The 2 Paths of Jim Harbaugh's Future Recruiting at UM

Submitted by alum96 on

Trying to think through the past few weeks and the implications short term and long term, and avoiding the more "fire breathing" TRUST IN EVERYTHING OR YOU WANT HOKE 4EVER CROWD.  I think aside from the "win at any cost crowd" there has to be a bit of apprehension of some of the tactics by everyone else.  I do agree "win and none of this matters" but you have to win big (i.e. playoffs and NCs).    I think we are at the point now we have enough situations in a small amount of time at UM, plus the history at Stanford to see this is not a "one off" situation but a pattern.  I don't recall another school having a string of decommits like this in a short period of time -- so to do it annually IMO is going to be an issue.

So the question is will this be an annual event? Too soon to tell.

The 2 paths of Harbaugh recruiting at UM are:

  • Path 1:  Nothing changes.  "Accept many and cull in mass quantity" is the new Michigan recruiting method.  We'll be the only school who does this in such large quantity.  This is Jim Harbaugh.
  • Path 2:  While there will still be some head scratching things in the future because #Harbaugh, Jim will act a bit more like uhhh.... everyone else in America in that you build relationships with plan B targets but you don't accept a ton of them until your plan As say no.  So you build a draft board - offer all your As, Bs, and Cs to get your 200+ offers but make explicit who can actually accept them early - i.e. the As.

We won't know until the end of the 2017 cycle what path Jim will go but early returns point to path 1 - "Accept many and cull in mass quantities".  To that end an early look at the 2017 class shows a lot of 3* that if 2016 is a reasonable measure, won't be around in Feb 2017.

The counterargument is Harbaugh did not expect such an uptick in recruiting so quickly.  Frankly I find that a bit hard to believe because Hoke had multiple top 15 type classes including a 247 composite #4 and #6.  To believe Harbaugh thought this year he'd have a #26 class and need to build back up to top 5 or 10 "later" - with the Harbaugh brand at his tailwind - seems a bit hard to believe.  But some have proposed that is the reason for the "accept many and cull in mass quantity".

I'll propose a 2nd reason - Jim has an ego and he wanted the Summer Swarm to show immediate results.   I actually believe that more than "we had no idea we could recruit at a top 10 level at UM" theory.  

What I don't get - and why I propose the satellite camps will lose their effectiveness if Jim continues to "accept many and cull in mass quantity" - is why Jim didn't use the camps like most assumed they were created for:

  • Build long lasting relationships in parts of the country  UM is not local
  • Build goodwill in areas UM is not usually seen.
  • Have a chance to meet and evaluate under the radar guys who you can then "committable" offer late in the process as a plan B. 

That would make these camps a big success - you have a ready pool of players you can bring onto campus in December or January that otherwise we would have never seen in person as we juggle our plan As and plan Bs.  It builds goodwill - player and coach and parent gets excited they have a chance at a "committable" Michigan offer.  You are in the position to give a plan B prospect something rather than take away something late in their cycle.  You've built positive relationships in other parts of the country.

At this point it feels like only Flanagan fulfilled this promise and maybe Pratville but a lot of goodwill otherwise has been burnt.

If Jim stays on path 1, the satellite camps IMO become nearly useless.

  • The top 250 type kids don't participate in these.
  • The lower rated kids go for exposure.
  • If lower rated kid gets an offer, he accepts and immediately knows it doesn't mean much in terms of being there in February.
  • Lower rated kid who is now Michigan "commit" (wink wink) has little invested in the game as he is constantly thinking about parlaying offer into another offer at another school knowing his chance of remaining a UM commit the next Feb is nearly nil.
  • Lower rated kid is useless in recruiting other kids to UM because he has again little to nothing invested in UM itself as he doesn't believe he will be here in the end. 
  • Camaraderie among fellow recruits in class is tarnished when 30-40% believe they won't be around in the end anyhow.
  • More tarnishing of reputation, more upseting parents, more upseting local HS coaches by this idea of "offering and culling".  Again you are taking something away from them (offer given, offer taken) rather  than giving them something (offer given only) if you offer a satellite camp guy in June....
  • For a month rather than positive press you will get "here we go again" and "remember Swenson and Weaver" stories in the media as future Summer Swarms happen.

