Michigan's record in bowl games

Submitted by Don on December 28th, 2023 at 7:18 PM

Most college football fans would agree that over the past half-century Michigan has frequently been an important player in the national conversation during the regular season, but our performance in bowl games in that time span has not matched perceptions of our national stature.

First, here's Michigan's record in bowl games prior to Schembechler's arrival in A2. The team records in parentheses are going into the bowl games, not the total season record for Michigan and our opponents after the season is completed.

1-1-1901 Rose Bowl  Michigan (10-0) vs Stanford (3-2-1)  M 49 Stanford 0

1-1-1948 Rose Bowl  #2 Michigan (9-0) vs #8 USC (7-1-1)  M 49  USC 0

1-1-1951 Rose Bowl #9 Michigan (5-3-1) vs #5 California (9-0-1)  M 14 Cal 6

1-1-1965 Rose Bowl #4 Michigan (8-1) vs #8 Oregon St (8-2)  M 34 OSU 7

It's just a handful of bowl games compared to many other schools, but you can't top being 4-0 in them. Unfortunately, things go rapidly downhill after that.

(Note: the parentheticals in italics after 7 bowl games indicate either Michigan or our opponent claimed at least part of the national championship that season.)

1-1-70  Rose Bowl #7 Michigan (8-2) vs #5 USC (9-0-1)  USC 10 M 3

1-1-72  Rose Bowl #4 Michigan (11-0) vs #16 Stanford (8-3)  Stanford 13 M 12

1-1-76  Orange Bowl #5 Michigan (8-2-1) vs #3 Oklahoma (10-1)  OK 14 M 6 (OK NC)

1-1-77  Rose Bowl #2 Michigan (10-1) vs #3 USC (10-1)  USC 14 M 6 (USC NC)

1-1-78  Rose Bowl #4 Michigan (10-1) vs #13 Washington (7-4)  UW 27 M 20

1-1-79  Rose Bowl #5 Michigan (10-1) vs #3 USC (11-1)  USC 17 M 10 (USC NC)

12-28-79 Gator Bowl #14 Michigan (8-3) vs unranked UNC (7-3-1)  UNC 17 M 15

1-1-81  Rose Bowl #5 Michigan (9-2) vs #16 Washington (9-2)  M 23 UW 6

12-31-81  Astro-Bluebonnet Bowl #16 Michigan (8-3) vs #19 UCLA (7-3-1)  M 33 UCLA 14

1-1-83  Rose Bowl #19 Michigan (8-3) vs #5 UCLA (9-1-1)  UCLA 24 M 14

1-2-84 Sugar Bowl #8 Michigan (9-2) vs #3 Auburn (10-1)  Auburn 9 M 7

12-21-84  Holiday Bowl unranked Michigan (6-5) vs #1 BYU (12-0)  BYU 24 M 17 (BYU NC)

1-1-86  Fiesta Bowl #5 Michigan (9-1-1) vs #7 Nebraska (9-2)  M 27 Neb 23

1-1-87 Rose Bowl #4 Michigan (11-1) vs #7 Arizona St (9-1-1)  ASU 22 M 15

1-2-88  Hall of Fame Bowl unranked Michigan (7-4) vs unranked Alabama (7-4)  M 28 AL 24

1-1-89 Rose Bowl #11 Michigan (8-2-1) vs #5 USC (10-1)  M 22 USC 14

1-1-90 Rose Bowl  #3 Michigan (10-1) vs #12 USC (9-1-1)  USC 17 M 10

1-1-91  Gator Bowl #12 Michigan (8-3) vs #15 Ole Miss (9-2) M 35 Ole Miss 3

1-1-92  Rose Bowl #4 Michigan (10-1) vs #2 Washington (11-0)  UW 34 M 14 (UW NC)

