Per 11W [LINK]
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
(Tribute to Haloscan. I have absolutely nothing of value to add.)
I hate that guy, but that's a funny gif.
FOR ME TO POOP ON!
Anyone know what this is about yet?
We have word that there's one more bit of bad news to drop. Luckily, it's not on the scale of Hyde or Roby's alleged transgressions.
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) July 22, 2013
Your post split a double post
Absolutely pathetic... I hope the girl is ok and I hope both Roby and Hyde get what they deserve. Embarrassing
On eleven warrors guys are all "well goodbye National Title Hopes." Hyde had like a 1000 yards last year and is good, but hardly super dominant. Or maybe they don't have any depth?
returning 1000 yard rusher man. Yeah, he is not like Emmett Smith or somebody but would it have hurt quite a bit to lose Mike Hart or Chris Perry going into their senior year. Yeah, I would say this is a pretty substantial loss.
I read elsewhere that Hyde was really the only RB to really consistently display the ability to do things for Miller, like lead block on QB running plays. The other RBs flash ability, but either don't have the full compliment of skills yet or just aren't consistent at executing.
He was a huge asset and by the end of the year last year he was playing like the best running back in the Big Ten. There is depth, though, with Rod Smith, Dunn and Ball. Smith will likely get the nod as he has shown glimpses of being a very good back but has had fumble issues. Dunn and Ball are both very young and unproven. It is also a possibility that Jordan Hall moves back to the true RB position from his hybrid role. If that happens, there would not be much of a talent drop off (if any) at the RB position but it takes a very dynamic player out of the hybrid position.
On eleven warrors guys are all "well goodbye National Title Hopes."
All is not lost. They can still win the Fullmer Cup.
That has to really suck hard for Ohio fans. Imagine that Toussant or Green and Countess were dismissed the team today. Would certainly dampen my week(month) a little bit.
Shall we dispatch you to Columbus with tissues? p.s. this is nothing like losing Green as he is a recruit that we have never seen in uniform or play a college game. He could be a superstar, bust, or average. Yes on Fitz or Blake.
observation, that is all.
UM did lose Countess and Toussaint last year
Epic avatar sir btw
How do all these kids get into so much trouble at bars? It seems like other athletes and students are fine in bars.
I remember in the ESPN 30 for 30, Broke, a psychologist said NFL players feel the need to attract attention to themselves in social settings (bars,clubs,parties) since they get so much attention on the field, yet play behind a mask. No one knows their face and it causes them to attract attention.
wrote and sang a song about it...
Do football players get in trouble at a higher rate than the general student body, though?
It's easy for us to think of examples of players getting into drunken fights, but that could easily be the fault of the availability heuristic. That SI expose about football players getting arrested was brought up around here recently, which was definitely a situation of saying "look at how much trouble these guys get into!" But the numbers actually showed that they get arrested at a lower rate than their non-athlete peers, SI just completely misunderstood their own data.
I've never seen a bar fight and I was out every weekend (graduated this spring)
Have you seen any football players get in bar fights, though?
I'm guessing you don't have the numbers as to whether it happens more frequently with football players. Just that you hear about it when it happens because they're football players.
I don't know. I'm not saying you're wrong, but without going to the data and just going off of what I see in the media in general that just doesn't ring true to me. There are a lot of sports in university where the players are well known and I can't tell you the last time I heard of a bunch of Hockey, baseball or basketball players getting arrested. They are well known and would generate a buzz I would think if they got in the same trouble we hear about with football players, and yet you never hear about those players in trouble with the law (well, probably not never, but far less frequently).
Media attention is a huge influence. For example, the UF player arrested for barking at a dog isn't news worthy. The police arresting him for that, might be.
for throwing molotov cocktails-
And I don't hink it's that rare to hear about hockey players getting into fights if you're around a campus. (Heck, it was kind of a big deal up at MSU). But you're also dealing in a numbers game. A football team has what, 5 or 6 times the number of players that a basketball team does? So you're bound to hear about it about 5 or 6 times as often.
I'm not taking data when I'm at the Blue Lep.
And unless you count a fight between Big Will and a car's hood, I have not seen one at Michigan. Michigan players were always fine when I saw them out (especially after Hoke).
On a side note, say what you want about RR, but I and other students noticed a significant difference between players' attitudes after Hoke both in and out of athletic facilities. I attribute the above paragraph to this.
