Best and Worst: MSU

Submitted by bronxblue on November 18th, 2019 at 1:07 AM

Best: Blank Check

My favorite podcast (sorry MGoBlog, you lost the pole position when the "rueful laughter per episode" counter broke sometime during 2017) is Blank Check with Griffin & David. The two hosts are David Sims (film critic for The Atlantic) and Griffin Newman, oft-harried assistant in movies and, most recently, Arthur on the Amazon version of The Tick. While the original premise of the podcast was a sometimes-insane analysis of the Star Wars prequels, for most of its run it has focused on exploring the legacy of various movie directors. Or, as the opening spiel for each podcast goes:

It's a podcast about filmographies; director's who have had massive success and are then given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear, and sometimes they bounce...baby.

 

They've covered a broad spectrum of directors, from M. Night Shyamalan and Christopher Nolan to Nancy Meyers and Michael Mann. Each week they watch a film from that mini-series's director and discuss, in depth, the technical, thematic, and cultural significance of the movie, how it fits into the director's oeuvre, and its lasting impact. Some directors, like Hayao Miyazaki, James Cameron, and Nolan really don't have a fallow period, producing great works both commercially and critically while maintaining an every-evolving vision. Others, like Kathryn Bigelow, Ang Lee, and Paul Verhoeven have some hits and misses but are always pushing the envelope technically or culturally. And some, like Cameron Crowe and Tim Burton started out with a bang but seemingly never evolved, settling into a routine product with diminishing returns.

While some directors start out the gate on fire (such as Shyamalan with The Sixth Sense or Tim Burton with Pee-Wee's Big Adventure through Edward Scissorshands), most have a beginning, middle, and end to their careers that mirrors a normal distribution when graphed out; your classic Gaussian/Bell curve. In the beginning, you don't have a ton of experience but you do have a ton of potential, and as you work on your craft your success rises until it peaks. For successful directors, that's typically when the "blank checks" kick in, when you've proven yourself with a surprise hit or two and studios turn to you to tackle a larger, more high-profile project that, they hope, turns into box office gold. At that point, you're usually "in the pocket" with the zeitgeist, either tapped into it (or in some cases creating it) and bringing that connection to the screen. If you're lucky, you also take home a couple of trophies along the way. But with few exceptions, at some point a director loses this connection with his or her audience and his/her output diminishes. With guys like Lee and Burton (and to some extent Cameron, though he keeps pumping out hits) they became seduced by technology and the control it gives them over their films, losing the thread of humanity that makes their movies relatable and instead replacing them with visual wizardry and shallow stories. Others, like Crowe and Meyers, just keep banging out the same material but find their audience shrinking, the victims of the fickle nature of pop culture. And some, like Verhoeven and Wachowskis keep making their weird stuff and seemingly don't care if anyone buys a ticket to see them. But in all cases, directors rarely know when they've reached the end of the road, and even if the do notice that nagging voice in the back of their head they probably assume it's temporary.

I wanted to find some meme of Mark Dantonio holding a boombox above his head as he waits outside of Glenn Winston's cell or dressed like Willy Wonka and surrounded by Oompa Loompas he's trying to recruit away from various MAC teams because his first-choice guys would rather walk-on somewhere else. But the internet failed me, as it rarely does. So this is the next-best thing.

Mark Dantonio took Michigan State to untold heights early in his career; they won 10 or more games 6 out of 8 years, winning BCS bowls and laying legitimate claim to being one of the best teams of the 2010's. He's the winningest coach in the school's history and probably in their top 2, depending on how favorably you look upon the Biggie Munn era. While his ability to "coach up" lower-rated guys was perhaps a bit overstated, he absolutely out-performed his recruiting rankings on the field for a significant chunk of his tenure, as witnessed by the fact he only recruiting one top-20 class (and that class had...um...some issues) and was always behind 4-5 schools in the conference. He played an aggressive quarters defense that produced consistently vicious defenses that absolutely bamboozled opponents. He preached toughness, the galvanizing power of real and fabricated sleights, and the Spartan family. He made fun of a college athlete, talked about pride this time of the year, and created a culture at MSU that wasn't John L. Smith being a meme before that was a thing. And yes, his tenure was marked by various transgressions off the field that were overlooked when times were good but now look like a Ponzi scheme with the Devil that came due.