1-1-93  Rose Bowl #7 Michigan (8-0-3) vs #9 Washington (9-2)  M 38 UW 31

1-1-94  Hall of Fame Bowl #23 Michigan (7-4) vs unranked NC St (7-4)  M 42 NCSt 7

12-30-94  Holiday Bowl #20 Michigan (7-4) vs #10 Colo St (10-1)  M 24 CSU 14

12-28-95  Alamo Bowl #14 Michigan (9-3) vs #19 TA&M (8-3)  TAMU 22 M 20

1-1-97  Outback Bowl #15 Michigan (8-3) vs #16 Alabama (9-3)  AL 17 M 14

1-1-98  Rose Bowl  #1 Michigan (11-0) vs #8 Washington St (10-1)  M 21 WSU 16 (M NC)

1-1-99  Citrus Bowl #15 Michigan (9-3) vs #11 Arkansas (9-2)  M 45 AR 31

1-1-00  Orange Bowl #8 Michigan (9-2) vs #5 Alabama (10-2)  M 35 AL 34

1-1-01  Citrus Bowl #20 Michigan (8-3) vs #17 Auburn (9-3)  M 31 AU 28

1-1-02  Citrus Bowl  #17 Michigan (8-3) vs #8 Tennessee (10-2)  TN 45 M 17

1-1-03  Outback Bowl  #13 Michigan (9-3) vs #23 Florida (8-4)  M 38 FL 30

1-1-04  Rose Bowl  #4 Michigan (10-2) vs #1 USC (11-1)  USC 28 M 14 (USC NC)

1-1-05  Rose Bowl #13 Michigan (9-2) vs #6 Texas (10-1)  TX 38 M 37

12-28-05 Alamo Bowl  #20 Michigan (7-4) vs unranked Nebraska (7-4)  NEB 32 M 28

1-1-07  Rose Bowl  #3 Michigan (11-1) vs #8 USC (10-2)  USC 32 M 18

1-1-08  Citrus Bowl unranked Michigan (8-4) vs #9 Florida (9-3)  M 41 FL 35

1-1-11 Gator Bowl  unranked Michigan (7-5) vs #21 Mississippi St (8-3)  MSU 52 M 14

1-3-12  Sugar Bowl #13 Michigan (10-2) vs #11 VaTech (11-2)  M 23 VT 20

1-1-13  Outback Bowl  #19 Michigan (8-4) vs #11 South Carolina (10-2)  SC 33 M 28

12-28-13  Wild Wings Bowl  unranked Michigan (7-5) vs unranked Kansas St  KSU 31 M 14

1-1-16  Citrus Bowl  #14 Michigan (9-3) vs #19 Florida (10-3)  M 41 FL 7

12-30-16  Orange Bowl  #6 Michigan (10-2) vs #11 Fla St (9-3)  FSU 33 M 32

1-1-18  Outback Bowl unranked Michigan (8-4) vs unranked South Carolina (8-4)  SC 26 M 19

12-29-18  Peach Bowl  #7 Michigan (10-2) vs #10 Florida (9-3)  FL 41 M 15

1-1-20  Citrus Bowl  #14 Michigan (9-3) vs #13 Alabama (10-2)  AL 35 M 16

12-32-21 Orange Bowl  #2 Michigan (12-1) vs #3 Georgia (12-1)  GA 34 M 11

12-31-22 Fiesta Bowl  #2 Michigan 13-0) vs #3 TCU (12-1)  TCU 51 M 45

 

Record since 1-1-70: 17-29

 

Michigan's record against teams ranked 1-5 going into the bowl game: 2-11 (both victories against teams ranked #5; 6 of those losses are to eventual national champions.)

Record against teams ranked 6-10: 5-5

Record against teams ranked 11-15: 3-5

Record against teams ranked 16-20: 4-3

Record against teams ranked 21-unranked: 3-5

 

Michigan's record when ranked 1-5 going into the bowl game: 3-12

Record when Michigan is ranked 6-10: 2-4

Record when Michigan is ranked 11-15: 6-5

Record when Michigan is ranked 16-20: 3-3

Record when Michigan is ranked 21-unranked: 3-5

Our lousy bowl record since 1-1-70 is largely a function of how bad we've been against teams ranked in the top 5 going into the bowl game. Maybe that's expected, but the results certainly don't match Michigan's national reputation.