 

I really don't get the strategy of staying with path 1 for Jim Harbaugh mostly because there is zero benefit to do it in his situation.

  • This is not Stanford where the football players have a distinctly higher academic standard so you really do need to "commitable" offer 40 to get 25 into the class.
  • This is Michigan, not San Diego - people are aware of the school.  What benefit did offering recruits you didn't really want in the end generate - did high end recruits look at those lower rated guys and say "I want in because generic 800 ranked guy is in?"
  • You have an NFL pedigree now as a HC - you didn't have that at Stanford. Everyone knows who you are now - not like at Stanford.
  • There is no value add to attract high level recruits by this process of accept and reject of lower level recruits.

Summary - there is no reason to do this "accept and cull" in large quantities.  I get doing it in 2-3 cases where a top 100 player suddenly shows interest at a position you may have a generic 650th ranked guy.   But doing it with 1/3rd+ of the committed class makes no sense at Michigan, with a HC everyone knows.

As I've said in many posts I don't care about what the media or other fanbases or even other college coaches say.  I do care what recruits say to each other, what parents say to each other, what HS coaches say to each other.   And to believe a scorched earth tactic won't have an effect on the latter 3 groups if repeated annually is naive.   Even with Meyer and Saban you here 2-3 "questionable" cases a year - and some years 0 or 1.  Path 1 will lead to 8-10+ cases a year and IMO hurt the next coach here with a lot of broken relationships with HSs even if Harbaugh finds a way to succeed in spite of it.

Simple solutions:

  • Be your normal zany self in how you recruit but utilize commitable offers like every other staff in America.  Emphasize plan As while building relationships with plan Bs and Cs (camps would be excellent for the latter) - but only make the plan As committable early in the process in MOST cases.  (Always an exception or two but it can't be half the class purged)   So like any school you shoot out your 200 offers but of those only 15-20% are "acceptable" until say the December or January ahead of the Feb signing date.
  • When offering plan Bs and Cs early make everything explicit.  In writing works if you don't like the phone.  "You are still being evaluated and will continue to be evaluated as with all other recruits.  If we believe your ability to play meaningful time at the University of Michigan is lower immediately after your senior season you will be notified quickly and directly (i.e. not hinting but talking to a 17 year old like a 50 year old professional) so you can move onto a situation that offers you a better chance to fulfill your football goals.  You will receive a FedEx'd letter from the football program followed up by a phone call by your immediate recruiter and/or the head coach to explain this change in condition by Dec 1st at the latest."

Comments

Ziff72

January 26th, 2016 at 10:42 AM ^

Since you have no idea what his current strategy is or what he tells kids, I'll hold off on selecting 1 or 2.  

Swenson's story was picked apart instantly.

Weaver's story is even more ridiculous, but it prompted a diary?  

 

Albatross

January 26th, 2016 at 11:14 AM ^

His story was anything but picked apart, unless you consider conjecture and desperate theories as facts.

His coach came out and directly said that first time they had any indication that something was amiss was when the staff told him to start taking other visits a couple weeks prior.

To try and defend the staff you have to believe that the coaches told Swenson of his situation long before January and no one in Swenson' strong support structure stepped in to make sure he pursued his options. A lot harder to believe then the pattern we have seen Harbaugh take with other recruits here and at Stanford, which is get the committment, stop communicating when you cooled on them and dump them when you are done with them.

baldurblue

January 26th, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^

Sam Webb knew back in November that Swenson wasn't gonna end up in this class, and if I recall correctly MGoBlog reported it as well.  We've all been expecting Weaver to decommit as well.  So the media guys that follow recruiting knew, but the players didn't? 