Dantonio's record against Michigan is currently 8-5; it's unlikely Michigan will get 3 more cracks at him to even that number up. He's 63 years old, has the conference's 10th-best recruiting class coming in, and is staring down a deposition that will undoubtedly touch on his handling of sexual assaults and other transgressions by his former players. His reshuffling of the offensive staff over the summer has been a barely-mitigated nightmare, his much-vaunted defense came into the game having given up at least 28 points in 5 straight games, and he doesn't seem particularly introspective about the possibility of changes. Regardless of the cause, college football is no longer buying the Dantonio brand, and it's unlikely that he's got a 3rd or 4th act in him to reset the narrative. Could he chug along a year or two more, living off past successes and the promise of a return to form? Sure - there's a Beetlejuice 2 in works, apparently. But if I'm an MSU fan, I'm not expecting to see another blockbuster season without a change in the director's chair.

Best: Don Brown Slipped

First off, before you all attack me in the comments for being a homer, I have to point out that Don Brown's defense really underperformed compared to the last time he played MSU. I mean, MSU more than doubled their yardage and yards-per-play from last year's game and scored on multiple 50+ yard drives early in each half. Again, maybe this is just an overreaction in the heat of the moment, but...I mean...

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But given this TOTALLY SERIOUS and COHERENT complaint, Michigan's defense still had a banner day against MSU. I think we've passed the era of MSU saving up all the "good stuff" for this game, but they still had some good plays drawn up to take advantage of Michigan's aggressiveness, especially at the linebacker level. Cody White and Elijah Collins are decent players and MSU's offensive line held up better than I expected considering they were starting a couple of guys who should have still been hooked up to a Donut Hell machine in a perhaps-vain attempt to reach a reasonable mass. But other than the two aforementioned UNACCEPTABLE drives, MSU got absolutely nothing going offensively during the semi-competitive portion of the game. Both Lavert Hill and Ambry Thomas swallowed up MSU's receivers, each picking up an interception, a PBU, and in Hill's case, a flex. Brian Lewerke, as has been a theme this year, looked lost for long stretches out there as MSU's offensive gameplan alternated between semi-competent stretches and plays somewhere between "dorf" and "ugh". For the game MSU's offense had 2 9-play drives, one of which ended in a TD and the other netting 26 yards and a punt, and one 13-play drive that ended in a 35-yard FG (!) when they were down 24-7 (!!).  Everything else was either a turnover or a drive that barely got off the ground.

And each of these drives just looked like a slog, similar to those Rich Rod/Hoke-led Michigan teams trying to move the ball against the once-vaunted MSU defenses. In a lot of ways, MSU has the problem a lot of those UM teams had; they've got a punch and maybe one counter-punch, but once a defense has figured them out there aren't a ton of wrinkles. Without two of their four leading receivers and behind maybe the worst non-Rutgers offensive line in the conference, MSU rarely tried to stretch the field vertically, and good luck trying to dink-and-dunk your way against Don Brown. In a game where you always hear about one team wanting to be tough in the trenches, MSU got more first-downs by penalty (5) than they did on the ground (3).

I'm sure the UFR will go into much more detail, but watching it live and in the condensed 60-minute BTN breakdown, the defense just played great at every level. Mike Danna has been a great addition for this one year, a consistent force both against the run as well as on the pass rush, and he led the team's linemen in tackles on the day. Glasgow and Metellus were sure tacklers, keeping any positive play to a minimum, and Metellus added at least two big hits. The corners I already discussed but they were omnipresent; as Detroit natives you could tell both Hill and Thomas took shutting down MSU's passing game as a personal quest. The lack of big counting, havoc-y stats (Michigan only had 3 sacks and 5 TFLs) was mostly due to MSU's gameplan of "just not in the face". Everything was short, or on the run, or designed to minimize the potential for a doctor to have to check on the health of anyone in green and white.

Listen, I want to have some deeper take on the defense's performance but, much like when Michigan played Army, Maryland, or Iowa (all offenses demonstrably better per SP+ than MSU's coming into the game), at some point it doesn't really matter how much gasoline you added to the burning trash fire because that baby was burning fine well before you showed up.