What's also notable is how bad we've done in bowl games when Michigan is ranked in the top 5 going into the game. You'd think a program good enough to be ranked in the top five going into 15 bowl games would be good enough to win more than three of them.

Another notable aspect of this is that we haven't beaten anybody who had a serious chance of being national champion with a victory over Michigan in the bowl game, nor have we pulled off a truly momentous upset. The closest we've come to the latter is the 2008 Citrus Bowl when an unranked Michigan beat #9 Florida.

Whether this record has any relevance to the upcoming game against Alabama is a different question. Given that it's been established over 6 different coaching staffs, five of whom shared some significant Michigan coaching DNA, I'm not convinced that there aren't some long-standing institutional or program attributes at work that help to explain the record.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

rc90

December 29th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

For those not old enough, Bo basically was regarded at the end of the 1984 season the way Harbaugh was regarded at the end of the COVID year. If you're end into this kind of thing, three years later Bo did beat Alabama in a bowl game. Well, sorta, there may have been a hamburger problem that kept him physically off the sideline that day.

tybert

January 1st, 2024 at 12:10 AM ^

I was a JR in fall 84 when Bo went 6-6 and lost to NC BYU.

The next year everything changed as we finished 10-1-1 and #2 with a win over top 10 Nebraska.

Bo was 5-12 in bowls, but finished 3-2. His problem in the 70s was thinking what offense and defense needed to beat Ohio would work vs. USC. It wasn't until we had that great 1980 team (started 1-2) that ran off 9 wins with a great D, talented RBs and Wangler to Carter that Bo finally realized you needed a faster D and better passing to beat the PAC10 (back then). 

Eng1980

December 28th, 2023 at 8:40 PM ^

As a Michigan homer, I see a team playing better teams, healthier teams, and teams playing at home.  I see Lawrence Taylor taking John Wangler out of the game which Michigan had all but won.  I see a phantom touchdown, a punt fielded with a knee on the ground, and a game where the announcers were openly appalled at the officiating.  I see an o-line playing with their 7th and 9th best offensive linemen on a two-day notice.  I see Don Rogers separating Steve Smith's shoulder.  Steve Everitt, All-American cannot play to counter Steve Emtman, All-American.  I see Michigan short multiple defensive backs due to injury and cannot stop the passing attack in multiple games (common problem for many teams.)  I remember a game where every time the official reached for the flag in their back pocket, they somehow never pulled the flag out of their back pocket.

The other teams played well and deserve the accolades.  Some had injuries too. Heisman runner-up, Ricky Bell was knocked out of the Rose Bowl with a concussion but was replaced by a (Heisman winner) freshman named Charles White (122 yds, 1 TD).  (I had the honor of seeing that one in person.)

The poor record is more bad luck than institutional.  If Michigan wins 6 of those games, they are .500 which you might expect in a series of even matchups.

Buy Bushwood

December 29th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^

Steve Everitt or not, we were not beating that UW team. And you forgot that if Shazor's hand is about 4 inches to the left on Texas' winning FG, we beat Vince Young, because Shazor had the elevation, easily.  

Also, Homerism is essentially just another word for confirmation bias.  Because there have been some bowls we've lucked out in.  Hoke's V. Tech victory was a keystone cops folly of luck and bad officiating to favor us.  Bama missed an XP in OT (of course they had shaky kicking).  

Eng1980

December 29th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^

You are absolutely correct (frequently).  Shazor’s miss may be the biggest case of bad luck.  Michigan replaced Everitt with a sophomore.  I won’t argue that Michigan would have won with him but they couldn’t get a first down without him.  I think Michigan only lost 1 game in two years when Everitt was healthy.

