staff stays. Some one will have to go. At least you get to keep continuity on offense, which regardless of who you bring in , will be the strength of the team. It makes more sense to me at least to try and lure in a big time DC if we miss on Harbaugh rather than change for the sake of change. I know it's been said a million times, but think ND.

January 4th, 2011 at 1:05 AM | Why would you trust him to make a good decision a third time? (Score:1)
SalvatoreQuattro
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His first two hires have been awful. SO why would you expect the third time to be any different?

The only way he can stay is if Brandon tells him that he(DB) will hire the DC and wil give the DC carte blanche to do what he pleases on the defensive side of the ball. That is the ONLY way RR can survive.

 

Only William Clay Ford would permit RR to hire another DC based off his track record.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

January 4th, 2011 at 1:36 AM | 4th time is a charm. (Score:1)
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It took Harbaugh 4 times to get his right. 4 DCs in 4 years. I want his current DC whether RR stays or not!

January 4th, 2011 at 2:08 AM | Apples/oranges (Score:1)
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One of those DC changes was necessitated by the fact that RR, ironically enough, hired away his DC (Shafer).  Shafer had shown enough promise at Stanford for RR to pull the trigger.  If he hadn't, Harbaugh presumably would have kept him.  In hindsight, Shafer should have stayed.

January 4th, 2011 at 1:03 AM | Has there been any actual (Score:1)
n33blue
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Has there been any actual talk with Shannon? As far as I can tell, it's all been message board spec. Of course, I guess that figuring out who the head coach will be takes precedence.....

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 PM | Seriously? (Score:1)
Bluestreak
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Hoke?

GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY

January 4th, 2011 at 3:40 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 PM | Harbaugh must be getting ready to come here (Score:1)
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His team has already missed 2 extra points.  He might look at our kicking game as an upgrade. /s

In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel.

January 3rd, 2011 at 11:56 PM | He'd be mentally prepared. (Score:1)
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All your extra points are belong to us.

All your field goals, not so much.

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January 3rd, 2011 at 11:54 PM | I just like (Score:1)
DrImp607
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How Hoke dreams of coming back to coach at Michigan, and yet the general consensus seems that people don't want him back.  At least Hoke never made negative comments about Michigan's standards.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:00 AM | Jeez people (Score:1)
NorthwesternFan
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Stop with this JH made a negative comment about Michigan stuff. It's not true. If you look at the entire comment, and what he said about it afterwards, it was not bbashing Michigan.  Harbaugh had hard feelings because when he played at Michigan, he wanted to be a history major. However, Michigan wouldn't let him because he was a football player.  Everything Harbaugh said was out of his love for Michigan, and was correct.  Our academic standards for our athletes are know where near Stanfords.  Stop blowing this innocent comment up and saying that Harbaugh "trashed the program" because he did no such thing.

'Cats comin' for y'all

January 4th, 2011 at 12:03 AM | Man, I wish I could read into (Score:1)
DrImp607
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Man, I wish I could read into my own words that much.  I just like the /s of the whole Hoke situation. 

January 4th, 2011 at 2:40 AM | Not what I heard (Score:1)
bjk
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in Brian's column at the time, here.

You should edit:

know where near Stanfords

This doesn't look right in the same sentence with the words "academic standards."

January 4th, 2011 at 12:00 AM | Harbaugh or RRod.   End (Score:1)
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Harbaugh or RRod.

 

End of story.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:05 AM | Incorrect. RR is not coming (Score:1)
cypress
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Incorrect. RR is not coming back. So if JH says no, you can damn well bet someone else will enter the equation, whether you like to think its end of story or not.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:10 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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I love how people state things as facts when they are just what they think will happen. This goes on way too much.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:13 AM | If we are conducting a (Score:1)
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If we are conducting a coaching search in the beginning of January. I am driving to AA to personally kick Brandon in the nuts. Deal is already done or Rich is back as our coach. No insider information, just common sense.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:21 AM | Now this is something that (Score:1)
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Now this is something that makes sense.  Everybody needs to take a deep breath and discuss things but not pretend that our opinion is the only one out there. Unless DB is on here we are all just saying what we think.  We don't KNOW what is going to happen.

January 4th, 2011 at 2:11 AM | We may have to conduct a (Score:1)
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We may have to conduct a coaching search if Harbaugh doesn't come, because RR is finished here.  I'm not even sure he wants to stick around if he can help it.  (He'd quit, but getting fired is more lucrative.)  If that happens, though, it's not the end of the world - OSU did that in January 2001 and ended up with Tressel.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:02 AM | Hoke (Score:1)
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I just don't get the animosity on this board to Hoke.  The guy is a great coach.  He knows the big ten, is a great recruiter and, more than anything else, loves Michigan.

No, he is not flashy (although his team's bowl game offense was a hell of a lot more exciting than our lack of offensive production), but his teams are fundamentally sound and he improves struggling programs quickly. 

While most of us think that HArbaugh is choice #1, if he doesn't come, I would welcome Hoke.  He would certainly be better than another year of coaching hot seats, poor tackling, lack of execution, losing to every winning B10 team and incompetent special teams and defense.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:06 AM | Seriously, by what metric is (Score:1)
LatinForLiar
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Seriously, by what metric is he a great coach? I don't see anything that distinguishes him from 50 other coaches.

January 4th, 2011 at 12:55 AM | great coach (Score:1)
michgoblue
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Where do I say "great coach?"  But, even an above average coach would do WAY better than RR has done at M.

January 4th, 2011 at 1:17 AM | Hoke (Score:1)
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Not an option.

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