Kevin13

January 26th, 2016 at 3:22 PM ^

Exactly, I don't think these kids just found out in the last week. They have known for a while and maybe they were just holding out hope things would change. I don't want to pass judgement on JH until I can hear his side of the story. I usually find out there are three sides to every story: yours, mine and the cold hard truth.

BlueSwave34

January 28th, 2016 at 6:48 AM ^

we have all known for awhile. I went back and read one of your(alum 96) recruiting breakdowns from 2 months ago. You had Weaver and Enis both projected OUTof this class. Two months ago! So how in the world does everyone on this blog know they are not going to end up in the class but the players dont?? I call bullshit. So how can fans jump all over Harbaugh when they have not even heard his side of this? Do you think he has earned that? I mean really what the hell is going on? The man just got done coaching his ass off and turned a 5-7 shit show into a 10 win Football team. And is recruiting his ass off trying to get all of you ungrateful narcisistic fans a top 5 class. Its not good enough. Someone always has to bitch and cry. Grow up

pescadero

January 27th, 2016 at 1:04 PM ^

It's irrelevant whether the players knew.

 

All that is relevant is did the coaching staff EXPLICITLY and OBJECTIVELY tell the players.

 

Just because a player got the hint (or should have gotten the hint) doesn't make "hinting" an acceptable way to communicate. The ends don't justify the means.

schreibee

January 26th, 2016 at 2:20 PM ^

Albatross, I kinda think you're full of it, and have an agenda on here constantly bashing JH and overly eager to take a repudiated kid's side.

You are either a fan of another team, or someone from Downer's Grove or otherwise associated with Swenson.

Rival coaches said he was dogging it his senior year. Sources (as reliable as any you're relying on) say he passed on multiple opportunitues to work with Harbaugh's staff and be with other class of '16 players.

Why are you so adament that you know the real situation here? 

Albatross

January 27th, 2016 at 2:06 PM ^

That is usually the typical response to opinions that do not blindly support any action undertaken by the program. The issue never lies with a coach or a policy, the issue has to be with anyone pointing out the flaws.

Perhaps if I was young and naive or maybe not cursed with the capacity of critical thought, it would be easier to just accept actions that would appear counterproductive. I have read every piece of available information about Swenson (including Spath's piece) and then i sit back and think "what exactly makes sense". Not a hard exercise really, and when you look at it objectively and free of bias, you will be surprised at how easily you can come to some logical conclusions. Here is a little tip that might help you, replace Michigan with Ohio State and tell me what conclusions you came to.

You said that I am adamant about knowing the whole story, the only thing I am adamant about is the fact that a kid who was committed for two years didn't have his offer pulled until January. And the question is why? Nothing I have read from the Michigan side in anyway lessens their culpability.

So here are some questions that just pop into my head.

  1. If the staff had concerns about him as a player why did Harbaugh reoffer him a scholarship rather than parting ways when he took over?
  2. If his offer was contingent on him going to the Michigan camp, why wasn't it pulled when he didn't show?
  3. If his offer was contingent on his senior year performance, why wasn't it pulled in November?

It seems those were three pretty big milestone events that would have been used to part ways far more cleanly. Since the staff didn't, while presumably whispering to insiders that they might can him, gives credibility to the conclusion that Swenson was left to twist in the wind until January.

Weaver's case is even more baffling, because of how unnecessary it was to get his commitment so early. Weaver's case was a self-inflicted wound.  If the staff had waited before they jumped the gun on Weaver, you know like most college programs do with lower ranked guys, then there is no issue. You sign a guy you like more without having to go through the mess of pulling an offer. Seems pretty simply to me.

SWPro

January 27th, 2016 at 5:43 PM ^

In your opinion if #2 happened and he didn't go to the camp isn't the offer basically pulled?