M-Dog

December 29th, 2023 at 3:25 AM ^

I have seen every one of these games starting with the '76 Orange Bowl against Oklahoma. 

The fundamental underlying reason for Michigan's bowl failures is this: We regularly beat up on an overmatched Big Ten, which makes us over-confident in our approach and our abilities heading into the bowl game. 

When we meet teams with better talent - which happens often because we tend to be overrated by beating up on the Big Ten - we don't have any kind of game plan in place that can give us an edge.  We just think we can do what we did all season that worked great in the Big Ten.  When it doesn't, we are caught flatfooted with no well-rep'd Plan B ready to go.

The most disappointing thing is that there have been very few cases where our talent level was so far behind that we couldn't have made adjustments necessary to win.  In 29 bowl losses, only 8 were by more than 10 points.  So basically, we were in a position where we could have realistically won about three quarters of those 29 bowl losses. 

If I had time, I could go through each and every one of those games and point out where that could have happened.  But here are two that are illustrative:

1-1-07  Rose Bowl  #3 Michigan (11-1) vs #8 USC (10-2)  USC 32 M 18   

Both teams came in wanting to run the ball.  Neither could.  The score was 3 - 3 at the half.  USC adjusted in the third quarter and went to the pass.  Michigan didn't and kept trying to run.  Game over.  USC exploded for two touchdowns and a field goal in the third quarter while Michigan kept beating its head against the wall . . . and punting. 

Michigan finally adjusted in the 4th quarter and successfully went to the air themselves.  Michigan finished the game with nearly identical passing stats as USC (M: 26 - 41 for 353 yards, USC 27 - 45 for 399 yards).  But the adjustment, which could have been done all along, came too late to catch up.

1-1-08  Citrus Bowl unranked Michigan (8-4) vs #9 Florida (9-3)  M 41 FL 35

Here is an example - one of very few - that went in the other direction.  Michigan came limping into this game after a disastrous season that included getting pantsed by the zone read spread against Armanti Edwards led App State and Dennis Dixon led Oregon.  Now they were facing Tim Tebow led Florida in a bowl game.      

Perhaps because it was his last game, Lloyd finally decided to let go and let his talent at QB, WR, and RB win a game on offense.  Michigan, an under-center team all season, went to the shotgun in a passing oriented offense that went for almost 400 yards passing on 39 attempts . . . a radical stat line for a Lloyd Carr team.  They needed all of those yards to keep up with Florida's high-powered offense, and they did.  They were not going to win this game by playing a normal Lloyd Carr punt-and-play-defense game.  It was a bowl game adjustment that Michigan was indeed capable of, and they won because of it.

That we have not had more of these kinds of adjustments ready to go, adjustments that we are capable of, is the reason that we have lost so many bowl games we could have won.    

 

Eng1980

December 29th, 2023 at 8:15 AM ^

I watched the 76 Orange Bowl on TV as a high school senior.  I remember the frustration and desperate feel on the Michigan players in the 4th quarter (or maybe it was in the voice of the announcer.)

You are perfectly right and there is more to consider.  USC in 2006/7 had all four linebackers injured in the middle of the season and picked up two losses at that time.  They were absolutely the best team in the country that day (1/1/07).  Michigan had a depleted DB corps and USC figured that out.

Michigan 2007/8 had a terribly shoulder injured Chad Henne which lead to at least 3 losses by itself.  Henne gets a few stitches in his shoulder after the OSU game and flings the ball like a pro in the bowl game.  Michigan "could maybe" have beaten anyone that day.  (1 punt? against the team that won the national championship in years before and after?)

