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Submitted by Enjoy Life on
Hmmmm, why do NFL players (and others sports figures) keep going to places that they NEED to carry a weapon?? That is the real question. After all, actors and actresses are more famous and more recognizable than many NFL players and they seem to lead a pretty good life without carrying guns.

Huss

December 2nd, 2008 at 11:44 AM ^

1) How do you know actors and actresses don't carry guns? Because they haven't shot themselves in the thigh lately? 2) I don't know why he'd need it, but I also understand that being a NFL superstar in a club somewhere is a bit more troublesome than an actor surrounded by the cameras at a movie premiere.

ThWard

December 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 AM ^

And I don't want to toe the line of stereotyping, but I think it's safe to say: 1.) Actors/actresses are often clustered in certain regional areas (SoCal, NYc). Athletes don't disproportionately live in 2 regions and thus are more likely to stay connected to groups/friends they knew prior to achieving fame. 2.) I have all the respect in the world for the intelligence required to be a professional athlete- but I think it's safe to say that, more often that not, becoming an actor/actress requires a "refinement" that becoming an athlete does not. Perhaps this refinement period also cuts ties with any negative elements one may have known pre-fame. Again, just theories, not justifications. Maybe Nic Cage carries a gun under his bed in the Hills, but it's clear that Sean Taylor was targeted by people connected to negative elements of his past - and in his home town area (compared to say, if he had moved to Beverly Hills, CA).

MI Expat NY

December 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 AM ^

"but it's clear that Sean Taylor was targeted by people connected to negative elements of his past" This is at best, misleading, and at worst completely false. Sean Taylor was killed in a burglary. His house was targeted because of his known wealth, and the fact that he was not thought to be there at the time. The only connection to Sean Taylor was that the four defendants knew a guy who I believe had done some work at the house. I agree that some athletes maintain connections to their past which might include "bad elements," but Sean Taylor's death had nothing to do with that scenario. In fact, it was just that assumption, made by the media immediately after the shooting, that was widely criticized.

Enjoy Life

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 PM ^

Plaxico was in NYc! Actors and actresses are some of the dumbest people in the world -- proof? -- just watch them try to complete a sentence on Late Nite TV. They are great at repeating a script. Many of them are not that bright.

ThWard

December 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 AM ^

Also, re: actors/actresses being "more famous" but not needing guns - again, note that I have no idea what entertainers pack heat and which ones don't. But the increased fame, while maybe making them more vulnerable to the truly nutso fringe crowd (think Jodie Foster's stalker), also makes them less vulnerable to the random aggressors. Considering the wall of paparazzi that barricades certain actors' homes, and follows them to every club, safe to say that it'd be hard for a random thug to go after an actor. Would require a lot of planning (i.e., the nutso fringe).

chitownblue (not verified)

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:05 PM ^

There was an article in the Tribune this morning (can't locate it now) that documented 8 or 9 NFL players that had bee the victim of gun violence in the past 5 years (4 of them, I believe, were killed - Darrent Williams and Sean Taylor come to mind).

baorao

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 PM ^

the Jags lineman (Richard Collier?), maybe Fred Lane (though that was at the hands of his wife), Chargers LB Steve Foley (at the hands of off-duty police). and to answer the original question, I don't think it has all that much to do with being famous. Some people are just more comfortable with guns around (or at least think they will be). Knuckleheads are going act like knuckleheads.

Clarence Beeks

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 PM ^

It's not really fair to paint with such a broad stroke against all people who are more comfortable with guns around (or think they will be). A lot of people apply for CCPs for a variety of reasons (e.g. my best friend because he was mugged; my wife because of where she works and what she does) and a lot of people are perfectly responsible with their firearms. The better focus would probably be on people who carry (1) without a CCP (which requires a class in most states) or (2) people who carry irresponsibly.

baorao

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:50 PM ^

I didn't mean to imply that people that are comfortable with guns are knuckleheads. What I meant to say was that some people are comfortable with guns and some people aren't. So when its a knucklehead that decides he is going to carry in public, chances are he'll do a knucklehead thing. Like shoot himself in the leg and then try to tell people it happened at Applebee's and not a night club.

lunchboxthegoat

December 2nd, 2008 at 5:45 PM ^

I subscribe to the paparazzi wall + my own belief that there are a lot more high profile athletes than high profile actors/actresses and it seems that athletes get a lot more down time (practice during the week, over reasonably early, only a few months of the year, etc) whereas actors and actresses seem to be pretty steady even if they're done with a shoot (10 weeks or so) they're like to go auditioning again or start another shooting, etc.

WolvinLA

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 PM ^

If you give a thug a bunch of money, he's still a thug. Many of these athletes are from terrible areas, and still hang out with the same crew who are living that type of lifestyle. As racist as this may sound, I assure you it's not as the same principle applies across every race. Classist, probably.

MechE

December 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 PM ^

I read an article in ESPN's magazine recently about how often NFL players are targeted for crimes. People know they have a lot of money and they know what hotels they are going to be at for away games, when they are going to be away from their homes, etc. In addition to the cases chitownblue mentioned, Ben Roethlisberger has a bodyguard because he was mugged earlier on in his career.

chitownblue (not verified)

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 PM ^

Also, the case of people "coming back to haunt them", or whatever does happen. A few years ago, Antoine Walker and Eddie Curry (both of whom were from Cabrini Green - a housing project in Chicago) were home-invaded by former acquaintances.