Best: Hudson Hawk

Khaleke Hudson had an underwhelming junior year, in some part due to shifts in duties that required him to play more like a traditional linebacker (e.g. trying to hold up against Wisconsin's ground game or trying to cover WRs) and less like his natural Viper position. He wasn't bad or anything, but after a record-setting sophomore campaign 2018 was a step back.

But in one of the more pleasant surprises of the season for the defense, Hudson has largely returned to his previous destructive self, even if the counting stats aren't quite there. Yes, he's still not great when asked to be your classic linebacker and can get a bit lost in coverage, but as a guy who can attack from the edge and keep runs tamped down, he's been great. And his blocked punt in this game (the 5th of his career), effectively ended the competitive part of the game for MSU; the doors sorta blew off when Michigan scored on the subsequent play. His presence will be missed next season, even if there are a number of viable options to fill the gap.

Best: They Warned Us

Back in early October, after scraping by Iowa 10-3, Jim Harbaugh commented that he thought the offense was 'very close' to turning the corner. Everyone sorta scoffed at the notion; I was admittedly a bit more optimistic because I really did think they looked far more competent than in previous weeks (and Iowa turned out to be pretty good defensively), but it certainly didn't feel like the floodgates were opening. Michigan's offense was scuttling along at 66th in the country and weren't particularly good at anything other than turning the ball over in ever-more spectacular ways. And yet, as of this morning Michigan's offense is now 34th in the country, a bit worse than last year's 25th-place finish but trending in the right direction, having scored 30+ points in every game since save PSU, where they still nearly pulled off a pretty impressive comeback despite facing a solid defense and an even solid-er officiating crew's attempts to rewrite the rules of pass interference.

Now, Michigan State's defense absolutely helped out this game; the Spartans are middle-of-the-pack in league play, giving up about 5 yards per play (for comparison purposes, Michigan gives up a shade over 4 ypp) and aren't great against the run or the pass. I thought Patterson controlled the offense well and made a lot of solid throws and reads, but 11.6 ypa is Rutgers-level passing efficiency and a solid 3 yards better than he's thrown against any other conference foe this season. Whether it be DPJ, Bell, McKeon, or Collins, Michigan's receivers were finding massive holes in MSU's secondary all day, and it should come as no surprise that this was by 100 yards his best passing day of his career as a Wolverine and his best ever against P5 opponents. And it was a game with little potential for back-breaking mistakes; he didn't see a linebacker on a ball to Collins in the endzone that was batted away but otherwise he didn't throw into bad coverage, fumble, or really take any bad penalties. After being sacked on the first drive because rather inexplicably there was nobody short, the other 2 of his 3 sacks came on one drive midway through the third, and even then one of them was caused by him tripping as he ran out of the pocket. Otherwise, this was probably his most complete game of the year and a nice comeback from two down-ish games. Nobody really wants to say anything, but if this game kicks off a Rudock-esque awakening these final 3 games I won't complain.

The star through the air was undoubtedly Ronnie Bell, who picked up 150 yards on 9 catches and consistently shredded whomever MSU put on him. And he clearly has a thing for sequels, as he victimized Tre Person with almost the same play as DPJ did last year, down to the flailing helplessly as the receiver raced past him. I've said this a couple of times already, but Bell maybe being the best/most complete receiver on the team isn't some indictment of his more lauded teammates; he's just really good. The fact he somehow leads the team in receptions but doesn't have a TD yet feels like one of those weird bugs the developers need to fix.

As for the rest of the receivers, Collins had a nice TD grab right after the blocked punt and was his usual matchup nightmare; he picked up another obvious DPI in the endzone on Michigan's second scoring drive and probably should have gotten a couple more. DPJ scored on what I believe was the first pass out of an Orbit Motion of the year (I'll admit to not being an expert on formations), sailing over the pylon and then breaking out his signature taunt. Black got dinged for double-arm flexing after a first down but so be it; I don't see how it's demonstrably different than every time a corner waves his arm around after an incompletion. Still, and I want to stress I'm not getting my hopes up, but this passing offense looks REALLY scary and sustainable in a way that won't look like Oklahoma or LSU but should still put fear into opponents.

Throw out kneel-downs and Patterson's 3 sacks and the running game eked out 101 yards on 25 carries, a tidy 4 yards per carry that isn't going to move mountains but still about a yard more per carry than MSU has allowed this year. Yes MSU has been lit up by OSU and Wisconsin this season but considering this team struggled to get 3 yards against Army, I'll take 4 in a game where Michigan didn't really have to break out anything beyond Patterson sometimes keeping in order to score 44 points.