My point is that you saying that you never witnessed any bar fights while you were in college doesn't mean anything about the relative rates at which football players v. non-players get in trouble while in college.
When is this about me? The stats you posted above are what I wanted.
Unfortunately I was in one at ricks back in '06. It happens.
If you were a little older, you might have been around to see Brian Griese and his run in with the scorekeepers staff and subsequently the scorekeeper's window he shattered.
Believe it or not, it does happen to our beloved wolverines too.
There's a bunch of links to take-downs of the SI piece under the second heading of this UV from when SI released their investigation: LINK
And to pull out the quote that Brian pulled out for his piece to illustrate SI's dodgy numbers work:
Of those seven percent, "nearly 60 percent…were guilty or paid some penalty". If we assume "nearly 60 percent" means 57% (shockingly, the actual numbers and survey methods aren’t given), then 4% of players on top 25 football teams have been actually convicted of, or plead guilty to, a crime.
The number of average college students with the same criminal record?According to this article from Corvallis, Oregon’s Daily Barometer, 3.45%. That’s right: Your typical college football player is one-half of one percent more likely to have a criminal conviction. To put that in perspective, a team of 85 players has half a person more convicted criminals on it than a sample of 85 students drawn randomly. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of interesting ways to look at this kind of thing. I don't have access to that kind of data off hand, but it would be interesting to delve a bit more into the numbers. My first thought was whether that ~60% conviction rate is normal or maybe are football players getting arrested then released with an unofficial slap on the wrist.
Really, the appropriate comparison group is probably more like big, physical, male 18-22 year olds - many of whom are from disadvantaged backgrounds - who don't play sports. That 7% figure probably isn't too crazy.
To be fair though, I think you have to remember that these athletes are in an almost completely different situation. I think what you're saying is true, but remembering that these individuals have a ton of potential, are receiving some tremendous benefits, and have access to a boatload of resources separate them from your average student. My shock at these situations hasn't been about the fact that a college student gets into a bar fight, but a college student that is in such a great situation does this to themselves. This isn't as much related to your point anymore, but I just truly believe even your bench guy has so much more to lose than your average student.
for "Worst State Ever" t-shirts to go on sale.
It probably should be mentioned that these were unrelated incidents. Hyde is being investigated for a battery that occured in Columbus at 2AM Saturday.
Roby was charged with disorderly conduct early Sunday morning in Bloomington, IN. Apparently he was asked to leave the bar, and refused. The bouncers got involved and the police were called.
It was battery resulting in bodily injury per the case report, not disorderly conduct.
Urban Meyer's PR team is having the worst month ever
Funny thing is that I've seen some Buckeye fans talk about these loses as minimal because they have lots of good young talent. As someone who lived through lots of "potential" young stars , I'd caution the Ohio nation of getting too worked up over a bunch of kids who ran for 6 ypc against UCF, Toledo, and UAB.
"Don't play potential." -- Bo Schembechler
Obviously a sad situation for all involved. I don't have the arrest numbers for UM vs. ohio or Hoke vs. Meyer for the past five years or so but if anyone does I'm sure it'd be very telling. Buckeye's gonna buckeye yet again.
Roby's charge is a Class A misdemeanor with up to a year in prison... He must've done some damage. I wonder how long until the civil suit.
Most times these penalities end up just being fines. The jail time's just if you don't pay, but yes, still a pretty serious charge unless it gets pled down, which may or may not happen. I would guess it depends a lot on Meyer's stance
Stay classy Ohio!!!!
Funny. I am not shocked at All!!!
Dude should've gone pro like we all told him to
Wow, I guess Will Muschamp really knew what he was talking about....
I'm guessing Muschamp was on to something when he dismissed like a 1/3 of the roster at Florida when he took over, too.
@11W: We have word that there's one more bit of bad news to drop. Luckily, it's not on the scale of Hyde or Roby's alleged transgressions.
As for the third transgression, sounds like a 2013 Freshman is suspended or something...may have to do with a drinking charge. It sounds minor.
Sounds like Von Bell was also popped for underage last week....the reports just keep flowing in.
MOAR ARRESTS!!! This feels like commitapalooza, strangely.
He'll be suspended for a game or two then be back by the Cal game.
Kids drink underage when they're in college. I'd bet that anyone on this board who says they didn't do the same when they were his age is a flat out liar.
