All time um men's bball players

Submitted by Blue Crab on
At halftime of the UM-NW game, BTN reported that a poll of fans for the all-time UM men's bball team consisted of: Cazzie, Glen, Trey, Jalen & Chris. R U f'ing kidding me??? I totally agree with the 1st two, but I would replace the rest with Rudy T, Gary Grant & Ricky Green ... opinions?.

MI fan in MT

February 24th, 2016 at 8:57 PM ^

anyone would disregard those players. However, disregarding the younger players is also pretty silly. Trey won the Naismith. Discounting him doesn't make much sense. Chris Webber is tough to argue against, as well. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but your reaction is a bit over the top.

UM Fan from Sydney

February 24th, 2016 at 9:00 PM ^

Different times, man. Do you really think chubby Babe Ruth would do well these days? I doubt it. I don't think he would suck, but he would not be nearly as good. Same goes for players in other sports who played decades ago.

Zoltanrules

February 24th, 2016 at 10:00 PM ^

Ruth was a record setting pitcher, hit as many home runs as most entire teams, and hit home runs in some parks that have dimensions that are bigger than today. His called shot was estimated at 500 feet and he wasn't on steroids. Baseball has more nerd analysts than any other sport and Ruth is gereally regarded as the greatest player ever.

Tater

February 25th, 2016 at 2:24 AM ^

Great.  Now imagine what Babe could have done with modern training techniques, modern coaching and a decent nutritional program.  Imagine what the 50's and 60's Yankees could have done if they didn't go out and get hammered every night.   You can only compare players and teams relative to their own eras.  

superstringer

February 24th, 2016 at 8:15 PM ^

I was a freshman when Grant was so needless to say he is a fave of mine. But Trey was the much more impactful player. Gary could play D and dish, but Trey would be on team ahead of him. Rice was the better player than Grant on that team. Just ask Sarah Palin.



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MichiganTeacher

February 24th, 2016 at 8:21 PM ^

Leaving Webber off the list would be ludicrous. He was amazing and is either 1 or 2 along with Cazzie. 

Rickey ahead of Trey I agree, although Trey's pro career obviously isn't done yet. Rickey and Jalen - to me they are about the same level (which is outragesouly good).

 

rice4114

February 24th, 2016 at 8:31 PM ^

If there is a Charles Woodson version of a mbb it would be Glen Rice. 30 per on his way to a championship. Give me Trey, Cwebb, Cazzie, and Ricky Green? Last spot is open for discussion.



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MinWhisky

February 25th, 2016 at 9:13 AM ^

Can't believe people here don't put Rudy T on the same level as Cazzie and Rice.  Rudy T still holds all of the UofM rebounding records.  Two-time All American.  2nd pick in the NBA draft.

Bill Buntin & Phil Hubbard deserve the same recognition.

Here are the 5 jerseys UofM has retired:

  • 22 Buntin
  • 33 Russell
  • 35 Hubbard
  • 41 Rice
  • 45 Tomjanovich

ChalmersE

February 25th, 2016 at 10:20 AM ^

We'd really be singing Rudy's praises if Johnny Orr had been able to recruit anyone to support him. Heck, Michigan used Bird Carter, all 6-1 of him, at pivot in order to let Rudy play his natural position of forward.

BTW, not to diminish Rudy's stature, but I've always questioned how rebounding stats were compiled back in the day. I covered the game for the Daily in which he broke Buntin's record, and decided to count every time Rudy touched the ball after a missed shot. I had fewer touches than the number of rebounds with which he was credited.

StephenRKass

February 24th, 2016 at 9:13 PM ^

You lost me with writing, "R U f'ing kidding me???"

When you write something like that, you're impugning the judgment of all who took part in the poll. These polls are all completely subjective, and will always be a source of contention.

I started at Michigan in the mid-70's. I certainly remember Ricky Green. I played ball at the CCRB with Rice, actually guarding him. I lived next to Tarpley and Wade and Rellford, and actually had some of their Michigan basketball shoes. The problem, as you well know, is that it is literally impossible to compare. You have different coaches, different surrounding players, different eras.

I'll go with Cazzie, Rice, and Webber to begin. For me, Green and Trey are a tossup. Same with Rudy and Jalen (who played different positions). You may hate Webber, and his attitude, and what he did to Michigan, but the talent he had was mind-boggling, to me at least.

I get that you value different players. But I hate your attitude towards those who you disagree with.

San Diego Mick

February 24th, 2016 at 9:30 PM ^

to me he was the best C we ever had, he would be in my starting 5 somehow.

Rice SF

Cazzie SG

WebberPF

Tarpley C

Jalen PG

Burke, Howard, Hubbard, Green, Campy Russell would be a nice bench

Roy G. Biv

February 24th, 2016 at 10:04 PM ^

For Rose and Burke, those of us a bit older could argue for Gary Grant and Rumeal Robinson.  But it's a hard argument.  Also, in terms of just basketball, was Chris Webber really better than Roy Tarpley?  I think this is a fun conversation.

bacon1431

February 24th, 2016 at 10:06 PM ^

Depends on what your criteria is. If it's guys that have contributed the most to Michigan basketball, then your list will look different than a most talented list. If we're going with most talented, Chris Webber is undoubtedly one of the first 2-3 names you put down. If it's contribution, his spot could be up for grabs with Bill Buntin, Phil Hubbard and Rudy T.



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Zoltanrules

February 24th, 2016 at 10:12 PM ^

At center Cwebb was the most spactacularly talented, Bill Buntin may have been the best all around player, Rudy T the best shooter, and Phil Hubbard I feel would have been the best if he had stayed healthy. Tarpley may have been best had he stayed clean.

I've had this bar room discussion with people smarter than me and Bill Bunton seems to be the consensus. He was All American in two of his three years and always averaged over 20 points and double digit rebounds.