Enjoy Life

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 PM ^

All the data (based on actual police reports) indicates a person is more likely to be killed or seriously wounded if they are carrying a gun versus not carrying a gun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#cite_not… Research and statistics have shown that guns intensify crime situations, and increase the likelihood of a more violent or lethal outcome.[43]

Magnus

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 PM ^

I fail to understand the significance of this event. Yes, it sounds like Burress was guilty of a crime - of having a loaded handgun without the proper licensure. But really, why has this been national headline news for the past few days? He had a gun. He was klutzy. He shot himself in the leg. He was an idiot and tried to cover it up. Big deal. Prosecute him, lock him up, or just put him on a billboard that says, "You can learn a lot from a dummy." I don't really care what happens, but I can almost guarantee that if he didn't play for the New York Giants and played for the Panthers or the Titans or the Texans or some other mediocre market, it wouldn't pop up on ESPN every five minutes. I don't give a damn about the New York Giants, and neither does anyone else outside New York.

bronxblue

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 PM ^

As someone who is living in New York right now, I can assure you that most people here are pretty tired of this story already. I know the NY Post needs to sell issues, but they have plastered his face all over the paper for the past 2 days, and I don't think anyone really cares except as the butt of a joke.

2Blue4You

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:21 PM ^

So does the tribute to the Michigan State Alum catching the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl get taken down from the new MSU football building? Thugs for life, keep it up.

bronxblue

December 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 PM ^

This is totally my middle-class, white Catholic upbringing talking, but I think the reason athletes tend to carry firearms (or at least get caught with them) more than, say, actors is because there is an inherit "toughness" to athletics that doesn't permeate other entertainment and high-profile mediums. Male athletes, from the minute they step onto the field or court, are programmed to be hyper-aggressive and "dominate" their opposition. They are personified as warriors or "f'ing soldiers!" (thanks K. Winslow!), and with that comes a sense that they can not only defeat an opponent, but can do so by themselves. Plus, most male athletes are physically imposing figures (heck, Burress is 6'5" and 230 lbs+), so that just reinforces this tough-guy mentality. So now you have a physically imposing man who has been taught to fight for his livelihood, and what single article exists that will only reinforce this mindset? A gun. With a gun, they are effectively a one-man army, capable of besting most assailants physically or, if firearms are brought out, with a Glock loosely fitted into his jeans. To accept another option, such as a bodyguard, is to signal to others that you are not as "tough", that you need someone else to protect you, and for many athletes that admission is simply not an option. Compare that to celebrities from other walks of life, such as actors or singers. These men and women came to fame usually not because of their physical size or toughness (mental toughness maybe, but most casting calls do not require full-contact Buffalo drills), but by some other, more cerebral element (and I know, Paris Hilton blows a major hole in this argument). Even imposing figures such as Hugh Jackman or Arnold did not rise to fame because of their strength as much as their physique and looks, a distinction that mitigates the "tough-guy" persona for most characters. Of course, there are actors like Gandolfini (?) and Crowe who still carry this athlete-like chip on their shoulders, and we see how that ends up. Either way, for most celebrities using a bodyguard does not diminish them or their reputation like it does with athletes, but instead is merely a way to enjoy themselves in public while keeping the public at bay. All of this said, athletes who carry guns are still in the minority even amongst athletes, and stupid athletes who shoot themselves in the thigh is an even small subset of this population. I'm sure there are societal, racial, etc. elements that also play a role in gun usage, but I think that most athletes view gun ownership as another embodiment of the "toughness" that has been a hallmark of their lives and success. To expect them to act any differently would feel like a betrayal.

CPS

December 2nd, 2008 at 2:35 PM ^

Actors arrested for having a concealed weapon: Dennis Farina – 2008 Jerry Lewis – 2008 Robert Downey Jr. – 1996 Queen Latifah – 1996 Martin Lawrence – 1996 Christian Slater – 1994 Harry Connick, Jr. – 1993 Wesley Snipes - 1993 Kiefer Sutherland – 1988 Others reported to have previously held (or currently hold) a concealed weapons permits: Ben Affleck Sylvester Stallone The wikipedia article Beeks links to also lists these actors as having been issued concealed weapons permits: Sean Penn Robert DeNiro Don Imus Howard Stern Donald Trump Harvey Keitel Joan Rivers Bill Cosby The numbers may or may not compare to the number of pro athletes carrying guns, but there's a number of actors that carry or potentially carry a weapon. And that doesn't count the number that have been involved in gun violence in one manner or another (e.g., Todd Bridges).

CPS

December 2nd, 2008 at 3:15 PM ^

I limited the list to actors/actresses, since that's what the OP referred to as an alternative to pro players. Queen Latifah could arguably be considered a non-actor, because I don't think she had done any acting at the time of her arrest. Incidently, Sean Penn should be included in the second list; not the third.

Brodie

December 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 PM ^

I could go up to Daunte Culpepper in Detroit and shoot him if I wanted to. The odds of me being able to do the same to Lindsay Lohan are so low that the comparison is completely invalid.