Beilein's best recruit ever likes his system
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100402/SPORTS0201/4020354/1131/SPORTS0…
Da'Sean Butler seems to liked his offensive system a lot.
"Everybody has to buy in, and you have to get the right people," Butler said, referring to Beilein's offense, which requires discipline and precise shooting. "You've got to get the absolute right people for that system, because if you have even one person that doesn't understand or doesn't care to understand, a cancer on the team of some sort, then it can throw everything off, honestly. "The system works. That's the best system I've ever been part of in my life as far as just running an offense. It suited me so well. I think everybody kind of gets into, you've got to get all these five-star and whatever recruits, and for him, you just need to find the right players who can obviously make shots, but who will work hard. And if you find that right group, and not like prima donnas, it could be a very good system." Butler is such a believer in Beilein and his system he said Michigan could win even with a roster filled with newcomers. "You can go and win with eight freshmen recruits," Butler said. "(Michigan has) a great coach, and it's just a matter of everyone buying in."Also goes on to say that they use some of his defense, and he's hopeful that Beilein can turn Michigan into a consistent winner. Let's hope he doesn't consider himself not one of "these five-star and whatever recruits"...because we could use some Da'Sean Butlers. And the "one play not buying in screwing up the system" thing...interesting....
Coach B is a great guy (met him once) and an excellent coach. He's like novocaine, just give him time.
--- but I couldn't help but think that he's the guy who's not buying into the system. It might be for everyone's benefit that he's going pro. Good luck to him, and maybe now Coach has everyone on the same page...
I agree wholeheartedly. He doesn't have the outside shot to fit into the system - sure he can sink a 3 at clutch moments, but what about unclutch moments?
After Beilein left and WVU brought in Huggy Bear, Da'Sean was going to transfer to Michigan but was talked out of it last minute.
Just another in the long line of "what could have beens" for Michigan basketball.
Yeah. I read it in Rick Reilly's latest article. I hate him, but I happened to click on the article to remind myself of why I hate him and got this:
"The first time I heard he was coming," remembers West Virginia's best player, Da'Sean Butler, "I was like, 'I'm getting ready to go to Michigan.' But I'm glad I didn't leave. It's been great. I'd be doing all kind of nothing right now."He even got in a good zinger for measure. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5040010
Aw now what the fuck. Never knew this either. My god, that's frustrating to hear.
Butler, Manny, Sims, Benzing, Udoh, Darius, Cronin, and Stu and Novak coming off the bench....
Can you say Final Four?
If we had half of those guys I could definitely say Sweet 16. Damn.
We had more than half of those guys.
I thought you were referring to the odd number of guys in the list. And how half of them would leave one cut in two. And that probably wouldn't be good.
So the question now is whether or not he can recruit said players. As far as team chemistry goes hopefully someone will step up as a leader who "buys in" and the rest of the team will follow suit. I'd hate to see another team chock full of talent struggle like this years squad.
The question is whether or not he can recruit players like Butler, whom he recruited?
whether or not he can recruit players like Butler to come play at Michigan
I don't see why he shouldn't be able to.
.....but he hasn't yet. Hence why its still a question of if he will be able to.
Just admit you make no sense. You express skepticism that he can "land players like Da'Shaun Butler". HE LANDED DA'SHAUN BUTLER HIMSELF.
This is his 2nd real class (he had 3 weeks to put together the Douglass/Novak class). In other words, evaluating his recruiting, at this point, is virtually impossible.
What do we know? We know that he's signed 3 top-100 players (Morris, Smotrycz, Brundidge), and 2 more nationally ranked players (Vogrich, Hardaway) in his time here.
i'm not expressing skepticism or evaluating his recruiting. I'm only saying that if he can land recruits who buy into his system, like Butler, then everything will be fine. Not sure why you both got so defensive but you are reading too far into what I said.
You're not making sense...and you are continuing to post. Plz stop.
Do you think it's easier to recruit to West Virginia than Michigan? If not, what's your point?
I'v said all along that WVA doing well under Huggins is NOT an indictment against Beilein, but rather reflects well on him.