 

If your professor says "if you don't take the final I will fail you" are you going to be shocked you don't get the failing grade until the end of the term?

 

I mean there is a pretty simple logic here.

 

1) Scholarship is contingent on X which is solely in control of the player.

2) Player doesn't do X.

3) Scholarship status?

 

For #1 do we know he was re-offered? Or did Harbaugh just give a blanket "we plan on honoring these scholarships assuming X is met?

 

"Nothing I have read from the Michigan side in anyway lessens their culpability."

 

That might be because the Michigan side isn't allowed to state their case about Swenson's specific situation.

6tyrone6

January 26th, 2016 at 5:17 PM ^

to come to a camp and he didn't, if that is the case they only thing the coaches did wrong is not telling him in that moment that they were not interested. I respect one thing in the recent ESPN article that if by doing this it becomes a problem with recruits JH will have to adjust. It seems like JH is dragging UM fans towards a NC while kicking and screaming about his tactics.

canzior

January 26th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^

The only stories we've heard are from de-committed players and their coaches.  We have no idea what was told to players and when.  Let him earn his paycheck, because he's earned the right to make those choices.  

Ultimately, there will never be a shortage of players who desire to play at Michigan, and if the national media continues to write bad articles...so be it.  Who are the most hated football teams in America? I'd bet the Patriots and Alabama..they seem to be doing ok despite the public vitriol.   

Salinger

January 26th, 2016 at 1:09 PM ^

I agree w/ you that pointing fingers at high school kids and their cohort is not the way to go. I think a better direction would be to come out and publicly say, Yes, we did have to decommit some players. The recruiting process is a continual evaluation process and that goes for every person we submit an offer to. We feel like some of these situations could have been handled better and we will refine our process to reflect that.

I don't get the idea, and this happens all the time in business and in other facets of life, of standing behind a bad decision when you can easily communicate that mistakes were made.

Own it! Tell them what happened without going into great detail, no dragging a kid's name through the mud, make changes to the process, and then let those changes show for themselves in the next recruiting cycle.

Blue_sophie

January 26th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

"Harbaugh is not garbage or trash like u guys are calling him. It his team and he knows what he is doing" - "And no shots were taken at Michigan. Just put in my letter what I was told."

As many others have mentioned on various threads, fans are the ones wringing our hands. For the most part the recruits (excluding Swenson) seem to have a clear understanding of their recruiting situation. And while they are understandably unhappy about how things turned out I don't see any allegations that Michigan's staff did anything unethical. 

Lakeyale13

January 26th, 2016 at 1:08 PM ^

First off, I don't hold Swenson or Weaver primarily to blame. That falls on Coach Harbaugh. Secondly, if you are a two / low three star and your only major offer is Michigan and they haven't been talking to you for months why have you waited this long to decommit!? I would compare it to dating. If I am the boyfriend of a hot chick way out of my league and she won't talk to me for months, even though she might have been the one to initiate the relationship, I am going to finally call her and ask her "what EXACTLY is going on?" If no good answer is given, I am leaving her. Weaver was treated like crap, but it sounds like he allowed himself to be ignored and treated poorly for months. Wish he would have picked up the phone and called the coaching staff a month and a half ago and asked what the deal is, or just decomitted after no contact for weeks.

PM

January 26th, 2016 at 7:06 PM ^

people who stayed in one sided relationships well beyond the point of self respect simply because they knew it was probably their best shot at landing a very attractive mate. It's easy to tell someone to show some self-respect but I can understand teenagers taking a rather myopic view of things. Hang on to your dreams and all that....

Everyone Murders

January 26th, 2016 at 10:50 AM ^

From the outside, this seems so uncomplicated.  (A) Be upfront with recruits, h.s. coaches, and recruits' families.  (B) Don't purposely mislead any recruit ever.  (C) If you accidentally mislead a recruit (e.g., because the situation has changed or miscommunication), respectfully but firmly put them straight as soon as possible.