Worst: What Could Have Been

I think the move to Josh Gattis as OC will, ultimately, pay massive dividends for Michigan. While (as we've seen) they probably threw out too much of last year's perfectly-cromulent rushing attack to start the year, the ceiling for this offense still feels higher than it would have under Pep Hamilton or Tim Drevno. I'm sorta done with a couple of the gimmicks (stop trying to make the throwback to Dylan McCaffrey happen), but otherwise it feels like a team that can smash opponents on the ground or in the air, and we've seen a marked increase in leveraging athleticism and speed in recent matchups. I don't think the "chuck it to Nico Collins all the time" (even in non-hyperbolic terms) works because it's reliant on college refs to call obvious pass interferences consistently, but there are multiple guys on this team who can get you chunk plays against good defenses. My guess is that when the dust settles, Michigan will have a top 25-ish offense per SP+, even if OSU looms as a rather formidable roadblock.

The problem is that Michigan didn't quite work this all out beforehand, and so they probably took a loss they shouldn't have in the process. I'm not sure Wisconsin turns out much different except the score's a bit closer; when Jack Coan is 13/16 and rushing for 2 TDs, it's probably just not your day. But Penn State has quietly had one of those seasons where they win a ton of close games (4-1 in 1-score games) and have a slightly-lucky turnover margin at +6, and those teams are probably a bit worse than their record indicates. By comparison, Michigan is about average nationally in turnover margin (+2 on the year) and 2-1 in 1-score games. Save for some awful officiating early on and some bad luck late, they probably win that game even then, and the offensively-dynamic version of Michigan we see now likely wins that game going away.

Do I think Michigan can beat OSU this year? Sure - we live in a world where Illinois is likely to finish the season with 7 or more wins. Even the most complete teams in the country can have a misstep, and OSU has played exactly 0 teams with a pulse on the road this year. But that still feels like a loss. But Michigan spent a lot of time this year getting to the start line, and it would have been nice had they not given other teams that head start.

Best: Ronnie "For Whom The Bell Tolls"

Yeah, nicknames are hit and miss, but Ronnie Bell deserves...something. Yeah, all the "Bell" nicknames are sorta corny at this point (and no Michigan player will likely have one better than "Well Dressed" Armani Toomer), but he's playing great and we live in a world where everyone's got multiple nicknames. Hopefully he'll keep it up and Gus Johnson will come up with something against OSU.

Worst: Siblings

So Gus Johnson let slip a "Little Brother" reference as Michigan put the finishing touches on the game. During the week, Ambry Thomas posited that MSU would be exposed as a "little sister" with a loss. There are people who will zealously defend this characterization as good-natured trash talk and faux-wokeness if you disagree; if you're one of those people then feel free to skip ahead. But if I could Quantum Leap into someone's body in recent Michigan history, it'd be Mike Hart and stop him from calling MSU "Little Brother". It was a dumb insult at the moment, it somehow is even dumber now, and has devolved to the point where grown men and women treat being characterized as a small female child as a worthy insult. It's (at best) lazy and uncreative, at worst needlessly misogynistic, and if pointing that out makes me some PC goof so be it; I'd rather be called that than be the man or woman who calls other grown men and women little children as if that's fucking cutting.

Quick Hits

  • The refereeing to start the game was...annoyingly inconsistent. Or bad. Things got better, frankly, once the referees realized MSU wasn't really going to keep it close and their job shifted to "let's not have an amateur version of Myles Garrett break out".
  • To that end, other than a couple of taunting penalties and your now-standard "MSU guy just trying to hurt someone" ejection, it was a reasonably docile game. Michigan's players definitely let their disdain for MSU shine through, but Michigan is clearly at another level football-wise than MSU, and at some point you don't want to lose a guy for a half or even a full game because some goober on the other team is looking to start a fight.
  • If you want a microcosm of how times have changed, MSU went from 4th-and-1 during a semi-competitive part of the game, to a false start penalty, to a punt that was blocked, to a touchdown in 3 plays to start the 4th quarter. MSU used to be the recipient of those mental breakdowns, when teams just did dumb shit because they couldn't figure out how to break through the Spartans. Now, it's been a season of Sparty No! and that's unlikely to change.