The Beilein holdovers taught Huggy Bear the system and he ran it and got them to the Sweet 16 in that first year. Now, Huggy is great coach....WVA replaced a great coach with a great coach....and eventually as he added his own stamp on the program, you have what you have now.....a damn strong team. This is his team, but you cant overlook the positive JB influence thats still there.
JB is slowly getting his players and he is another signee away from having the best back-to-back recruting classes for Michigan in at least 10 years. You just have to let it grow folks.
you believe the players taught Bob Huggins, who has been a head coach for >30 years and has a ~74% winning percentage how to run an offense that Beilein used to run?
I find that impossible to believe. Now, some of Huggins players were recruited and taught by JB and he deserves some credit for that, just like DS and Manny were recruited by TA.
Joe Mazzulla was responsible for helping the new guys brought in learn the 1-3-1 defense that Beilein uses after JB left for Ann Arbor. Never heard anyone teaching the JB offense though.
Not for nothing......but its a well told story, especially when the broadcast focus is on Mazzula, on the many, many, many WVA games I have seen on TV on how the players show Huggy the schemes they had been playing when he first got there. They still run a lot of that stuff, with the added bounty of talent that Huggins has brought in. I am not trying to say this isnt Huggy's team, just kill the meme that somehow his success is an indictment on Beilein.
I'm pretty sure we can dig up a quote from Huggy on how some of the stuff they run, he never would have thought to run before.
Huggins has never been known as a "system" coach or as a guy especially adept at Xs & Os or at in-game strategy. At Cincinnati, he ran and aggressive man-to-man (I'm not sure he used a zone much, if at all) and his offense was "give it to [Nick/Kenyon/yournamehere] and get out of the way." This is one reason why his teams tended to underperform in the tournament.
I have no trouble believing that he adopted the 1-3-1 because Beilein's players knew it or that he incorporated parts of Beilein's offensive system as well.
Thanks for confirming this - I haven't watched much of West Virginia this year, but in beating Kentucky (w00t!) it sure didn't look like they were running the offense Huggins ran at either U-C or Kansas State, and I know they never played a 1-3-1 at U-C...
I'm also happy to see how downright nasty a 1-3-1 can be when you've got a bunch of long-armed aggressive defenders running it (Ohio State as well as WVU)...
Next year is Beilein's first with all his players. He can coach - we saw that last year. This year was a step back as the blend wasn't quite right. Let's stay with it and watch it grow. He is building a system that will last. We are going into next year still young, but with talent that will all be bought-in.
I'm starting to get impatient. neg me all you want but smotrycz and hardaway are a little different from Ebanks, butler, jones, etc. The 1-3-1 is a great defense, but were a loooonnngggggg way away from having the length and athletes that west virginia has.
OK, I'll neg you all I want.
The main reason - Smotrycz is ranked higher than 2 out of the 3 guys you listed. And if you were looking for more in your "etc," I will save you the trouble.....Smotrycz is ranked higher than everyone on West Virginia's team except for Ebanks.
how people can be "starting to get impatient". What the hell were you feeling the last 12 years? You were ok with losing for a decade before JB got here, but now, 3 years and you've had it?
The school is trying to find out if who they've got is the solution, and every time they make a change they start the whole finding-out process all over again.
Your tagline is "We Will Be Back." Stand by the inherent determination and belief in your statement (it's so sad that that tagline now applies across the board for our teams).
Coach Belein will get us back to competitiveness yet again, and much sooner given the sad fact that the tourney might expand to include everyone.
After opening this thread, I decided to visit the Bob Huggins wiki.
Looks like someone has been busy:
Bob Huggins (born September 21, 1953 in Morgantown, West Virginia[1]) is the drunk who coaches the West Virginia Mountaineers men's basketball team, and is the most despicable human being to have ever coached a major college basketball team in the United States. Huggins previously held the head coaching positions at the University of Cincinnati (1989–2005) and Kansas State University (2006–2007). Huggins' coaching career has been marked with underachievement and early exits from the NCAA Basketball Championship tournament, due largely to his penchant for recruiting players just a shade less objectionable than he is. Huggins has been to 15 total NCAA tournaments, including 14 of the last 15 seasons, and has exited almost all of them sooner than any other coach would have. Huggins' teams have participated in the postseason 22 of 25 times. Huggins has averaged 23.6 wins per season, including 25.6 his last 15 years.