 

Buy Bushwood

December 29th, 2023 at 9:37 AM ^

I agree to some extent, that we have gone into these games with the attitude of needing to impose our strength on lesser teams.  Meanwhile these "lesser" teams have spent time prepping for our weaknesses, while we have been prepping our own strengths, not for the opponents' weaknesses.  TCU last year was a good case study. We should have been ready for the run blitz-ball and it took us a half to adjust, looking up from a big hole.  That's happened in a bunch of other bowl games as well, like the Brady-Bama game where we ran the ball into an iron wall for a half.  Had we not had the GOAT we'd have lost that too. 

thethirdcoast

December 30th, 2023 at 6:03 PM ^

Regarding that Citrus Bowl offense Lloyd installed, is there any detailed background available about what prompted him to do that and how he was able to install that entire offense in a month or so of practice?

I've seen the MLive behind the scenes story about Michigan in the two or three days leading up to that Citrus Bowl, but I don't feel like it goes into all that much detail regarding the motivation and implementation that went into that offense.

M-Dog

December 31st, 2023 at 5:42 AM ^

There is a theory that it was to help Lloyd's OC Mike DeBord get a job once the season was over.  

It was Carr's original plan to have a great year in 2007 and then ride off into the sunset after a championship season and leave DeBord behind as the new Michigan coach.  But then App State happened.  And Oregon.  And Henne's injury and the subsequent tepid Ohio State loss.

Michigan looked like an obsolete and dying program by the end of the season.  DeBord was not going to be the Michigan coach after all of that.

He needed a post-Michigan job and Lloyd decided to let him audition for it in the bowl game by showing that he could indeed coach a modern offense.  He had probably been bugging Carr for years to let him open up the offense like that.  It was a game plan that he had ready to go, which is why he was able to do it in just a few weeks before the bowl game.

 

mb121wl

December 31st, 2023 at 8:49 PM ^

Allow me to quote from M-Dog’s spot-on assessment and reinforce key points for emphasis:

“We regularly beat up on an overmatched Big Ten, which makes us over-confident in our approach ... heading into the bowl game. 

When we meet teams with better talent—which happens often because we tend to be overrated by beating up on the Big Ten—we don't have any kind of game plan in place that can give us an edge.  We just think we can do what we did all season what ... worked great in the Big Ten.  When it doesn't, we are caught flatfooted with no well-rep'd Plan B ready to go.

The most disappointing thing is that there have been very few cases where our talent level was so far behind that we couldn't have made adjustments necessary to win.

That we have not had more of these kinds of adjustments ready to go, adjustments that we are capable of, is the reason that we have lost so many bowl games we could have won.”

Why don’t we plan for them?  Why do the coaches “think we can do what…worked great in the Big Ten” and win bowl games against much better-balanced offenses and stacked boxes on defense?

Conservativism (football), arrogance, stubbornness.

XM - Mt 1822

December 29th, 2023 at 5:51 AM ^

one other factor in all of this is that for nearly every single bowl game we were the 'away' team, and by that i mean teams like USC, UCLA, heck, even UW were playing either in their home state/stadium, or much, much closer than we were.

speaking about my time as a student and with our buddies on rose bowl trips, it was a whole new world out there for a midwestern kid.  it is just another day for the USC/UW kids.

same thing for the florida bowls, alamo bowl and on and on.  easy drive for, say, south carolina (x2), FSU, KSU, etc.  

not saying we win those games, but i am saying being the away team for literally (or nearly) every single bowl game is a disadvantage.  over time that factor makes a difference.  

Eng1980

December 29th, 2023 at 8:24 AM ^

As a freshman at the 1/1/77 Rose Bowl and an inexperienced fan, I was stunned to hear that the ever popular and thunderous "Go . . .Blue" from each end zone was but a whisper at the Rose Bowl in comparison to home games.  It never occurred to me that it would not be equally loud on the road as at home.

