4* F Terrance Williams visiting for UMass-Lowell game
Terrance Williams, the 4-star 2020 forward who recently decommitted from Georgetown, will be visiting on the 28th for the UMass-Lowell game. He's Hunter Dickinson's AAU teammate.
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1208577130486874112?s=21
Four-star forward Terrance Williams has scheduled an official visit to Michigan for Dec. 28, he tells
247 Profile: https://247sports.com/Player/Terrance-Williams-46039567/
December 22nd, 2019 at 7:37 AM ^
After reading his scouting reports this guy just screams Isaiah Livers 2.0 and I am here for that
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:36 AM ^
Eh not quite imo. He reminds me more of Grant Williams at Tennessee. A guy who isn’t super athletic but can bang down low for his size, has pretty good fundamentals, decent passer, and can shoot a bit too.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:57 AM ^
So, Isaiah Livers?
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
Huh? Nothing I said is anything like Livers... Livers is good but not great athlete, solid defender, excellent shooter, but strays away from contact and doesn’t like to drive to the rim. Besides them being similarish heights and both being light skinned black dudes, they’re not similar players imo
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^
I guess what I'm trying to say is I see very similar body types and skill sets. No, Livers does not bang down low but he did in high school like Williams is now. Basically the similarity I see is in size, athletiscism, defensive flexibility and decent shooting. Reminds me of Livers in high school and I think projects to something very similar with perhaps a greater willingness to go down low.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:10 AM ^
Do you even watch our games? Livers is not a low post banger.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:31 PM ^
Listen kid, I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night. Tell your old man to run with Walton and Lanier for 48 minutes
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:45 PM ^
Roger, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:05 AM ^
If Todd actually signs, the front court minutes will be in short supply for Williams. Hope he'd be content with this.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:13 AM ^
I think there is more and more chatter that Livers might be considering the move to the association next year.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:29 AM ^
Really? I don’t see Livers being NBA ready at all.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:23 AM ^
What exactly is an extra year of college going to do for him? His two skills are shooting and defense/defensive versatility. He’s not getting any bigger and he’s shooting from 50% from three. He’s never going to be a guy who creates his own shot in the nba. If the guys gets a draft grade he should absolutely go
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:06 AM ^
"Never going to create his own shot."
If anything, I think another year of college will absolutely help him work on that. That is 100 percent a skill that can be developed.
Sure, he can't change his height, but he can sure master some other things.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:31 AM ^
Livers is way more NBA ready at this point than Poole looked in the Tournament last spring.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
There are few things on the internet more despicable than college sports fans who write about why one of the players on their favorite team isn't ready for the pros and play it off like they have the player's interests in mind instead of their own. This board has more than its share of this sad breed.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:07 PM ^
Guys, guys, guys.
Scientific fact: Isaiah Livers is too short for the NBA. One more year in college, drinking whole milk and working on his pad level and he'll be a first round pick.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Well, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to believe that Devin Bush should have come back another year because he was too short to get drafted in the top five.
December 23rd, 2019 at 5:33 AM ^
Strange that nobody talks about Jordan Poole around here anymore, in the midst of one of the worst nba seasons of all-time. The board experts were whoopin it up when he was scoring in the summer league claiming how ready he was and that GS stole him at the end of the first round.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^
He’s never going to be an NBA-level shot creator. Sure, he could maybe get to an average level for high-major NCAA basketball, but even then he’d be a bellow-average-to-poor shot creator on virtually any NBA team, so no team will ever ask him to do that, because they’ll always have several better options for players who can do that.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:13 PM ^
How do you know this? How do you know he cannot become an NBA-level shot creator?
I have seen first-hand guys make massive jumps in their development and skill set within a year. After his freshman year, I never, ever though Stauskas would be able to make his own shots. His sophomore year, he could do whatever the hell he wanted.
December 22nd, 2019 at 5:15 PM ^
So your example is a guy who couldn't create his own shots in the NBA. Even if Livers gets to Stauskas level next year in college it won't mean anything for his draft prospects. That will never be why he gets drafted. It will be for shooting and defense.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:38 AM ^
Livers is a prototypical NBA 3 and D guy and I’m not sure how people don’t see it. He’s a solid defender who can guard the 3 or 4, is pretty athletic, and is shooting 50% from 3 on a good amount of attempts per game. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if he was late first or early second rounder
December 22nd, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^
Poole and Ziggy weren't NBA ready either. Didn't stop them from leaving.
December 22nd, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^
They both got drafted, so apparently someone that matters believes they were NBA ready.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:17 AM ^
Chatter where?