I don't think the rate of drinking in college is 100%, but that's neither here nor there.
Despite the fact that it's not that serious of an offense, I get the impression that the guys Hoke has recruited would be smart enough not to get busted for stupid shit if their coach were taking heat for poor discipline in that very same week. Maybe leave the beer in the house.
I didn't see this in the 11W story, but per BucksInsider (HERE), Bradley Roby has indeed been indefinitely suspended pending the results of the investigation.
Tim May of the Columbus Dispatch also mentioned this as well.
I wish they would stop saying indefinitely suspended and just say suspended until we need him.
AKA until after media days and people forget about it
He didn't recruit either of these guys.
That is a minor factor, as "Urbz" is now in charge and has been long enough to hold him somewhat accountable. No coach on any team can control what his players do on their own time, but they're still held somewhat accountable.
Which would be fine IF he recruited either Hyde or Roby but he didnt. So you can't hang that on him and if he's kicking these guys off the team (and they actually stay kicked off) I'm not sure what more he can do at this point.
"but but but I put up a really big vinyl graphic that says to be nice to everyone?????? Doesnt that mean I tried?"-Meyer
Most of the time I think everyone is too quick to pile onto the HC, but in this case the amount of "transgressions" at 2 high level programs that Meyer has lead is making me believe otherwise. I would be curious to see his numbers from Utah and wherever the hell else he has coached.
but with urban being the d bag he is, I'm enjoying it. I love to play them at there best but not when an asshole whose full of himself is there.
did you start off this am with a bloody or two?
You know, I used to be all about playing them at their best and wanting to beat an undefeated Ohio team in November, but lately I find myself just wanting them to suck.
of college FB players on full scholarship at D1A schools who have been booted off their teams over the last two decades for stupid asshattery? I'd bet it's in the hundreds. I also wonder how many of them ever got a degree anywhere.
Glad to see the family values and morality that Urban Meyer is all about is finally starting to surface. Couldn't happen to a better team.
Neither situation has anything to do with his recruits.
Edit: Nice edit before I pressed save.
I caught the error just before i posted it. I guess I'm just used to his recruits always being in trouble!! Thanks for looking out..
Is the Peter griffin joke on family guy about Tyson punching robin givens.
I wouldnt be surprised if Meyer makes some kind of stipulation with Hyde that if he maintains good behavior through the rest of the summer and season, he has a chance of being reinstated. And we'll see him reinstated a week or two before The Game to warm up. Just watch.
It wouldn't shock me but I think even Meyer realizes the microscope that the Hernandez case has put him under.
This just went on sale:
I hate that son of a bitch.
recruit these guys but DAMN this stuff just follows Urban around.
Cmon Urbz be a coach/mentor/father figure not their homeboy buddy ol pal.
This one's on sale too!
4. Tattoos...just for good measure.
That is obvioulsy not nearly as serious as the first two offenses...but interesting nontheless. I really hope Brady Hoke uses this as a lesson to our kids to not be stupid. Season is right around the corner and you only get one shot at college football and more importantly life. 11Warriors site is going bizerko...and it's hilarious.
Roby will be back by the start of the conference schedule. What he dd was dumb but its really not that bad in the grand scheme.
Hyde, maybe by mid-season if he's lucky. Wouldn't shock me to see him reinstated in the week or two leading up to The Game like Posey was two years ago.
After this weekend I bet Urbz has Braxton on lock down until fall camp starts.
Apparently has apparently offered to tattoo the locker room wall on every player/playa, gratis this time.
Maybe Columbus should now be called Gainsville North
Urban Meyer and these arrests at BIG Media Day(s) will be similar to the Johnny Football buzz during SEC Media Day(s). Although I am interested what Urbz will say I still like to think Media Days are about THE ACTUAL FOOTBALL that is coming in a few weeks.
There's no reason to get our hopes up that a player disissal from ohio will hurt their team. history says Urb won't get rid of a player unless he thinks he has a better one to take his place.
What's funny (and a tad ironic) is Roby is slated to be one of three OSU players representing the football team at media day. I wonder if that'll change.
I have a hard time believing there is another player on the OSU roster who doesn't embody the OSU character - very talented but also in trouble with the law.
Urb can survive the arrests but couple that with Ls to us and he will want ''family time'' again.