3 MSU football players and a staff member suspended in sexual assualt investigation

Submitted by Bambi on

Link: http://cabs.msu.edu/news/key-issues/issue-docs/football-investigation.h…

No names of players announced yet. Please keep it civil. Thoughts with the victim/victims.

[Ed-Ace: Locked the thread. The OP is fine. The sexual assault allegations are not a joking matter, however, and much of what was in the comments crossed that line. That is not rivalry trolling material. This thread also somehow descended into a political thing.]

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JohnCorbin

February 10th, 2017 at 8:07 AM ^

Before this election I only voted for black men to be president, first time in 2008. Hillary lost because all the racists came out strong in this election, and not the last two, where a black man was elected.... I hope you don't believe everything you just spewed up. Hillary didn't lose because of sexist/racist/homophobes, nor Russian hackers. She lost because of Vince Foster. She lost because of her dishonesty. She lost because of Seth Rich. She lost because in her 30 years in politics, she hasn't left a substantial, or even minor footprint. Doesn't like the sexual/Genders based rights? If you're someone who believes in things like the wage gap, with Obama's 77 cents on the dollar BS, you're too stupid to save. In 147/150 of the largest cities in America, women were found to be paid more than men by about 8% working same hours at the same job. If you're someone who preaches that we live in a rape culture, move to Saudi Arabia. Just the accusation of rape in this country fucks someone's life up irreparably. Doesn't value the KNOWLEDGE of a broad based liberal arts degree? You're right there. I don't care about whatever you learned in your sociology or womens studies classes, I could make the argument it's a detriment to society. People thinking in terms of group, or social justice, are inherently evil. I, too, would not like the ban hammer.

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JohnCorbin

February 10th, 2017 at 9:16 AM ^

I responded from mobile to combat somebody way down the list, that said they wanted people to upvote or downvote their comment (regarding racist/sexist/homophobic Trump voters) to know how many people read their comment.

Dangit.

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JohnCorbin

February 10th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^

My apologies.

However, what this should bring to everyone's attention, is how did this comment get the top spot after it was a reply to a comment below?  Seems like an issue with the mobile app, which I have uncovered with this act of this reply, and not the content.

 

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bsand2053

February 9th, 2017 at 7:04 PM ^

Far too early to make that comparison unless you know details that aren't in OP's link (not saying you don't).  What made Baylor especially awful was the coverups and "anything goes" culture Briles and McCaw promoted.  For all we know MSU may be playing this by the book.  I'll grant that having a suspended staff memeber doesn't look good but it's too early to make such a huge judgement. 

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

February 9th, 2017 at 6:21 PM ^

I gotta be honest: I feel like there's a certain level of....something.....disingenuousness is the wrong word, hypocrisy is a very wrong word.....but some level of wrongness, to say that sexual assault-slash-rape is a horrifying, evil crime such that we should keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers....and at the same time casually throw out rumors about who might have done it.  The worse the crime, the less casual we should be about "bouncing around" names.

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evenyoubrutus

February 9th, 2017 at 7:35 PM ^

I made a very similar comment in a thread about an alleged rapist a few months ago, and my comment was deleted. That was just dripping with irony. In fact, my comment was even more innocuous. Something like "let's just remember the individual is innocent until proven guilty." And bam it was gone.

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yossarians tree

February 10th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^

Release the names when there are charges brought or action taken by the university. Otherwise stop rumor mongering about who they are and/or what they did. "Innocent until Proven Guilty" is based on a very sage principle that should remain a bedrock in this society. How many hackneyed public witch hunts have we witnessed in the last ten years alone that have proven wildlessly off-base with innocent people left with their reputations destroyed?

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schreibee

February 9th, 2017 at 7:05 PM ^

I think you'll have to settle for names not released until charged (in a perfect world). No one gets the presumption of an anonymous trial, name only made public if convicted.

Also, I'm not sure what degree of loss of privacy rights you encounter when you're suspended from a state school for an alleged assault. Or cover-up. But I bet there're some Mgolawyers here who do....

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

February 9th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^

I'm gonna go with "charged" myself, since there are very excellent reasons why we don't have anonymous trials.  Public and anonymous are just about mutually exclusive, I would think.  Going back to the Duke case, it was really awful that the prosecutor and "victim" dragged innocent names through the mud, but even worse is the idea that a secret trial in all likelihood would've produced a conviction.  Which is why we have the right to public ones.

I'm still against speculating on names until the investigations are advanced enough to warrant releasing them.

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stephenrjking

February 9th, 2017 at 6:40 PM ^

The guys haven't even been charged. Someone getting falsely tied to something like this, especially in such a public business, is stained for life. Let's say, hypothetically, that something happened in off-campus housing and Corley was playing video games in the other room, but because he was in the house he was "linked" to the event. Because investigation is ongoing and schools need to be proactive, they suspend him in the offseason. Investigation later reveals that he did not know what was going on and is not involved; he rejoins the team for spring practice, plays another two years, goes to the NFL.

Is there any doubt at all that, now that his name is leaked, Michigan fans will talk about him as a sex offender for the rest of his football careeer? I know for a fact it will come up on this board.

Now perhaps he is totally guilty and that comes out. Perhaps they all are. Or perhaps Vance isn't, or King isn't, and the other two are. Who knows?

But their names are being reported and tied to a repellant crime in a situation where there has been no public due process and no information at all.

If charges are filed, that information is public, and they get their day in court. If they are guilty, that will come out in due time. 

But I totally understand people being uncomfortable with this. 

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LabattBlue

February 9th, 2017 at 8:04 PM ^

Corley, Vance,and King all reside on campus dorms still.(underclassmen) part of release mentions removed from on campus housing. Likely to be alledged to have occured on campus since MSU police mentioned as investigating dept. Looks like MSU is taking the right approach. Alot of folks enjoying a tragic situation here.

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