Next Week

Yeah, I could write more about MSU, but why? They're a middling conference opponent trending downwards; I put a time limit on my Maryland diary and I'd argue they have a brighter future. So on to Indiana, who played...fine...in a loss to Penn State. Peyton Ramsey had a good game and while I still think Penix is their best QB, their passing game is no joke and Stevie Scott has recovered from early-season struggles to be yet another annoying IU back. Indiana is due to win one of these and it wouldn't shock me if they did so at home. At the same time, this Michigan team is playing at another level than we've seen for most of the year and, frankly, I don't see them breaking out anything too unique. It'll be annoying to watch I'm sure, but Michigan's defense has shown a flexibility to match what an opponent wants to do this year, and that's a shift from past seasons when IU could prey on inconsistencies. And assuming Michigan wins this game...well, 10 wins are still on the table.

Comments

ohio

November 18th, 2019 at 2:14 AM ^

Rueful laughter per episode counter lol...just start the show already. Or ghost write for a Drake type persona or just write cause I actually find the writing of our fearless leaders incredibly amusing and humorous. But now they have radio obligations and it makes one long for yesteryear minus the suck of Rich Rod.

901 P

November 18th, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^

One of the things I like about these posts is that Bronx Blue doesn't overreact to one game. A loss does not turn into a lamentful screed about how terrible the team is, and a win does not lead to unreasonable pronouncements about how Michigan is going to dominate for the rest of the year. Bronx Blue always tries to draw *some* lessons from a single game, but I think he also realizes that one game can only reveal so much. 

bronxblue

November 18th, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^

It's a lot that, honestly, MSU isn't all that good.  They aren't much better than your run-of-the-mill Big 10 team, and so it's hard to read too much into beating them this badly.  Like, if they were Maryland, or Purdue, or Nebraska or whatever, it would be difficult to conclude how much was UM being great and how much was the opponent ass.  Indiana will tell us a lot more about how good this team is to end the year and their prospects for OSU.

Drew Henson's Backup

November 18th, 2019 at 5:29 AM ^

MSU made “little brother” a big deal, not Mike Hart.

“Little Brother” as a dig at MSU predates Hart by years, probably decades.

It’s an incredibly apt description of their behavior and should never go away.

MSU, being the little brother that they are, introduced little sister. I am sorry Ambry brought it up (and now will forever be falsely credited with creating it) but hopefully Wokeness will save us from inaccurately describing MSU as little sis.

Goggles Paisano

November 18th, 2019 at 6:18 AM ^

I have always preferred the nicknames where the last name falls as the last word, such as Bert "Be Home" Blyleven.  Ronnie "For Whom the Bell Tolls" would be good if his name were Ronnie Tolls.  So how about, Ronnie "You Can Ring My" Bell?  

Sorry in advance if that song gets stuck in your head today.  

You Only Live Twice

November 18th, 2019 at 9:20 AM ^

Always enjoy reading these, even if we didn't win, it is just so much better when we do.  Enjoyed the movie director analogy.  BTW I would fully expect that you aren't a fan of Nancy.  I love her movies - they are very well done, chick flick escapism.   

Also you have pinpointed a couple of items that always seem to cause people some heartburn, that I am not bothered by.  The Little Brother tag has been around for a long time before Mike Hart, and if Dantonio didn't seize on that as motivational material, he would have found something else.  When someone is determined to be insulted, they will suceed.  The second is the the occaisonal goofy play mixed in - I don't mind them doing a little experimentation, but this seems to be a minority view.

 

 

bronxblue

November 18th, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^

I'll admit I do like Nancy Meyers, especially her earlier stuff, quite a bit.  What Women Want is problematic now and It's Complicated is a little weird, but I love the Father of the Bride movies she co-wrote and The Intern is underrated.  I liked in the podcast where they constantly pointed out how Michael Mann and James Cameron being exacting weirdos is lauded while Meyers wanting the perfect kitchen shot is treated as a sideshow.