Remember, Harbaugh & Co. are recruiting all year round, year after year.  They understand the ground rules and unspoken messages clearly.  Many recruits and their h.s. coaches are new to this, and will not pick up on what college staffs may recognize as obvious signs.  So be blunt when you have to.

It's the Golden Rule, and it ain't that complicated.

alum96

January 26th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^

I agree with the general thrust but really to simplify it act like every other coach in America who doesn't offer his plan Bs until late in the process.  I realize there is an exception or 2 annually but what they are doing with Pie Young is usually what every coach does with every guy they don't know if they will fit in the class.  You keep working the relationship, and when December/January comes around you have a lot better feel if you have a spot for them.

Yes that risks the loss of said player but he is plan B for a reason and should be a lot more easier mimicked by another player - i.e. Nate Johnson v Donald Stewart v Pie Young. 

Even Dwumfour apparently was at a satellite camp and we didnt offer.  In the end we got him even as he commited elsewhere.  In his case we only "gave" something.  We didn't "give and then take away" - so I am not sure why, other than wanting to show the world results from Summer Swarm - we did the opposite of Dwumfour with everyone else in these camps.

Ziff72

January 26th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^

Since it doesn't make sense to you maybe it's because the information coming out is heavily biased?   

Maybe the recruits story of "I had no idea" even though mulitple sites are reporting it months ago doesn't add up because it's made up?

Nope let's just assume our coach is an evil jackass ruining kids dreams because that's the way to build a program.  That's a logical approach for Harbaugh to take.  Actively piss off high school coaches by screwing their kids over.  Good plan Jim.

I'm waiting until signing day when I'm sure this will be brought up to get my opinions straight.

RoadKill

January 26th, 2016 at 12:22 PM ^

When he mentioned this being a pattern with Coach J going back to Stanford. It's pretty obvious that we're seeing his strategy play out, for better or worse. There's no denying that this is his m.o.

jg2112

January 26th, 2016 at 10:59 AM ^

It seems that Michigan fans have decided navel gazing and philosophizing are the ways to "get through this."

I suggest a different path. We don't know what is happening except for the incomplete stories of recruits who aren't going to Michigan, and recruiting analysts whose financial livelihoods depend upon creating click-able stories.

The better path is for fans to ignore recruiting until Signing Day. It is irrelevant until that point, and is mostly irrelevant after that point.

Think of all the time wasted worrying about Pearlie Graves, Shavodrick Beaver, Demar Dorsey, EJ Levenberry, and hundreds of others. Following recruiting is largely a waste of time.

901 P

January 26th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^

Irrespective of my opinion about Alum96's position (and possible remedies), I greatly appreciate an effort to explore this issue reasonably and calmly. I don't know a whole lot about recruiting, so posts like this are very informative. 

Ziff72

January 26th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^

Please explain how it was reported by multiple sources that these kids would not be in the class months ago?   These kids are all on social media and search themselves all the time. They were not blindsided less than a month before NSD.   It makes zero sense. 

grumbler

January 26th, 2016 at 5:39 PM ^

If Harbaugh is relying on social media hints to comunicate their status to his recruits, as you say here, then he's doin' it wrong.  It is laughable to suggest that his lack of honest candor can be excused because internet rumors.

Laser Wolf

January 26th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

This might be an issue that we never knew was an issue in the past, but the advent of social media gives the recruits an avenue to directly and immediately communicate with anyone following them. The disadvantage that Harbaugh has is that he can't comment on any of these stories until National Signing Day, and why would he do it even then? It's asking to get even more entangled in a he-said, he-said battle. Harbaugh needs to understand his very public persona is a lightning rod and these stories will immediately become national stories, whether it's fair or not. The recruiting landscape is already vastly different from when he left Stanford, so I'm hoping to chalk it up to a learning curve and he will be more transparent with recruits going forward now having known the PR implications if one of these things blows up in the future.