XM - Mt 1822

December 29th, 2023 at 9:51 AM ^

the noise is one factor.  another is simply being 'home', your own bed, your own known schedule and meals.  another is how different the environment you are heading to will be.  to go from december michigan to california is a big, big change.  all of that is a distraction, a loss of focus, a loss of intensity, a change of how and where you watch film, where/when/what you eat, etc. 

heck, i remember when steve smith got caught in bed at bed check with a certain cheerleader (yes, i know her name but won't disclose it) and nearly didn't get to play in the rose bowl. 

i have had occasion to play football from california to NY and a bunch of places in between, so i speak from some experience.   and again, i'm not saying it makes winning impossible, sure wasn't for my teams, but i will say in the long run it makes a difference.  

Buy Bushwood

December 29th, 2023 at 9:41 AM ^

That's just not true.  While it's a haul to these games, the ticket sales and attendance are even, and UM travels well.  We have neutral crowds.  The only argument you could make is that it's UCLA's home field (but we've played them in 1 Rose Bowl?  And that USC get's to sleep in their own beds before the game.  But I think that's nominal.  I think we've been unprepared to deal with offensive schemes we're not used to, and we've traditionally overestimated our running game.   Then again, this is really just Bo's problem (that is creeping up on Jimmy).  

DennisFranklinDaMan

December 30th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^

True enough, but that's also true for Ohio State, of course, and their record isn't as bad as ours.

I hate the fact that our arrogant conviction that we can just run it down our opponents' throats, which hurt Bo in so many bowl games, seems to be replicated by Harbaugh. Here's hoping our game plan this year actually accounts for what they're giving us, not just banging our heads against a wall.

griffinm9

December 29th, 2023 at 1:03 PM ^

I have one comment to hopefully make you feel better. Michigan opened as a two point favorite. 90+% of the money came in on Bama. The odds makers only moved the line one point. It looks to me like Vegas believes strongly Michigan is going to win and thinks they're in for a pay day.

 

And we know those guys are usually pretty solid. That's why it's so hard to bet on sports. 

MRunner73

December 29th, 2023 at 11:35 AM ^

The old sayin: Wait 'till next year. Well, next year is here. It's do or die at the Rose Bowl.

I like our chances and as a number's guy, I gave Michigan a 55% chance of winning.

No doubt that the record in bowl games since 1970 has been abysmal. I know that the trend is your friend but I have a guarded sense of optimism come Monday, Jan 1st.

jmblue

December 29th, 2023 at 1:06 PM ^

Given that it's been established over 6 different coaching staffs

You shouldn't regard the entire post-1970 era the same way.  We went 5-5 in bowls in the 1980s and 7-3 in the '90s.  Moeller went 4-1 in bowls!  Carr was 6-7, but started out 5-3.

Our rough periods have been the '70s (0-7) and since the 2003 season (3-13).

BlueHills

December 29th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

There was a time when the Big Ten was regarded as the best conference in the country. That was a long time ago when the running game dominated college football. Certainly by the early '70s it was history, having lapsed into the Big Two and the Little Eight.

Michigan has always been built to win during the difficult November stretch, in cold weather against Big Ten teams. We've always depended on the run game setting up the passing game. It's how we've won Big Ten championships, or come damn close. When it works, that's great.

When the run game doesn't work, we find ourselves stuck in a shootout with teams built for the passing game and wind up trying to play catch-up. 

A team that is built to win one way doesn't suddenly change into a different team, built to win a different way, very often.

We often pay the price in bowl games.

M-Dog

December 29th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^

What I find interesting is this:  Michigan is the last team in college football that you would expect to adjust away from being a heavily run-oriented program to the point where they can go toe to toe with the elite offenses you see in the CFP. 

But the second to last team that you would have expected to make this adjustment is three-yards-and-a-cloud of dust Ohio State.  Yet that is exactly what they did.

Unlike us, they are indeed built to win bowl games and CFP games against elite offenses.  They came within a few inches of winning their CFP semi-final against Georgia last year, and therefore likely the National Championship. 

But of course, they struggle to get through us in November.  Heh.