I like goofy plays if they are part of the offense more organically.  Like, go wildcat with Haskins, have him throw to Patterson and then either throw it back or downfield.  Or fake with McCaffrey to Patterson and then run it.  But those plays where it's obvious what you're doing don't work usually and leads to an intentional grounding penalty.

crg

November 18th, 2019 at 9:31 AM ^

People make way, way too much out of Hart's actual "little brother" comment.  It was an awkward joke from a 20 year old kid that just had an outstanding game.  The only reason it even persists in the public discussion is because Dantonio needed something to latch onto to boost his DISREPEKT mantra.

Now, the way the phrase is currently used by people is a bit over the top, but whatever - it's college rivalries and there are much, much worse forms of it out there.

LeCheezus

November 18th, 2019 at 9:35 AM ^

The "little brother" thing was a mostly harmless comment made by a 20 year old.  It became a thing because it is exceedingly accurate about a huge portion of the MSU fan base - insults that are accurate hurt and linger the most.  It was also massively played up by a man in his mid 50's who has no other fuel to put in his team other than disrespekt (R) and hatred, and fully understands his fan base.  Dantonio so successfully turned that into a massive slight that UM is basically portrayed as the bully over the last decade in the media, who ignores MSU/Dantonio's cheap shots, both verbal and physical.  It only cuts so deep because it's true.

I get your point about "moving on, we beat a bad team, no need to linger."  However I'd encourage everyone to enjoy some of the wins we've had and try to look at the season in ways other than through the prism of The Game.  When is the last time we've blown out ND and MSU in the same season?  Certainly not that I can remember.  Regardless of the feeling that order has been restored in regards to MSU, 34 point wins over MSU have been few and far between (17 years since the last similar margin).

ijohnb

November 18th, 2019 at 9:44 AM ^

I would disagree with something toward the end of this post.  To me, the game seemed anything but docile, and thought it approached melee intensity a couple of times.   

MGoBlue96

November 18th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^

I think some people don't like the little brother thing because they think it contributed to the success Mork had against UM, but the reality is he had that success because Michigan made two very bad coaching hires, nothing more, nothing less. People also forget Hart made that comment in response to Mork taunting UM for the App State loss. The characterization of MSU as little brother is 100% accurate in how they think and act. 

MadMatt

November 18th, 2019 at 10:39 AM ^

We avoided an all time WORST in this game: Mike D'antonini acting like the World's biggest jackass after WINNING an important game.  Lots of people will cite lots of annoying things that marked (strike that, marred) his run as MSU's best W-L record coach ever.  To me, he retired the trophy of World's Biggest Jackass by being surly and dismissive in victory.  Peak Dantonio was running up the score on one of the most hapless Michigan teams ever (that was dealing with a metric shit-tonne of issues internal to the Athletic Department), and then seizing on the fact a Michigan player had the audacity to bring a railroad spike onto the sacred turf of East Landfill Stadium as an excuse.  (And peak Hoke was apologizing for it.) There's a picture of his constipated faced in the urban dictionary next to the entry "sore winner."  Let THAT be his legacy.

Partial.Derivatives

November 18th, 2019 at 10:58 AM ^

Michigan needs to stop throwing the ball to covered receivers in crucial situations. I first noticed it in the 2016 OSU game. Grant Perry got mugged on 3rd down and officials did nothing about it. It's not just road versus away calls, look at what happened this game on fourth down. For whatever reason, dbs are allowed to mug receivers in do or die downs. Michigan needs to dial up wide open looks going forward. Create some picks/rub routes/straight up wide receiver downfield blocking situations since the refs don't like to call things. 

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 18th, 2019 at 11:03 AM ^

Yeah, as others have pointed out, "little brother" is accurate because that's pretty much exactly what they do.  Ambry Thomas not really getting it aside, when MSU decided on "little sister" it was EXACTLY what a little brother will do.  "Oh yeah?  Well YOU'RE the little SISTER (sticks tongue out)!"  My dad observed years and years ago that MSU can't ever just try to lift themselves up, they have to try and drag Michigan down - hence all their bumper stickers that said things like "u call it maize we call it corn."  It's even in their fight song.

So when a nickname is that damn apropos, I'm gonna use it.

taistreetsmyhero

November 18th, 2019 at 12:10 PM ^

If you believe that insults and trash talk have any place in sports, then Mike Hart's "Little Brother" insult is truly the pinnacle of trash talk. It is a bitingly apt analogy, a harmless comparison, and totally dug into the entire ethos of the MSU fanbase.