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:16 AM ^
I like Livers. But do you really think he is ready for the next level?
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:15 PM ^
Let me guess what you would have said about D. Robinson.
Livers is not flashy but he is a very sound, versatile basketball player who is more athletic than many give him credit for-and he can shoot the rock. Isaiah is a "team-glue" type player.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:12 AM ^
I have to think Williams is an insurance policy for Todd and he might get slow-played as such. There would be a big logjam at forward with them both in the class.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^
Absolutely not.
He's way too good to be slow played. You don't recruit everyone for what they will do as freshmen. There are 13 scholarships. I don't see a logjam anywhere.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:42 AM ^
Livers, Johns, Todd, Williams. All primarily power forwards. That'd be a logjam.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^
Williams and livers can also play the 3, Todd and Johns can also play the 5. Plus, after next year Livers and Todd will be gone (if Livers doesn’t bolt for the pros and Todd actually makes it to Ann Arbor). Williams is not a guy you slow play, he’s a guy you take.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:22 PM ^
Excellent-this is what I came to say. All four are versatile, multi-skilled players representing three different classes-and Todd will be a one-and-done...he is talent Michigan has actually never seen-not even C. Webb. Williams talents come into play when Todd leaves...if he ever comes.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^
I think you can play Todd and Williams together, but Todd at the 5? He’s kind of slight to do that based on his listed weight.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:29 AM ^
Absolutely not an intentional double post.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:16 AM ^
We may be reliving something close to the Fab 5 recruiting experience.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:20 AM ^
I’ll wait until Todd signs on the dotted line before I say that. He seems to be still a little up in the air about either playing here or overseas.
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
Where are you seeing this? Based on my very cursory research this seems like a fan theory based only on the simple fear that we can't have nice things.
December 22nd, 2019 at 10:00 AM ^
The fact that he didn't sign early even though he could have, and still went overseas is what has me puzzled and the commitment a bit shakey. But who knows?
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:16 AM ^
Uhh, based on rumors of his interest in playing in Europe for a year before he even committed here? And the lack of LOI that suggests he might not even be 100% sold on Michigan as his college choice if he sticks in the states? Those are a little more substantial than the pathetic "we can't have nice things" meme on this board.
December 22nd, 2019 at 11:34 AM ^
Because he actually came out and said so recently.
https://mgoblog.com/content/hoops-recruiting-has-intel-dc
December 22nd, 2019 at 9:28 AM ^
If they land Christopher and he landed Burnett,then you could say that, and it'd still be a stretch. the Fab Five was landing four top ten players and Jackson....and here is a tidbit most don't know. Big Dog Glenn Robinson said had he known he'd have joined them.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Wow. I didn't know the bit about the Glenn Robinson.
He was such an awesome player...
If Robinson had joined the Fab 5 (the following season), we would've steamrolled everyone in 93 and probably repeated in 94 even without CWebb.
But I have to ask: had he known what? He was in the class after the Fab 5. If he had seen the Fab 5 do its thing in 92, why didn't switch to Michigan?
December 22nd, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^
Robinson was in the 91 class. He had to redshirt as a freshman due to academics.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:42 AM ^
Glue guy. Fantastic rapport with Dickinson. Do very much want. Think there's a very good chance that he comes, too.
December 22nd, 2019 at 8:55 AM ^
I couldn't get the 247 videos to play, I found this on YouTube. ESPN called him a neophyte, is he new to organized basketball? I can see the Livers comparison, but I think he's a little shorter than him, maybe?
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:20 PM ^
Mmmm. I'm sure JH knows what he is doing but Williams screams as a slow, undersized PF who lacks speed and athleticism, will not get his shot off when defended. Seems to have underwhelming vertical, has many finger-roll finishes or just barely dunks. Take a good look at the above video.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
Not an explosive athlete but youre seeing him be successful despite those limitations at the Nike EYBL. That is basically D1 basketball. He will likely be a good college player for 4 years.
December 22nd, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^
Ahh, don't be fooled here. That he is not flashy does not mean he is not very, very good. There is an athletic conference in Northern Indiana-where I watched Scott Skiles, Shawn Kemp and Rick Fox grow up. This kid is Fox. So, so fundamentally sound and smart-built and plays like him in every way. Fox was outstanding in HS but his play was very much like that of Williams...always rebounding, always playing defense, always making shots, just always making plays-I guess it's the other way around...Williams is like Fox.
December 22nd, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^
kenny goins is what my first glance says
tough, smart, can shoot the rock, and actually put it on the deck. would love if this kid's "limitations" made him 3-4 year player at michigan.