The Maizer

January 26th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

I think your point about it not making sense accepting less talented recruits in the summer when you know they will not be in the class is exactly why that is not what happened. I think it's probably that those offered during the "swarm" were thought to be good enough and then they maybe didn't reach what the staff thought their potential was. Either way, I agree that offers that are commitable should only go to those who will definitely be in the class if they want. I'm not so sure communication has not been clear from the beginning.

alum96

January 26th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^

There is no reason to rush to offer these sort of guys even if you believe they have talent.  You are competing with yourself with many of these guys - there was no army of guys for Weaver, Enis, Richardson, etc. 

So I don't get the logic of it - you see someone in person you like and you think is under-ranked but no one else of significance is pushing for them you sit and watch them develop their senior year and re-evalute if they get an offer December of that year.   I mean we were competing with directional schools for some of these guys - and others look to be ending up at Temple or Indiana. 

What was the rush - you had their junior year film that recruiting analysts had them at a low rank, you had your in person evluation, and you have no P5 top 15 schools pursuing them.  So you can sit and watch and then post senior year have that additional data of your in person meet.  If they blow up say by Oct of senior year offer then.  There is no rush in June.

jg2112

January 26th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^

Maybe the coaches "accepted their commitment" in as meaningless a manner as that signifies before a prospect signs the LOI. They aren't commits until they're signed.

A verbal commitment means nothing to either side. So long as everyone understands that, recruiting becomes a lot easier to follow for the fan.

grumbler

January 26th, 2016 at 5:43 PM ^

But clearly a verbal commitment on the part of the staff does mean something to the recruits, so your entire argument is based on a fallacy.

It's is simple:  don't accept commitments from Plan B guys until you have to.  Early acceptance carries all the pain and no gain. It is stupid.

FreddieMercuryHayes

January 26th, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^

Listening to Webb, Bacon, and what Brian wrote here, the problem with your arguement is that the staff seems to believe that accepting a commitment from one of these fliers is good for the prospect in the end.  Even if you're not sure you have room for them, letting themselves call themselves a UM committment gets them more attention and more offers from other schools in the end.  Look at Weaver.  After this hit, he got like 7 other offers that night.  Does that happen if he's just strung along all year by UM without accepting commitment? 

Everyone Murders

January 26th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^

I agree there may be value to the recruit being able to list himself as a Michigan commitment.  But I still think you need to be clear to these "Plan B / Wait-and-See" kids from the outset that when the music stops they may not have a chair.

And if you're clear about that, you seem to have an "uncommitable offer", and I'm fine with it - so long as the recruit and the school both understand the terms of engagement.

Opinion25

January 26th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^

If the recruits know from the beginning that their U-M commitment is an opportunity, and not for sure, then I think most people have no problem with it, IF they are told directly by at last December 1 that their commitment is at risk. 

The lateness and volume of late decommits creates a negative perception. Whether JH actually did something wrong or not, this negative perception can still be a problem in its own right. As alum96 and Brian's posts suggest, JH needs to figure this out going forward. 

FireJimDelaneyNow

January 26th, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

For the lower prospects this is a big win for them.  If they get a Michigan offer early, then other schools start to look at them and they move up the board and get better offers,  then they might without the exposure.  If they work hard and improve, they get even more top offers.  I see these, as great exposure for the kids that would not normally have schools outside their area look at them, let alone, this staff letting them know what they need to improve on going into their high school seasons.  Look at the offers these kids had before the satellite camp and after Michigan gave them an offer.  I think the only downside is we identify a great player for another school and we don't keep them.  Is it better for the kid not to have the exposure and have limited choices and then flip him from another lower school?

 

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEY TELL THESE KIDS, BUT AN EARLY NONCOMMITTABLE OFFER (it is a reservation request).  We give kids offers on visits and pull them before they get off the plane if they do something we don't like.

 

Much ado about nothing.  Move along...