Somewhere between their approach and our approach is an optimal approach for both the Big Ten AND the CFP.

mackbru

December 29th, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^

Rose Bowl games skewed by a few pts becomes of home/away with USC. But mostly Michigan has tended to lose those bowl games because they have historically been overrated while PAC teams are usually underrated.

You are what your record says you are, and any other explanation is an excuse.

Sons of Louis Elbel

December 29th, 2023 at 9:52 PM ^

In the book that Bo co-wrote w/JUB, Bo says that he focused on having his team ready to execute, and did not focus on being an innovator on offense. His results very much reflect this approach: against teams where we had a clear talent advantage (i.e. the “Little Eight”), his record was outstanding (15 losses in 21 seasons). Against a team that was basically our mirror opposite, he was slightly over .500. Against teams that had similar talent levels and were willing to be more creative (ND + bowl teams), his record was pretty bad, even accounting for some bad luck. (I realize this says nothing about our poor bowl record post-Bo.) 

JBLPSYCHED

December 30th, 2023 at 8:10 AM ^

Like Don I am a lifelong Michigan fan and I remember watching that 13-12 Rose Bowl loss to Stanford on a small, square black and white tv almost 50 years ago. I agree that for whatever reason Michigan's coaching staff has never emphasized bowl success, instead seemingly focused on beating OSU and winning the Big 10 championship as if it was the National Championship. In hindsight the bowl games felt like desserts to celebrate successful seasons in which we had already fulfilled our primary mission.

Of course none of this has to effect the game on Monday. From my point of view, with everything going on this season, including coach Harbaugh's future status as our coach vs. leaving for the NFL, this matchup with Alabama is a legacy game. Harbaugh's bowl record stinks, just like Bo's did, but a win on Monday in which we play well and beat the SEC champions and advance to the National Championship game would do a lot for Michigan's reputation (as well as Harbaugh's legacy).

Even though I doubt that Harbaugh would ever admit it I think that as a keen student of Michigan football history as well as a former player himself, he knows this and is determined to approach this game differently. This is in addition to being motivated to overcome CFP losses in the last two semi-finals and prove that despite this season's adversity we are truly capable of playing our brand of football and winning on a national stage (outside the B1G).

I also agree with the poster who said that Vegas seems to know what they're doing. I have no idea what their basis might be but I'm going with it (in spirit--not a gambler). As the game gets closer I'm feeling more optimistic. Go Blue!

UMgradMSUdad

December 30th, 2023 at 4:40 PM ^

It could be worse. Minnesota fans are crowing about PJ Fleck  being 5-0 in bowl games, which is exceptional.  The only problem is which bowl games they were: 2 Quicklane bowls, Pinstripe,  Holiday, and Outback.

A Michigan coach would never reach 5 wins in those bowls because he would be fired long before he coached in his second Quicklane Bowl.

Bill22

December 31st, 2023 at 10:32 AM ^

That ‘05 Alamo Bowl really pissed me off.  Those Sun Belt Conference refs were incompetent and Lloyd kept having to use his limited challenges to get calls correct.  Such a bullshit game.

tybert

January 1st, 2024 at 12:27 AM ^

I'm feeling that today (it is Jan 1st!) will be for JH what 1/1/81 felt like for Bo.

Critics blasting his team for losing bowl games (0-7 at that point) only to play to a 7-6 lead in the 1st half. Washington dominated the 1st half but our great D held them to 2 FGs and a failed 4th and goal. 2nd half was all UM. We finally opened up the O and had Anthony Carter is amazing formations and plays. 

I've watched the nearly 2.5 HR YouTube full game replay several times.  As the game finished, Dick Enberg (a Michigan native) commented about how Bo was a "different man" upon coming to Pasadena for the game and seemed way more relaxed. That's what I'm expecting TODAY.

Go Blue!

ps I'm going to watch that 81 RB again - plenty of beer in the fridge