The fact that people (both at MSU and apparently newer fans like Thomas here at UM) have retorted with "Little Sister" has nothing to do with the merits of the original insult. 

Erik_in_Dayton

November 18th, 2019 at 1:19 PM ^

Something that makes me very happy: Michigan saw that MSU's weaknesses was pass defense and responded by...passing a lot. Most Michigan coaches - including Bo and Lloyd - wouldn't have done that (Carr's last game notwithstanding). The bias toward running the ball come hell or high water, which I admittedly sympathize with, has been too strong. And you just can't win that way all the time anymore. This felt like a step into the present, which is satisfying.

I give Harbaugh a lot of credit for being willing to adjust. He's not the stick in the mud people make him out to be when things are going poorly.

Also, I agree that "little brother" and "little sister" need to die. But not "Little Sister," the Queens of the Stone Age song, which is excellent.

Everyone Murders

November 18th, 2019 at 1:35 PM ^

Great write-up on a thoroughly pleasing pantsing of MSU.  One more Best (you touch on this, but it was a major point for me):

Best:  No serious Michigan injuries.

BronxBlue notes "other than a couple of taunting penalties and your now-standard "MSU guy just trying to hurt someone" ejection, it was a reasonably docile game".  That "MSU guy just trying to hurt someone" was 100% George Perles's brand, it's what originally made me despise MSU.  (Along with steroids.  Which, thank goodness that's no longer an issue at MSU, amiright?)  As Metellus noted:

"I'm pretty pleased because I feel like we're way more classier than them.  They try to take it to a level that wasn't playing football. We play football over here. I don't know what they do over there, but we play football and it showed today."

I'm sure much of E. Lansing's undies will be knotted by Metellus et al. waving MSU off the field, but there were several cheap-shot instances well after the whistle.  I'm glad nobody got hurt as a result of those cheap shots.  As Metellus said, one side was playing football and the other side was trying to play bully.  It didn't work so well for those trying to play bully. 

droptopdoc

November 18th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^

great read as usual, my only point that ill add, maybe we needed to switch up those stunts, because they were getting handled early on by msu, and if you are not disciplined in your assignment and not maintain your rush lane, then the qb can break out for big gains lewerke isnt  able to get some where like fields so that helped but he still took off too much for my liking and i can see that being a big issue in the osu game, they also were quick with their passes which neutralized our pass rush, i can see indiana using that to their advantage and Day adding too it. Shae needs to get more touch on his mid level passes, because he had opportunities to catch people in stride but they had to dive or really reach out for passes and that prevented big gains, but i wont complain f it we won on to indiana 

mi93

November 18th, 2019 at 11:37 PM ^

"The fact [Bell] somehow leads the team in receptions but doesn't have a TD yet feels like one of those weird bugs the developers need to fix."   Not gonna lie.  This hurts to read.  Poor damn Bell.

Also... when you take Hart's comments in full context, it was a very funny analogy, and delivered in good spirit - at least to me.  Mork let it irk him unnecessarily.  Guess he's the joke now.

albapepper

November 19th, 2019 at 6:26 PM ^

I think you missed the point of the "little brother" insult. 

 

"It's (at best) lazy and uncreative, at worst needlessly misogynistic, and if pointing that out makes me some PC goof so be it; I'd rather be called that than be the man or woman who calls other grown men and women little children as if that's fucking cutting."

 

As someone with 6 little brothers, it's a terrific insult. They're always busting their tails to beat you, always playing with a chip on their shoulder, and (just like in this rivalry) they're unbearable when they do beat you.

 

Winovich had the perfect follow up to the insult last year. Sometimes you do let them feel like they're going to win just to yank the carpet out from under them. And sometimes they get pretty cocky and you need to flatten them to put them back into place. 

 

It has nothing to do with thinking it's cutting to call someone a little kid. Just enjoy it. Life's too short to read subtext into a pretty straight forward comparison. 

 

UESWolverine

November 21st, 2019 at 9:57 PM ^

So well written. I love these entries. This is my favorite thing to read each week. 

I agree with you on the Little Brother thing but I did find Devin Gardner's comments about the quote pretty amazing. He said that MSU should be grateful Mike Hart made that comment. I hadn't thought of it that way until I heard him say it. He's got a valid point.